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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 5:29:16 PM   
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we will see.. so far I´ve attacked only every second day as fatigued Japanese bombers are even more crappy than they are usual. Now I´ve decided to fly a couple of back to back attacks, perhaps this will be enough to sink the bastard... I know that I´m thinking wrong but damaging ships gives me nothing, I´m always up to sink them...

A ship for 6 month in a repair shipyard is the same like haveing it sunk for 6 months. It may be better to have them sunk forever, but some month away from the front is also worth something, no?

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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 5:39:28 PM   
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Ships can't be resolved in witp despite this happend dozend times in the war.
So why complain if a small number of ships survive intensive bombardements in a big harbour? Even if it isn't sunk, it'll be off the front for months...




i guess I don´t have to tell you how a CA would look like after five torp hits and 30+ penetrating 250kg bomb hits... there wouldn´t be much left that you could repair... after such hits, a CA would only be 98 independent pieces of scrap metal...

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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 5:44:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		sure, but a BB that sinks in shallow water after two torpedo hits can be resolved - but not in witp.
So its just fair and definitly no cause to complain.


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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 5:49:00 PM   
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sure, but a BB that sinks in shallow water after two torpedo hits can be resolved - but not in witp.
So its just fair and definitly no cause to complain.




your talking about something completely different my friend... completely

if a CA can sustain such a damage (you´ve followed how often it was hit?) in port then I wonder how good the damage routine works... there would be nothing left of this CA.

And I have yet to see a BB sink in port anyway after taking two torps. Only happens if it blows up and if a BB blows up then you can also not resolve it.

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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 6:18:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess you know what I mean, it was a metaphor, nothing else...
Parts of ships were solved, have you ever used a turret of a sunken ship on land? Have you ever expanded a repair shipyard as allied player?
Did the Allies ever have an agreement with the Japanese not to bomb ressources and oil wells outside Japan?
Did the Japs ever agree not to bomb China strategically? Is it realistic that a B-29 starting from Chunking to Tokyo flies over 30 airfields filled with Japanese Fighters and isn't intercepted exepct by the fighters at Tokyo (+1-2 hex)?
Was there ever an agreement of both sides not to use more than just 5-6 big carriers together (= in one hex)?
Is it realistic that my US subs off Formosa get sunk with a rate of about 2-3 per day by bigbabas DBs and LBs doing ASW - and still don't stay submerged at daylight - which would make them immune as the japs didn't have adequate radar for night attacks?
etc. etc.

It's a game and both sides are free to agree to HRs. So why whining about things you can't change? Accept them as they are, both sides can use much of them, both sides have "unfair" advantages the other side doesn't have. No need to cry - it still makes fun and it's still just a game...


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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 8:22:22 PM   
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I guess you know what I mean, it was a metaphor, nothing else...
Parts of ships were solved, have you ever used a turret of a sunken ship on land? Have you ever expanded a repair shipyard as allied player?
Did the Allies ever have an agreement with the Japanese not to bomb ressources and oil wells outside Japan?
Did the Japs ever agree not to bomb China strategically? Is it realistic that a B-29 starting from Chunking to Tokyo flies over 30 airfields filled with Japanese Fighters and isn't intercepted exepct by the fighters at Tokyo (+1-2 hex)?
Was there ever an agreement of both sides not to use more than just 5-6 big carriers together (= in one hex)?
Is it realistic that my US subs off Formosa get sunk with a rate of about 2-3 per day by bigbabas DBs and LBs doing ASW - and still don't stay submerged at daylight - which would make them immune as the japs didn't have adequate radar for night attacks?
etc. etc.

It's a game and both sides are free to agree to HRs. So why whining about things you can't change? Accept them as they are, both sides can use much of them, both sides have "unfair" advantages the other side doesn't have. No need to cry - it still makes fun and it's still just a game...


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I don´t feel provoked.

