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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/27/2009 4:18:17 PM   
AZKGungHo


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Status: offline 		I have to say that I disagree on the maps issue. The way you two have done the maps, putting text on them, arrows, etc. has been FANTASTIC!  It's really helped and many times all I did was read the maps and skim your text, the maps have it all!

HOpe to see more!


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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/27/2009 5:06:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I agree also, that the maps are as necessary as the narrative to telling the story. The statistics every 5 turns was an AWESOME idea! Truly, icing on the cake.
All this PLUS the epic battle!
I think this AAR has raised the bar considerably.
All "text only" AAR's will certainly pale by comparison.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/27/2009 5:11:59 PM   
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I hope germany can regroup and hold on !!!

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/27/2009 7:05:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing I continually have asked myself during this AAR is "how did they get 60+ turns out of this game". It's really amazing to me that even at this late stage, I'm still wondering how the game doesn't simply collapse each turn.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/30/2009 2:41:26 PM   
seille

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry for the delay guys.
Had a busy week and wasn´t able to post my new turn.
I´ll post the next tomorrow.


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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/31/2009 3:09:51 PM   
seille

 

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Status: offline 		Ok, here is finally my turn 55 starting with production.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/31/2009 3:16:18 PM   
seille

 

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Status: offline 		The northern fronts:

I´m on a good way to destroy both army groups.
The survivors of AG North are cutted off in Königsberg and will
be dead or prisoners very soon.
Warsaw is nearly helpless after i crushed the most of the defense line
behind the Bug. Now the way is free to roll south.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/31/2009 3:20:50 PM   
seille

 

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A german front is not longer existing. Mostly they run away
faster than i can follow....
I´m on my way to recapture the crimea and also Kharkov.

Funny: After many attacks at Maikop it was a small partisan unit that captured
the city at the start of the german turn.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/31/2009 3:22:37 PM   
seille

 

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Status: offline 		As you see on the pics i have a very strong air force now.
And not to forget a nice artillery support especially in the north.
Now i enjoy these bonus the germans had for years....

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/31/2009 5:15:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		This AAR thread really shows how good this game is.

just a few turns ago the germans where advancing with a strong army and now they are in full retreat.

well played by both sides.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 1/31/2009 9:57:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another forces overview which shows the definitive end is near for the German Army. The interesting fact here is to look at the Russian growth over the last 5 turns. It is practically non-existent except for a few divebombers and artillery pieces. Taking into account the fact that in the last turn the Russians suffered hardly any losses worth mentioning, this means that in turns 51 - 54 the Wehrmacht killed off nearly 5(!!) full turns of Soviet production.

Unfortunately, the Russians by now were able to hit back and despite suffering from a poorer kill ratio, they inflicted enough damage to mortally wound their enemy thereby winning the war in the East.

These last few rounds will determine if they can turn this into a total victory by capturing Bucharest.

For this race they now posses the following major production centers:

Moscow, Baku, Murmansk, Siberia and Siberia '43, together worth 125,000 production points

They also posess the following minor production centers:

Helsinki, Leningrad, Riga, Minsk, Maikop, together worth 25,000 production points for a grand total of 150,000 production points.

Germany has only two major (Warsaw and Bucharest) and 5 minor (Konigsberg, Ploesti, Kiev, Kharkov and Sevastopol) left, a mere 75,000 production points, with Konigsberg and Kharkov ready to fall and Warsaw in mortal danger, there will soon not be much left.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 9:07:21 AM   
seille

 

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Status: offline 		Indeed interesting George. Even i feel my forces stronger, the paper don´t lie.
I had bigger losses while my attacks in the north especially while crossing the Bug
and also in front of Stalingrad.
But i had also turns with reduced infantry production (while i had high losses in infantry)
to increase my strength in divebombers, mortars, tanks, trucks and artillery.

Overall it is a bloody work to drive the germans out of Russia.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 10:53:32 AM   
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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 1:00:38 PM   
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This turn sees the last great production effort of German industry. Losses are pretty heavy but that is to be expected as the Russians reduce the pockets they have created.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 1:01:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only good thing of the recent defeats is that soon I will be able to fit my overview into a single screenie





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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 1:08:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Ukrainian Front sees some action before Kharkov where 2 German Corps supported by the Luftwaffe throw back 3 Russian Armies that were investing the city.

