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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 4:49:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

It was only done in the last 3 months of the war. Why? Probably because there wasnt any remaining significant bombing targets for all the planes and it was something for them to do. Prior to 45 the air mining campaign was mostly ineffective (according to the USSBS anyways) because the Japs were clearing the mines as fast as they were laid. Overall impact to the war effort: little more than nil.

The submarine service did at least 5 things that airborne mines cant do: 1) rescue pilots 2) transport UDTs / commandos 3) report shipping movements 4) transport supplies 5) report weather data on future landing targets. Probably a lot more than this but its 5am and its time for bed.

The impact of a torpedo against a ships hull is not the limit to the "effectiveness" of a submarine.


I found this to be illuminating: Link


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 9:07:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting link Iridium, details a lot of the problem the japanese had in supplying their empire in late war. Its a pity it doesnt include details of how many sorties the Allies spent on these missions.

Another reason for the late mining campaign, IMHO, is that as the empire contracted to the home islands, the submarines found it harder to be effective in the shallower waters.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 10:13:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read an excerpt from the US Strategic Bombing Survey (posted on this forum a few months ago) an interview with the Japanese admiral in command of all naval forces in the Java / Borneo area and later in the Tokyo area and according to him keeping the ports they wanted to keep open was no problem at all until the end of the war around Japan.

He explained rather matter of factly that they watched the mines being dropped and went out to clean them up.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 10:14:24 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/29/2008 4:56:07 AM   
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I read in an article, I think on Hyperwar, about the accuracy of many of the post war interrogations of both japanese and german commanders.

Many of their claims have been proven wrong or exaggerated depending on threats held against them for war crimes.

They make an interesting base to work from, but should be checked against other information.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/29/2008 7:07:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the RAND report on Operation Starvation
http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/2006/R1322.pdf
Here is the released Pentagon report (Declassed 2002)
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3XkenoPVnrIJ:https://www.afresearch.org/skins/rims/q_mod_be0e99f3-fc56-4ccb-8dfe-670c0822a153/q_act_downloadpaper/q_obj_a35064cc-af2e-4a35-9175-c5e5e1c22de1/display.aspx%3Frs%3Denginespage+operation+starvation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us
Both show a compelling argument of why you don't want B29's in range of the HI at any date
Around 1250000 tons of shipping sunk( that # does not included damaged) in 5 months for about the loss of only 15 B29's
About 13000 mines laid on the inner perimater of the home islands ..... more tonnage than was sunk by any other one factor during the previous years of the war
if anyone has any other references I would be interested in reading them :)




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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/29/2008 7:41:32 AM   
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Here is the RAND report on Operation Starvation
http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/2006/R1322.pdf
Here is the released Pentagon report (Declassed 2002)
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3XkenoPVnrIJ:https://www.afresearch.org/skins/rims/q_mod_be0e99f3-fc56-4ccb-8dfe-670c0822a153/q_act_downloadpaper/q_obj_a35064cc-af2e-4a35-9175-c5e5e1c22de1/display.aspx%3Frs%3Denginespage+operation+starvation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us
Both show a compelling argument of why you don't want B29's in range of the HI at any date
Around 1250000 tons of shipping sunk( that # does not included damaged) in 5 months for about the loss of only 15 B29's
About 13000 mines laid on the inner perimater of the home islands ..... more tonnage than was sunk by any other one factor during the previous years of the war
if anyone has any other references I would be interested in reading them :)



Which is EXACTLY what I said earlier:

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Prior to 45 the air mining campaign was mostly ineffective (according to the USSBS anyways) because the Japs were clearing the mines as fast as they were laid. Overall impact to the war effort: little more than nil.



And, since you seem to be forgetting the original purpose of this statement it was:


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ORIGINAL: herwin

The airborne mine offensive put paid to the Japanese merchant marine--it was much more effective than the submarine campaign. The game needs to model that.



Air dropped mines were NOT "much more effective than the submarine campaign".