That´s the problem with the game. There are many things that you mention that you can adress with a hr, guess that´s not possible with everything. A ship not sinking even though it was hit by 4 dozen heavy bombs and 5 torps is something I would call a broken routine. And I wouldn´t suggest a hr that says "as soon as a CA is hit by a dozen bombs you should scuttle it". That´s hardly possible and that´s also not something I would want to have.

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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 8:52:16 PM   
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RE: it goes on... - 5/26/2009 8:54:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah Moriaty, stop that negative waves, you're winning!
What will you start writing when you get pummled?


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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 12:24:52 AM   
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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 7:04:25 AM   
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Yeah Moriaty, stop that negative waves, you're winning!
What will you start writing when you get pummled?




I am NOT winning... you must misunderstand something...

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 7:04:49 AM   
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There will be red type under EVERY battle then



I´ve thought you would like my comments...

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 8:09:44 AM   
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ASW attack near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
SS RO-64, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Nestor
DD Griffin
DD Foxhound
DD Van Galen
DD Arunta
DD Perkins

dejavus...

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ASW attack near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
SS RO-64, hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Nestor
DD Griffin
DD Foxhound

ouch, this time the DDs actually hit my sub... heading for Rabaul with 55 flt damage... a day without mine hits (3000+ mines resulted in two mine hits during the invasion and that´s it) and no sub attacks... another succesful resupply mission of the Allied...

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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 48
Ki-49 Helen x 206
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 16 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Suffolk, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet

another five hits on the heavy cruiser (one was a non penetrating belt hit) and guess what, the cruiser was reported sunk at the end of the turn. Didn´t exactly count the total non penetrating belt hits but all in all, the cruiser took five Type 91 torp hits and another three dozen 250kg bomb hits until it finally succumbed. No idea how much of the hits were either FOW of have been very unlucky die rolls, this goes especially for the torps.

I was in the process of flying in another 3 sentais of Helens to Madras to attack the cruiser, they already arrived at Rangoon. I will move out most of the bombers now again... every month that passes sees India becoming more and more safe as my forts are growing as well as my troop strenght. India is an important area for me as there are a lot of resources and also hundreds of HI. Without a major amphib operation Miller can´t do anything on the subcontinent and I´m not sure if such an operation is worth it as it would take a hell a lot of time and material. I guess the Indian front won´t be getting rolling within the next 6-12 months. By then (12 months) I expect the Russian campaign to be over and lots of divisions will garrison the coast from Hong Kong to Bombay. From the actual point of view it will get really hard for the Allied to get a foothold on the continent and to make progress there. IMO, the only real possibility for Miller is an island hopping campaign or the move up through New Guinea trying to get into the SRA.

This time Suffolk really is sunk...




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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
J1N1-S Irving x 27
A6M3a Zero x 74
B5N Kate x 8
G3M Nell x 36
G4M1 Betty x 53
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 292
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 189
Port hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 18
Beaufighter VIC x 7
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 13


No Allied losses

Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Wallis Island , at 93,107


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 28
Wellington III x 72
Liberator VI x 69


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
Liberator VI: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chita , at 62,15


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 12


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 12000 feet

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Day Air attack on 6th Mongolian Cavalry Division, at 55,12


Allied aircraft
Yak-9D x 9
IL-2 Shturmovik x 62


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet

deliberate attack of the two Mongolian Cav divs tomorrow...

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 62
TBF Avenger x 15
Avenger I x 19
PBY Catalina x 1
Kittyhawk I x 15


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 7
B-25J Mitchell x 62


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 49

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet

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Ground combat at Borzya

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 228320 troops, 1785 guns, 3276 vehicles, Assault Value = 4789

Defending force 77592 troops, 605 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 1365

Japanese max assault: 4337 - adjusted assault: 3396

Allied max defense: 1265 - adjusted defense: 1244

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5


Japanese ground losses:
5139 casualties reported
Guns lost 164
Vehicles lost 57

Allied ground losses:
2402 casualties reported
Guns lost 63
Vehicles lost 3

we´re really making progress here. Not far from a 3:1 and acceptable losses within our attacking divisions. Another two deliberate attacks should do the trick, if we get some bad die rolls, then probably a third attack is needed.