Still the situation is very dangerous, with Kiev virtually undefended and the Red Air Force bound to show up soon here there is little time for rejoicing.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 1:36:47 PM   
seille

 

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The production boosted my infaantry a lot this time
especially since the losses are smaller than in previous turns.
The recaptured production center started to work at full capacity
so i can produce beside 500+ rifle III also a lot of mortars and trucks
for more mobility and punch.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 1:40:55 PM   
seille

 

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As expected i captured Königsberg.
German AG North is gone ompletely now.

Beside this i moved closer to Warsaw destroying/weakening
several german units. Used artillery and divebombers to soften up
the defense positions for next turn attacks already.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 1:46:07 PM   
seille

 

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Nothing serious happened.
My Stalingrad front tries to follow the germans on their way back...
Only the planes did some damage there.

My Kharkov attack group took the city.
Maikop was taken by partisans at the start of the german turn after i softened up
the city defense by several air and ground attacks. These garrison fought very well.

The Baku front is now close to the Kerch straight after a very fast advance.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 11:49:20 PM   
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There is not much too say in these last few turns. Production has dropped to pre-war levels and losses are still high. The good news is that unless they execute some kind of airborne assault, the enemy will never capture Bucharest in time to claim total victory.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 11:51:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Around Warsaw, the Wehrmacht gathers its last strength to execute some attacks. The Russian buildup in this area is of gigantic proportions.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/1/2009 11:54:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the Ukraine, AG South has completed its redeployment and starts slamming into the Russian 3rd Front in the Fifth Battle of Kharkov. The relative raw Russian recruits suffer terrible casualties at the hands of experienced German Kampfgruppen supported by a Luftwaffe enjoying complete air supremacy in the area.

The enemy manages to hang onto Kharkov by their fingernails.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/2/2009 7:37:47 AM   
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atmospheric move! :)

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/2/2009 10:16:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am sure Seille appreciates your determination to fight on to the last man.

Especially your counter-attack at Kharkov is commendable!

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/2/2009 10:29:54 AM   
seille

 

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Status: offline 		Yes, i like the fact that George give a good fight whatever happens.
We both had periods in the game where we thought about surrendering (at least me...)
but we continued.
I played several guy´s who surrendered too early in my eyes, but George didn´t.

The fight at Kharkov was a surprise. George evacuated AG South very fast and with still a
good strength. Powerful units while i had also a a lot of units, but mostly average (or less...)
quality. Infantry only with some horses and a few tanks. And i had no air power there.
George has a complete Army group with air support in this area i didn´t calculate to fight against

My next turn will come tomorrow.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/7/2009 3:29:10 PM   
seille

 

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Things are going well.

First the production:






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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/7/2009 3:33:41 PM   
seille

 

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Even the capture of Warsaw was planned for this turn i wasn´t able to take it after George
increased the defense a lot.
So i used my artillery and attack troops to crush this new defense ring. My forces took
6 hexes and crippled/destroyed several german units.
My forces are now close to Warsaw and the city is cutted off from the southern production.
I think there is nothing that can prevent me from taking the city next turn !




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/7/2009 3:42:13 PM   
seille

 

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Here things are less funny.

Baku Front:
The kerch straight is blocked by a very strong german guard in great defense positions.
Won´t be easy to break, but i now have some artillery and planes there for.

Kharkov:
I´m in trouble here. The regrouped AG South tries to recapture Kharkov. With my limited
strength in this area i can never fight against these german forces. Would be suicide...
However, i gave the order to hold the positions and not moving back whatever happens.
Why ?

Stalingrad front:
After beating the last germans in Rostov area these front has to move west and on their way
drive in the back of german AG south. If the germans try to fight for longer at Kharkov they will
come into a nutcracker.
In addition i moved bigger parts of my air force in range to Kharkov to help with massive
air attacks. And this time even Georges massive flak concentrations won´t help.....
We´ll see what the germans do here.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/7/2009 3:44:14 PM   
seille

 

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 2/9/2009 11:41:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Germany, Turn 58, August 5, 1944

As chimney stacks in the various Berlin ministries belched out black smoke from burning archives, the last manpower reserves of the Wehrmacht arrived in the Inferno called the Eastern Front and were consumed by the flames.

Warsaw was held but those still fighting in the bomb craters once called "houses" have little doubt as to the final outcome of the battle there.

Further to the South-East the Wehrmacht should have been withdrawing behind the Dniepr line and try and stop the Russian from capturing the vital crossings there. The commander of AG South however, had other plans...




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