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/30/2008 11:51:11 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/30/2008 1:43:39 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/30/2008 7:45:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've just re-read Capt. Eric Brown's "Wings of the Weird & Wonderful", and in the section about the carrier testing of the Sea Mosquito he recounts how he taught the pilots of 618 Sqn how to land arrester hook equipped Mosquito B IV on a carrier. He later found out that this was in preparation of Operation Highball which would have had Mosquitoes equipped with bouncing bombs attacking major IJN units in harbor. The bombs in question were developed by Barnes Wallis of Dambusters and Grand Slam fame. 27 modified Mossies sailed aboard HMS Striker from the Clyde on Oct. 31, 1945, after the pilots had done one landing each on HMS Rajah. The Japanese surrendered before the operation was launched.

Now I'm pretty sure that neither 618 Sqn nor those aircraft are included in AE stock, but what would be the best way to mod the weapons, as torpedos? or guided missiles?

The things were ball-shaped, and if I remember correctly, two were carried in tandem in the open bomb bay of the Mosquito. If you have watched the original "Dambusters" movie, there was a sequence actually showing a test where one of those bombs was dropped from a Mosquito and bounced across the waves.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/30/2008 8:46:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		In a similar vein to the Highball Mossies, 617 and 9 Sqn were (I believe) specifically asked for by the US in anticipation of more Tallboy raids on Japanese targets.  They would have been deployed some time before Tiger Force as a whole would have been ready for action.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/1/2009 9:13:42 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/1/2009 10:13:31 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/1/2009 10:39:56 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/1/2009 1:27:49 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/2/2009 9:27:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I can't imagine the Mosquito airframe handling arrested carrier landings for very long. How thoroughly did they test that idea?


Eric Brown says he was asked in September 1944 to test a B.IV fitted with an arrester hook but otherwise standard to clear this modification for arrested landings with a deceleration of 1.9 g. Apparently this worked well enough, although I can't imagine they expected extended operations seeing the type of target this was intended for.

What's really remarkable is that the pilots of 618 Sqn did their carrier qualification by landing a Mossie on a CVE!

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/2/2009 9:43:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: macbeth

In response to mikemike the dambuster squadrons used the Avro Lancaster.


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yes, but Mosquitos were used while testing the bombs, which is what his post said.


Operation High Ball used a miniaturized version of the Dambusters bomb (codenamed "Upkeep") which was ball-shaped instead of cylindrical and probably weighed a ton or less instead of almost three tons. It was designed by Barnes Wallis as well and operated on the same principle. The footage in the "Dambusters" movie was actually from an official "High Ball" test; footage from "Dambusters" tests may either have been unavailable, still classified (unlikely) or unsuitable for use in a feature film (because of bad quality).

Information about the bouncing bombs: http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/irmurray/bigbounc.asp#bounce

Short film showing "Highball" trials: http:///www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ohMEZ-d3I

Short film about "Upkeep" bombs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrN0iVJjLgU

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 8:52:50 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 9:07:05 AM   
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I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I was wondering how late war special materials shortages will affect japanese aircraft production and plane performance. according to a source late war production problems reduced the ability of ki-84 and ki-100 so as to give american pilots a noticeable bonus. perhaps a reverse allied zero bonus?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 12:22:15 PM   
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What is average sortie ratio per squadron in AE?

For example:
IRL bomber squadrons of 16 planes had usually 12 planes ready for action on a day if unit was involved in day to day operations.
For small strikes (CAS, interdiction, ...) Squadron used 3-6 planes.
If operation was conducted by Bomb Group (Say airfield strike) this accounted for 4x6 (24)planes on a mission.
Only when on special operation (like famous Wewak Raid or Bismarck Sea Battle) almost every available plane was used to number 36-48 per Bomb Group, but this generaly required few days of rest before action.

24 plane fighter squadrons have something like 16 planes operational of which 12 were used on planned operations.

This account for something like 75% serviceability and 50% sortie rate for a unit.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 4:36:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Barb

Just a question:

What is average sortie ratio per squadron in AE?