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Ground combat at 67,32

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22459 troops, 256 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 481

Defending force 5641 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 108


Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 12


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15866 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1828

Defending force 282992 troops, 1449 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 6747



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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22653 troops, 268 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2444

Defending force 166578 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4823



Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8286 troops, 282 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4182

Defending force 154204 troops, 1099 guns, 425 vehicles, Assault Value = 3104



Allied ground losses:
309 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Karachi

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 100332 troops, 821 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 2701

Defending force 79650 troops, 712 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1574


Japanese ground losses:
412 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1





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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 8:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reported sunk by a torpedo ?  I always thought it indicated the last weapon that hit, so if I'm right, all your bombhits since you start your attacks were FOW...

Do you plan to post a map of Russia soon ?  You said at the start of the hostilities that Miller was moving his forces north from Vladivostock, where are they now ?  Will you be able to cut their retreat ?

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 8:41:58 AM   
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Reported sunk by a torpedo ? I always thought it indicated the last weapon that hit, so if I'm right, all your bombhits since you start your attacks were FOW...

My experience is, it shows the most important hit - or maybe the first.

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 8:45:58 AM   
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
J1N1-S Irving x 27
A6M3a Zero x 81
B5N Kate x 8
G3M Nell x 35
G4M1 Betty x 52
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 292
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 193
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 48
PBY Catalina x 3
Kittyhawk I x 12


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x F4F-4 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 18
Beaufighter VIC x 11


No Allied losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chita , at 62,15


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 13


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 12000 feet

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Day Air attack on 8th Mongolian Cavalry Division, at 54,11


Allied aircraft
Yak-9D x 8
IL-2 Shturmovik x 62


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 61
TBF Avenger x 15
Avenger I x 22
PBY Catalina x 1
Kittyhawk I x 14


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 36

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 10
Beaufighter VIC x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-25J Mitchell x 64
B-26B Marauder x 45


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 93

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet

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Ground combat at Borzya

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12803 troops, 361 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5035

Defending force 74180 troops, 503 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1261



Allied ground losses:
388 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

another of my divisions arrived at Borzya, the enemy´s av isn´t looking that good anymore... my troops are already drinking sake on victory parties...

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Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 90793 troops, 1051 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 1942

Defending force 74561 troops, 691 guns, 342 vehicles, Assault Value = 1184



Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported

moved some divs to Blagoveshchensk to block any attempts of the Russian in the central area to try to move North...

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15865 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1828

Defending force 282487 troops, 1455 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 6738



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Ground combat at Ulan Bator

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8292 troops, 67 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 172

Defending force 3538 troops, 18 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Japanese max assault: 51 - adjusted assault: 29

Allied max defense: 26 - adjusted defense: 12

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2


Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
211 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

wow, the air to ground attacks really wrecked my av. The two Mongolian Cav divs should have an assault value of 180 together. But the two Russian base forces don´t have that a good av either... We should be able to take the base...

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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22682 troops, 267 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2446

Defending force 166480 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4825



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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8280 troops, 283 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4196

Defending force 153749 troops, 1104 guns, 423 vehicles, Assault Value = 3096



Allied ground losses:
254 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Karachi

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 100336 troops, 821 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 2704

Defending force 79109 troops, 691 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1559


Japanese ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Guns lost 3



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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 4:48:27 PM   
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Reported sunk by a torpedo ?  I always thought it indicated the last weapon that hit, so if I'm right, all your bombhits since you start your attacks were FOW...

Do you plan to post a map of Russia soon ?  You said at the start of the hostilities that Miller was moving his forces north from Vladivostock, where are they now ?  Will you be able to cut their retreat ?



there wer several loooong discussion on the forum and I usually got shouted down because I´ve always said that this "routine" is borked also because it doesn´t show the first weapon that hit and also not the most important. I´ve once "sunk" a CL with a 60kg GP bomb (at least that´s what the sunk ship list said). The 60kg GP bomb was one of the bombs that did hit the CL (scored by a Jake) but it was sunk by torpedos. Aerial dropped torpedos as the bomb didn´t even penetrate.

