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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/2/2009 2:59:26 PM   
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Shifting from disbanding to building, I noticed a number of official histories in our library that included the "Australia in the War of 1939 - 1945" voume entitled "THe Role of Science and Industry".  I was flipping through the pages when I noticed it contained the manufacturing/delivery information for Aussie Beauforts, Beaufighters, Wirraway and Boomerang aircraft listed below.  You probably already have the information but I added it below just in case:

Wirraway deliveries began in July 39 (2 per month) which reached 8 per month by the end of the year.  It varied between 5 and 11 aircraft per month until July 1940, when 16 Wirraways were built (out of a total of 83 to date).  The delivery rate climbed to 33 in October, 34 in November before dropping to 23 in December 1940 (total 204 built).   In 1941 delivery rates varied between 5 and 22 for the first six months (91 total manufactured) before reaching 26 in August, 36 in September, 45 in October, 37 in November and 42 in December 1941.  In 1942, Wirraway production was 25 in January, 22 in February, 29 in March, 26 in April, 18 in May and 9 in June 1942 - when deliveries ended. 

Boomerang deliveries began in August 1942 with one aircraft.  They "climbed" to 3 in September, 5 in October, dropping to 4 in November and climbing again to 11 in December 1942.  Boomerang deliveries in 1943 started at 3 in January, 13 in February, 21 in March, 18 in April, 16 in May, 10 in June, 4 in July, 22 in August, 14 in September, 7 in October, 9 in November and ended with eight machines delivered in December 1943 (for a cumulative total of 169).  In 1944, the Aussies built 4 Boomerangs in January, 5 in February, 6 in March, 12 in April, 5 in May and June, 6 in July, 5 in August, 2 in September, 4 in October, 5 in November, and 7 in December for 248 cumulative aircraft delivered.  Deliveries ended in January 1945 with a run of thirteen more Boomerangs.

Australian production/deliveries of Beauforts began in August 1941 and ended in August 1944 with a cumulative total of 700 aircraft delivered during that period.  During 1941, the monthly manufacturing totals hovered between 2 and 3 with a cumulative total of 10 aircraft delivered.  In 1942, deliveries picked up from single digits (Jan - March) to reach 12 in April, 16 in May, 20 in June, 13 in July, 17 in August, 24 in September, 29 in October, 25 in November, and 24 in December 1942 for a cumulative total of 208 aircraft.  Deliveries increased slightly during 1943, beginning with 19 Beauforts per month in January, 27 in February, 23 in March, 27 in April, 24 in May, 33 during June through August, 37 in September, 34 in October, 32 in November, and 29 in December for a cumulative total of 559 aircraft.  Deliveries in 1944 spanned January through August, with peak figures in Jan and Feb 44 (25 and 26), dropping to 17 in March, 11 in April, 20 in May, 15 in June and July, and 12 in August for a cumulative total of 700 aircraft.

Australian Beaufighter deliveries began in may 1944.  This took me aback as it seemed to me that the Aussies were "making them" before that date.  The official history notes on page 412 that "for several reasons the proposal to manufacture the Beaufighter was temporarily abandoned and not revived until November 1942."   
Beaufighter deliveries in May 1944 totaled one aircraft, with two more built in June, 8 in July, 13 in August, 20 in September, 23 in October, 27 in November, and 18 in December 1944 for a cumulative total of 112.  During 1945, the Aussies produced 28 in January, 26 in February, 28 in March, 30 in April, 29 in May, 31 in June, 26 in July, and 19 in August for a cumulative total of 329.


Mark - a belated thank you. Good data is always helpful and welcome :)

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/2/2009 4:38:26 PM   
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May I set 'restrictions' for Airgroups other than range?

i. e. Betties from Rabaul may attack at up to a range of 11, but not Port Moresby (range 9 or so) and any TF or whatever that sits there?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/2/2009 5:22:29 PM   
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Has the firebombing in the late game changed any?

Is it easier to achieve a firestorm?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/2/2009 10:02:44 PM   
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May I set 'restrictions' for Airgroups other than range?

i. e. Betties from Rabaul may attack at up to a range of 11, but not Port Moresby (range 9 or so) and any TF or whatever that sits there?


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/12/2009 9:59:02 AM   
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Does the splited units have their own name or will be A/B/C like in Witp or can be like in LCU's where they can start splitted under specific names and then when assembled loose that and split A/B/C?



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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/12/2009 10:01:48 AM   
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May I set 'restrictions' for Airgroups other than range?

i. e. Betties from Rabaul may attack at up to a range of 11, but not Port Moresby (range 9 or so) and any TF or whatever that sits there?


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Would a sector search limit an attack to that zone only? Let's say a Betty squadron have a sector search limit, it can still attack everywhere? even if so would there will be more chances attacking in their sector?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/12/2009 11:42:39 AM   
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Does the splited units have their own name or will be A/B/C like in Witp or can be like in LCU's where they can start splitted under specific names and then when assembled loose that and split A/B/C?



If you divide a unit (a division or a larger air unit) you get /A, /B, /C just like stock. Note many units start "broken down" (some even to companies) and if you dont re-form the parent these will remain as long as you want. After a few test runs through as the Japs I have determined that some of the Jap inf divs that are broken down to their battalions would work very well as garrison troops on the atolls (2 bns plus misc base forces). Generally the atolls arent big enough for a full regiment plus the additional base forces.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/12/2009 11:42:53 AM   
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May I set 'restrictions' for Airgroups other than range?

i. e. Betties from Rabaul may attack at up to a range of 11, but not Port Moresby (range 9 or so) and any TF or whatever that sits there?