For example:
IRL bomber squadrons of 16 planes had usually 12 planes ready for action on a day if unit was involved in day to day operations.
For small strikes (CAS, interdiction, ...) Squadron used 3-6 planes.
If operation was conducted by Bomb Group (Say airfield strike) this accounted for 4x6 (24)planes on a mission.
Only when on special operation (like famous Wewak Raid or Bismarck Sea Battle) almost every available plane was used to number 36-48 per Bomb Group, but this generaly required few days of rest before action.

24 plane fighter squadrons have something like 16 planes operational of which 12 were used on planned operations.

This account for something like 75% serviceability and 50% sortie rate for a unit.


Well 2 things here separate and distinct from 1 another.

1) Early war, the allies threw everything they could find in the air without regard to "must send up 16 planes and 2 spares" as they did in late war.

2) In the game, YOU decide how many planes to send up. If you are a good commander and rotate your squadrons keeping them fully supplied with pilots and aircraft, well rested and repaired they should launch consistantly between 16 and 24 aircraft. If on the other hand you are like most WitP players and keep your squadrons on the line without regard to their morale, training, or numbers of serviceable aircraft, you will be lucky to get 3 planes in the air on a given day.

If your question is: does the game idiot-proof the allies and make them make smart decisions? Then the answer is no, it doesnt.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 5:31:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

If on the other hand you are like most WitP players and keep your squadrons on the line without regard to their morale, training, or numbers of serviceable aircraft, you will be lucky to get 3 planes in the air on a given day.


Ouch, ouch, ouch! Good job guys!

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 9:29:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

If on the other hand you are like most WitP players and keep your squadrons on the line without regard to their morale, training, or numbers of serviceable aircraft, you will be lucky to get 3 planes in the air on a given day.


Ouch, ouch, ouch! Good job guys!

Like the man said......no more "uber-CAP"...

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/3/2009 9:33:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The two things are not directly connected. Even if you have a full-strength, newly-established, balls-to-the-wall fighter squadron, there's still no uber-CAP.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/13/2009 3:09:46 AM   
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Elsewhere I am having trouble in convincing a modder that his data is possibly incorrect.

Can the following be confirmed, or questioned by those who have spent hours on updating AE?

Albacore,    sbe 1x.303F Browning & 2xVickers K TR
Avenger I/II replace Vickers K with Brownings
FM2 Wildcat,  4 x 50cal
Martlet V, is equivalent to F4F-4/FM1 not the FM2 .
A36A MUSTANG, not Apache, should have either 4 or 6x50cal, not 4x50cal & 4x30cal.
F4U-1 & Corsair I,  6 x 50cal
P26A,should be 2x30cal or 1x50cal & 1x30cal.
P43A,  sbe 4x50cal.
P400,  sbe 1x20mm, 2x50cal & 4x303
Kittyhawk I should be Kittyhawk 1A, only small numbers of KittyI and about 20x P40D made. Both RAAF & RNZAF used KittyIA with 6x50cal.
Sunderland III, replace 12.7mm Vickers with Brownings, maybe 2x303 Vickers K remain in S mount.
Vengenace,  most used in Burma/New Guinea had 4x50cal (This may be A31 against A35 but only 1 slot used)
Vildebeest,  1x 303Browning F & 1 x .303 Vickers K TR
Wellington IC should be replaced by IIIC, Unsure of what units were equipped with, they may have arrived in theatre with IC but upgraded to IIIC Looking further.??

Thanks


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/13/2009 1:40:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Searching for some confirmation

Elsewhere I am having trouble in convincing a modder that his data is possibly incorrect.

Can the following be confirmed, or questioned by those who have spent hours on updating AE?