It´s only correct if there is just one weapon that hit the ship. As soon as there are several, it´s just a lucky moment of the game if it picks the right one. In any case it´s not the first one and not the most important one.

I will take a screenshot of the map if I don´t forget it as soon as I come home as I´m still in the office. Miller evacced Vladivostok (mistake IMO) and ran a good dozen troops North. Most of them are now defending Borzya (mistake IMO as this is a clear hex). 1000 av are sitting at Blagoveshchensk and another two dozen units spread out furhter South in two bases. IMO the best locations to defend are the river crossings and all those mountaineous hexes of which there are a lot of them. It´s more than hard to keep the road to Irkutsk open but it´s not that hard to defend the central parts as you can fall back to a lot of fortified positions and I don´t have to tell you anyway how hard it is to force 1500 av out of a mountain hex.

In any case, 80% (rough guess) of the Russian av is cut off from Irkutsk anyway, so yes, I was able to cut them off.

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 4:55:28 PM   
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H. M. S. C A L E D O N



“CALEDON” Class cruiser ordered from Cammell Laird at Birkenhead on 8th December 1915 under an Emergency War Programme. She was laid down on 17th March 1916 and Yard No 828 and launched on 25th November 1916 as the 2nd RN warship to carry the name, first used in 1810 for the captured French HENRI. Build was completed on 7th March 1917 and during service in the Grand Fleet this cruiser was in action against German warships in Heligoland Bight. Before going into Reserve in 1931 she served in the Mediterranean. After being brought forward for the Royal Review of the Reserve Fleet she remained in commission throughout WW2.



B a t t l e H o n o u r s



MEDITERRANEAN 1940 - SOUTH FRANCE 1944 - AEGEAN 1944



H e r a l d i c D a t a

Badge: On a Field Black, An am in amour holding a a sword all Proper.



Motto

In utrumaque parata: ‘Ready for anything’



S u m m a r y o f P r e – W a r S e r v i c e



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February Contractors trials and commissioning.



March

7th Accepted into service with Grand Fleet.



April Completion of trials and prepared for operational service.



May Deployed with Grand Fleet in lst Light Cruiser Squadron at Scapa Flow.

to Became Squadron Flagship.

October



November

17th Took part in action against German warships in Heligoland Bight and hit by

a 12” shell.



December Grand Fleet deployment in continuation.



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January Grand Fleet duties at Scapa Flow in continuation.

to

October



November

21st German Fleet surrendered and interned at Scapa Flow under Home Fleet custody.



December Nominated for service in Baltic Sea for operations against Communist forces.





1 9 1 9



January Grand Fleet duties in continuation.

to Deployed in Baltic Sea in support of shore operations against Bolshevik forces.

March Blockade of Soviet Fleet based in Baltic Sea was also maintained



April Joined Atlantic Fleet as Flagship of 2nd Light Cruiser Squadron.



May Deployed in Hone waters with Squadron.

to

December



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Atlantic Fleet deployment with Squadron in continuation.



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January Atlantic Fleet deployment in continuation.

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July



August Relieved as Flagship of 2nd Cruiser Squadron by HM Cruiser CURACOA.

26th Re-commissioned at Chatham for further service in Atlantic Fleet.



September Rejoined 2nd Light Cruiser Squadron.



October Atlantic Fleet deployment in continuation.

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December



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January Deployed in Home waters including patrol and support in Irish Sea and Atlantic

to during military operations against Irish insurgents.

June



July Nominated for detached service in Mediterranean.



August Deployed in eastern Mediterranean for protection of British interests during the conflict

to between Turkey and Greece.

November



December Returned to UK to rejoin Atlantic Fleet.