No




Would a sector search limit an attack to that zone only? Let's say a Betty squadron have a sector search limit, it can still attack everywhere? even if so would there will be more chances attacking in their sector?


Yes, it will still have a 360 degree attack arc. That isnt settable.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/12/2009 11:45:41 AM   
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Okay but in first part of my question is if Air units can came split with their names instead of A/B/C and assembled like LCU's?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/12/2009 12:16:52 PM   
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Pre-split air units don't come with A/, B/, C/ etc. If you COMBINE them and then split them again, then you'll get A/, B/, etc...

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/13/2009 12:20:31 PM   
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Thanks T.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/14/2009 11:50:08 PM   
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U R very welcome. My curiosity about homegrown Aussie production grew after a game versus the Allied AI when there seemed to be too many RAAF Beauforts in mid-1942....

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/14/2009 11:58:17 PM   
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The problem is that with the Beaufort, and many other types, is that the modders get production right but make no adjustment for the large numbers sent to OTU's etc.

Therefore 100% of production is available for combat service.

If you try the ADF Serials website you could (manually) count the numbers by type which where issued to combat Sqns.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/15/2009 7:37:53 AM   
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The problem is that with the Beaufort, and many other types, is that the modders get production right but make no adjustment for the large numbers sent to OTU's etc.

Therefore 100% of production is available for combat service.

If you try the ADF Serials website you could (manually) count the numbers by type which where issued to combat Sqns.


And are you volunteering to do that for us Jeff??

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/15/2009 7:49:46 AM   
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The problem is that with the Beaufort, and many other types, is that the modders get production right but make no adjustment for the large numbers sent to OTU's etc.

Therefore 100% of production is available for combat service.

If you try the ADF Serials website you could (manually) count the numbers by type which where issued to combat Sqns.


And are you volunteering to do that for us Jeff??


Only if you hop in your sedan and drive over to Buna & back on that nice country road

I actually did this some years back for the P-40's in the RAAF (and didnt keep the data), someone else's turn

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/15/2009 11:34:09 AM   
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How are the changes in Carrier Air Groups that occur as time goes on handled in AE? Is there an explicit way of handling these, perhaps in the editor, or is it still hard-coded and linked to slots, or something different?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/16/2009 4:33:19 PM   
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I have a question on carrier loadouts.  In WitP the 10 sorties per plane seems to allow carriers to stay on station forever without returning to port.  Since they get 10 sorties for fighter also and CAP does not count as a sortie.  I understand there will be limits to the number of torpedos, will the number of non torpedo sorties be more limited than WitP?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 1:38:19 PM   
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How are the changes in Carrier Air Groups that occur as time goes on handled in AE? Is there an explicit way of handling these, perhaps in the editor, or is it still hard-coded and linked to slots, or something different?



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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 1:40:57 PM   
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How are the changes in Carrier Air Groups that occur as time goes on handled in AE? Is there an explicit way of handling these, perhaps in the editor, or is it still hard-coded and linked to slots, or something different?




I don't understand your question, could you please clarify?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 1:54:33 PM   
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Sure.

Each carrier begins with a certain air group, but as time goes on this morphs into a different mix of aircraft - the maximum sizes of each squadron changes. This was hard-coded in WitP, has this changed in AE?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 2:00:38 PM   
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Sure.

Each carrier begins with a certain air group, but as time goes on this morphs into a different mix of aircraft - the maximum sizes of each squadron changes. This was hard-coded in WitP, has this changed in AE?

Steve.


Yeah, it's different. Take a pre-war USN carrier (1 each of VF/VS/VB/VT). All four squadrons use the new re-sizing system in the editor to change their sizes at pre-defined dates through the game (scenario creator can set this, as with all air groups).

The VS squadrons are set to be deleted at a given date and come back as VBFs (same way as other air groups withdraw).

Nothing is hard-coded with this.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 2:14:45 PM   
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Excellent! Thanks for the reply, Terminus.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 3:30:11 PM   
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Do the VBF sq appear at SF? If so, an AFB better be paying attention as he could find his VS sq gone with no VBF near by to replace them

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 3:40:38 PM   
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The VBF's didn't appear until 45.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 5:40:33 PM   
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Do the VBF sq appear at SF? If so, an AFB better be paying attention as he could find his VS sq gone with no VBF near by to replace them


They appear on their carriers.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 8:26:21 PM   
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Well what about VF(N) and VT(N) for Big E (She served as Night carrier in 1944 and 1945)
How this is handled?


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/23/2009 8:31:17 PM   
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It isn't. The USN carrier air groups switched around so often and so much, we had to put a stop somewhere. Otherwise we'd still be doing OOB revisions today...

So, no night-specialized carrier air units in the master scenario, although I'll probably put them into the Downfall scenario.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/24/2009 7:54:30 AM   
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Well, then 1-2 Night groups could arrive independently of the carriers, and replaced manually, giving original Air groups Rest.
As is my knowlidge Big E, Independence and maybe one more carrier was designated for night ops.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/24/2009 8:00:03 AM   
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Well, then 1-2 Night groups could arrive independently of the carriers, and replaced manually, giving original Air groups Rest.
As is my knowlidge Big E, Independence and maybe one more carrier was designated for night ops.



IIRC, the Saratoga and Big E formed a team for night fighting late in the war.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 4/24/2009 8:10:06 AM   
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Well then it was Big E, Sara and Independance


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