Albacore,    sbe 1x.303F Browning & 2xVickers K TR
Avenger I/II replace Vickers K with Brownings
FM2 Wildcat,  4 x 50cal
Martlet V, is equivalent to F4F-4/FM1 not the FM2 .
A36A MUSTANG, not Apache, should have either 4 or 6x50cal, not 4x50cal & 4x30cal.
F4U-1 & Corsair I,  6 x 50cal
P26A,should be 2x30cal or 1x50cal & 1x30cal.
P43A,  sbe 4x50cal.
P400,  sbe 1x20mm, 2x50cal & 4x303
Kittyhawk I should be Kittyhawk 1A, only small numbers of KittyI and about 20x P40D made. Both RAAF & RNZAF used KittyIA with 6x50cal.
Sunderland III, replace 12.7mm Vickers with Brownings, maybe 2x303 Vickers K remain in S mount.
Vengenace,  most used in Burma/New Guinea had 4x50cal (This may be A31 against A35 but only 1 slot used)
Vildebeest,  1x 303Browning F & 1 x .303 Vickers K TR
Wellington IC should be replaced by IIIC, Unsure of what units were equipped with, they may have arrived in theatre with IC but upgraded to IIIC Looking further.??

Thanks



And this is in the AE thread why?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/13/2009 7:43:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I searched but could not find it. I know this is just pure fanboyism, but I was wondering if the P-47 models are further divided out. Specifically I was wondering of the -N model is included. Production should start probably Dec 1944. There were 1800 -N models produced with the bulk going to Pacific. This mod had "wet wings" and a range of 2000 NM. Also have a slightly better roll rate.

Sorry if this is rediculous to ask but was just wondering

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/13/2009 8:15:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Searching for some confirmation

Elsewhere I am having trouble in convincing a modder that his data is possibly incorrect.

Can the following be confirmed, or questioned by those who have spent hours on updating AE?

Albacore,    sbe 1x.303F Browning & 2xVickers K TR
Avenger I/II replace Vickers K with Brownings
FM2 Wildcat,  4 x 50cal
Martlet V, is equivalent to F4F-4/FM1 not the FM2 .
A36A MUSTANG, not Apache, should have either 4 or 6x50cal, not 4x50cal & 4x30cal.
F4U-1 & Corsair I,  6 x 50cal
P26A,should be 2x30cal or 1x50cal & 1x30cal.
P43A,  sbe 4x50cal.
P400,  sbe 1x20mm, 2x50cal & 4x303
Kittyhawk I should be Kittyhawk 1A, only small numbers of KittyI and about 20x P40D made. Both RAAF & RNZAF used KittyIA with 6x50cal.
Sunderland III, replace 12.7mm Vickers with Brownings, maybe 2x303 Vickers K remain in S mount.
Vengenace,  most used in Burma/New Guinea had 4x50cal (This may be A31 against A35 but only 1 slot used)
Vildebeest,  1x 303Browning F & 1 x .303 Vickers K TR
Wellington IC should be replaced by IIIC, Unsure of what units were equipped with, they may have arrived in theatre with IC but upgraded to IIIC Looking further.??

Thanks



And this is in the AE thread why?


I was hoping that someone might like to help. After all, many have provided information to help the AE team

Of course the AE thread is sacred and should never be stepped upon.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/13/2009 10:33:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vettim89

I searched but could not find it. I know this is just pure fanboyism, but I was wondering if the P-47 models are further divided out. Specifically I was wondering of the -N model is included. Production should start probably Dec 1944. There were 1800 -N models produced with the bulk going to Pacific. This mod had "wet wings" and a range of 2000 NM. Also have a slightly better roll rate.

Sorry if this is rediculous to ask but was just wondering


What's the saying? There's no stupid questions, only stupid answers?

Two versions of the -D, the -N, plus RAF Mk.I & II.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 1/14/2009 3:25:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: timtom

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

I searched but could not find it. I know this is just pure fanboyism, but I was wondering if the P-47 models are further divided out. Specifically I was wondering of the -N model is included. Production should start probably Dec 1944. There were 1800 -N models produced with the bulk going to Pacific. This mod had "wet wings" and a range of 2000 NM. Also have a slightly better roll rate.

Sorry if this is rediculous to ask but was just wondering


What's the saying? There's no stupid questions, only stupid answers?

Two versions of the -D, the -N, plus RAF Mk.I & II.


I will never ceased to be amazed at how many questions we have asked where the answer is: "Its in there". AE team you are awesome. We are not worthy!



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