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January Deployed in Baltic at Memel during attempt by rebel forces to occupy city



February During detached service involved in collision with Pilot Vessel NEUMARK I at

the port of Cuxhaven, Germany



March On return from Baltic service resumed Atlantic Fleet duties



April Atlantic Fleet deployment in continuation.

to

December



1 9 2 4



Atlantic Fleet deployment in Home waters in continuation.

Paid off.



1 9 2 5



January

6th Re-commissioned for further service in 2nd Light cruiser Squadron. Atlantic Fleet.



February Atlantic Fleet deployment with Squadron in continuation.

to

December



1 9 2 6



January Atlantic Fleet deployment in continuation.

to

July



August

17th Paid-Off and taken in hand for refit at Chatham, under refit.



September Under refit

to

December



1 9 2 7



January Under refit

to

June



July Post refit trials.



August Nominated for service in 3rd Cruiser Squadron, Mediterranean Fleet.



September

5th Re-commissioned for service at Chatham.



October On completion of sea trials and preparation for foreign service took passage to Malta to

join Squadron.



November Deployed in Mediterranean with Squadron.

to

December



1 9 2 8



January

29th Sustained major damage to forward structure in collision with the Italian ship ANTARES in

Doro Channel, Aegean Sea.



February Under temporary repair by HM Dockyard, Malta to enable safe passage to UK.

to

March



April Passage to UK

to Paid off into Dockyard control at Devonport.

December Taken in hand for repair by HM Dockyard Devonport.



1 9 2 9



January

15th Re-commissioned at Devonport for further service 3rd Cruiser Squadron.



February On completion of trials and preparation for service took passage to join Squadron

in Malta.



March Deployed with Squadron in Mediterranean.

to

July



August

8th Relieved in Squadron by HM Cruiser CURLEW.



September Passage to UK for refit.



October Under refit at Devonport.

to

December



1 9 3 0



January Under refit

to

May



June Post refit trials



July Deployed in Home waters and prepared to resume service in 3rd Cruiser Squadron.



August Passage to Malta to rejoin Mediterranean Fleet.



September Deployed with Squadron in Mediterranean.

to

December



1 9 3 1



January Mediterranean Fleet deployment with Squadron in continuation.

to

June



July Relieved in Squadron by HM Cruiser COLOMBO.

Nominated for reduction to Reserve and took passage to Devonport.

31st Re-commissioned for service in Reserve Fleet for training use.



August Deployed at Devonport.

to

December



1 9 3 2



January Reserve training deployment in continuation at Devonport.

to

November



December Deployed as Senior Officer's ship, Reserve Fleet Devonport.



1 9 3 3



Senior Officer Fleet Devonport service in continuation.



1 9 3 4



January Senior Officer Reserve Fleet Devonport deployment in continuation.

to

November



December Deployed for carrying Army personnel to Malta.



1 9 3 5



January Resumed duty as Senior Officer Reserve Fleet, Devonport.



February Deployed at Devonport.

to

December



1 9 3 6



January Devonport duty as Senior Officer, Reserve Fleet in continuation.

to

September



October

23rd Relieved as Senior Officer's ship, Reserve Fleet Devonport by HM Cruiser COLOMBO.



November Retained in Reserve at Devonport.

to

December



1 9 3 7



Devonport Reserve Fleet service in continuation.

Nominated for refit at Chatham.



1 9 3 8



January Devonport Reserve Fleet service in continuation.

to

June



July

11th Passage to Chatham under tow for refit.



August Under refit by HM Dockyard, Chatham.

to

December



1 9 3 9



January Under refit

to

May



June On completion of refit relieved HM Cruiser CALCUTTA in Reserve Fleet at Chatham

as Senior Officer’s ship.



July Brought forward with complement of Reservists for attendance at Review of Reserve Fleet at

Weymouth by HM King George VI.



August

9th Present at Royal Review.

Remained in commission and war station allocated.

On completion of storing and with complement for operational use took passage to Scapa Flow



September Deployed with 7th Cruiser Squadron at Scapa Flow.

5th Sailed to carry out Northern Patrol for interception of German shipping attempting return

German ports and to maintain contraband control.

(For details of Northern Patrol see THE BLCCKADERS by Hastings).



October Transferred to 11th Cruiser Squadron and continued Northern Patrol duties.

15th Sustained weather damage to upper deck equipment during patrol.

23rd Established patrol line in Faeroes-Iceland Passage with HM Cruisers CARDIFF and HM

Cruiser COLOMBO to intercept SCHARNHORST and GNEISENAU after sinking of

RAWALPINDI (For details see ENGAGE THE ENEMY MORE CLOSELY by C Barnett and

Naval Staff History.)

30th Passage to Tyre for repair.



December Nominated for service in the Mediterranean.

(Note: Experience since outbreak of war had shown this Class of cruiser was unsuitable for use

in North Atlantic,)

1st Under repair in Tyne shipyard.

19th On completion transferred to 3rd Cruiser Squadron,

21st Passage to Gibraltar from Plymouth.

28th Joined Squadron at Malta for contraband control and patrol duty.



1940



January Based at Alexandria and deployed on contraband control patrol duty in eastern Mediterranean.



February Mediterranean patrol duties in continuation.

to

May



June

11th After Italy entered war deployed with HM Battleships WARSPITE and MALAYA, HM

Aircraft Carrier EAGLE, HM Cruisers ORION, NEPTUNE, SYDNEY (RAN), LIVERPOOL,

GLOUCESTER and CALYPSO with a screen of nine Fleet destroyers for an offensive patrol

south of Crete to intercept Italian convoys to Libya.

12th Rescued survivors from HM Cruiser CALYPSO with HM Destroyer DAINTY after sinking by

Italian submarine BAGNOLINI.

Carried out bombardment of Tobruk with other ships.

14th Returned to Alexandria.

26th Joined HM Cruiser CAPETOWN, HM destroyer GARLAND, H M Australian Destroyer VAMPIRE escort for convoy to Dardanelles.

30th Returned to Alexandria with inward convoy.



July

11th Escorted convoy to Greece with HMS CAPETOWN.

30th Declared unsuitable use in Mediterranean because of the low speed and lack of AA armament in this Class of cruiser.



August

10th Transferred for duty with East Indies Squadron in Indian Ocean and Red Sea.

15th Joined HM Cruisers HOBART, CERES and CARLISLE, HM Destroyers KANDAHAR.

KIMBERLEY, HM Sloops SHOREHAM, PARRAMATTA (RAN) and AUCKLAND with

three Armed Merchant Cruisers and a hospital ship for evacuation of Berbera.

A total of over 7,000 troops and civilians were taken to Aden.

Provided naval gunfire support against shore batteries during operation.



September Deployed for convoy defence and patrol in Indian Ocean and Red Sea based at Aden.

to December



1 9 4 1



January Convoy defence and patrol in continuation.

to

February



March

16th Deployed with HM Cruiser GLASGOW, HM Destroyers KANDAHAR and KIPLING,

two Armed Merchant Cruisers and HM Motor Launch 109 to support landings by Indian

troops at Berbera from HM Boarding Ships CHAKDINA and CHANTALA

(Operation APPEARANCE).



April In action with HMS GLASGOW against four Italian destroyers in Red Sea.

Proposal by Prime Minister to use as blockship with HM Battleship BAHRAM during

planned operation at Tripoli turned down by CinC Mediterranean



May Indian Ocean trade defence in continuation.

to

August



September Under refit at Colombo.

to

October



November Resumed trade defence duties in Indian Ocean with East Indies Squadron ships.

to December







HMS Caledon passing destroyer HMS Echo





1 9 4 2



January Indian Ocean escort and patrol In continuation.

to

February



March

1st Detached to cover minelay by HM Auxiliary Minelayer TEVIOT BANK off Arakan with

HM Corvette ASTER.

26th Joined 5th Cruiser Squadron, Eastern Fleet based at Trincomalee.

31st Allocated to Force B with HM Battleships RAMILLIES, ROYAL SOVEREIGN and

REVENGE, HM aircraft Carrier HERMES, HM Cruiser DRAGON, Dutch cruiser

VAN HEEMSKERK and eight destroyers.

Deployed in support of Force "A" during search for Japanese Force reported on passage to

Ceylon.

(For details see WAR WITH JAPAN (HMSO, 2002) and OPERATION PACIFIC by E

Gray)



April

4th Supported Force "A" during further sweep for Japanese warships.

(For details see above references).

9th Transferred to new base at Kilindini for trade defence with Force "B" ships.

(Note: Ships of Eastern Fleet had moved to East Africa because of Japanese air threat.)



May Deployed on trade defence and interception patrol in Indian Ocean.

to Nominated for conversion to Anti-Aircraft Cruiser.

June



July Passage to UK.



August Paid off into Dockyard Control prior to refit.



September Awaiting refit at Chatham.

14th Taken in hand for refit and conversion.

(Note: Aircraft warning radar Type 279, surface warning radar Type 272 and fire-control

radars Type 285 and Type 282 to be fitted.

For details of development and use of radar by RN see RADAR AT SEA by D Howse)



October Under refit.

to

December



1 9 4 3



January Under refit

to Nominated for service in Mediterranean

October



November Harbour trials and re-commissioned.

Carried out sea trials



December

7th On completion prepared for foreign service.





1 9 4 4



January Passage to Scapa Flow to work-up with ships of Home Fleet.



February On completion of work-up took passage to Mediterranean.



March Joined Fleet at Alexandria.

24th Escorted military convoy to Salerno from Alexandria with H M Cruiser FROBISHER and four

HUNT Class Escort Destroyers.



April

Deployed for convoy escort in Mediterranean.



May

9th Joined US Navy Task Group west of Gibraltar for escort of Convoy UGS40 into Mediterranean.

11th Under attack by 62 Ju88 aircraft off Cape Bengut and shot down ten of them.



June Convoy defence in continuation based at Malta.



July Nominated for duty under overall US Navy Command for support of landings In South of

France (Operation DRAGOON).



August Took part in preparatory exercises for DRAGOON.

15th Part of Task Group 88.2 providing AA cover for Escort Carriers with HM Cruiser COLOMBO

during landings in south of France.

For details see LANDINGS IN SOUTH FRANCE (HMSO)



September Resumed control by CinC Mediterranean and deployed for convoy defence.



October Transferred to Aegean area to support reoccupation of islands.



November Deployed for support of shore operations and AA defence duties in Aegean.



December Deployed in support of military operations on Greek mainland.

Carried out series of bombardments of Communist (ELAS) positions near to Piraeus

and Salamis with HM Escort Destroyer EASTON, French corvette LA MALOUINE, Greek

ships SAKHTOURIS and NAVARIN (RHN).

12th Released from military support

Remained in Aegean area for convoy defence and support of Greek operations.



1 9 4 5



January Deployment in Greek waters in continuation.

Nominated for withdrawal from operational service.



February Passage to UK.



March Paid off and to be reduced to Reserve status



April On completion of reduction to Reserve and laid up at Falmouth.



May Laid-up at Falmouth pending disposal.






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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 5:02:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another British cruiser is sunk, even though it´s only a second class CLAA. As mentioned before, Miller (who is British ) really sacrificed the RN in this PBEM so far.

H.. M. S. C A R A D O C



"CALEDON" Class Cruiser ordered from Scotts of Greenock on 8th December 1915 and the laid down on 21st February 1916. She was lauched on 23rd December that year as the second Royal Navy ship to carry this name, first used in 1847 for an Iron Paddled Gunboat and was the English name for Caractacus a knight of the Round Table. Build was completed on 16th June 1917. Following a successful “WARSHIP WEEK” National Savings campaign in March 1942 she was “adopted” by the civil community of the City of Chester.



B a t t l e H o n o u r s



BLACK SEA 1854-55 - ATLANTIC 1940



H e r a l d i c D a t a

Badge: On a Field Black, a beast genus unknown, gold.



D e t a i l s o f S e r v i c e



1 9 1 7



May Contractors trials.



June Commissioned.

16th Build completion and commenced Acceptance Trials.

On completion of trials and storing took passage to join Grand Fleet at Scapa

Flow for work-up prior to operational use.



July Deployed at Scapa Flow with Grand Fleet.



August During Grand Fleet deployment grounded at Fair Isle.



September Resumed Grand Fleet service.

to

December

1 9 1 8



January Deployed with Grand Fleet.

to

October



November Nominated for service in Baltic in support of defence of countries under

threat from Bolshevik forces.

11th Germany agreed to an Armistice.

21st German High Seas fleet surrendered.

Passage to Baltic



December Deployed with HM Cruiser CALYPSO in Gulf of Finland and provided

gunfire support for Estonian troops under attack by Bolshevik forces.

26th Took part in capture of Russian destroyers AVTROIL and SPARTAK off

Revel with HMS CALYPSO, HM Destroyers VENDETTA, VORTIGERN

and WAKEFUL.

(Note: The Russian ships surrendered without returning fire.)



1 9 1 9



January Passage to UK on relief by 1st Light Cruiser Squadron.



February Nominated for service with 3rd Light Cruiser Squadron and took passage to

join Mediterranean Fleet.

(Note: HM Cruisers CARDIFF and CALYPSO were in LCS3.)



March Deployed with Squadron in Mediterranean

to (Note: During this period ships of the Mediterranean Fleet carried out

December duties as Guardship to safeguard British interests during unrest

in Turkey and Greece.)



1 9 2 0 t o 1 9 2 2



Mediterranean Fleet deployment with Squadron in continuation

Recommissioned for further service in 3rd Light Cruiser Squadron.



1 9 2 4 t o 1 9 2 5



Deployed with Squadron in Mediterranean



1 9 2 6



January Mediterranean Fleet service in continuation.

to Nominated for transfer to China Station.

November (Note: The number of British warships on the Station was increased after

outbreak of civil war in China in order to protect British commercial

interests in the area.)



December Passage Singapore and Hong Kong.



1 9 2 7



January Deployed on China Station

to Nominated for return to UK to recommission after refit.

June



July Passage to Mediterranean via Red Sea.



August Passage from Gibraltar to Sheerness.

De-ammunitioned prior to refit..



September Arrived at Chatham.

19th Paid off and taken in hand for refit by HM Dockyard, Chatham



October Under refit.

to

December



1 9 2 8



January Under refit

to

July



August Refit in continuation.

Nominated for service with 8th Cruiser Squadron on the America and

West Indies Station as relief for HM Cruiser DAUNTLESS.

(Note: HMS DAUNTLESS had been badly damaged after running aground

off Halifax, NS on 2nd July.)

Recommissioned for service.



September Refit completion and storing for foreign service.

Passage to Portsmouth



October Prepared for foreign service.

Took passage from Portsmouth for Bermuda to join Squadron.



November Deployed with Squadron for exercises and visits programme.

to

December

1 9 2 9



Deployment on West Indies Station in continuation.

(Note: Ships in Squadron visited ports in West Indies, South America

and on West ands East coasts of North America.



1 9 3 0



January Squadron deployment in West Indies in continuation.

Nominated for return to UK on relief by HMS DAUNTLESS.



February Passage to Portsmouth to pay off.

15th Arrived at Portsmouth and prepared for reduction to Reserve status.



March Passage to Devonport



April Laid-up in Reserve Fleet at Devonport.

to Nominated for service with 5th Cruiser Squadron in China Station.

June



July Prepared for operational service.

15th Recommissioned.



August Shakedown and exercises before passage to Singapore,



September Passage to join Squadron.

to

October



November Joined Squadron and deployed for protection of British interests and

exercises with ships on Station.



December China Station deployment with Squadron in continuation.



1 9 3 1 t o 1 9 3 3



Deployed with Squadron on China Station.



1 9 3 4



January Squadron deployment on China Station in continuation

to

July



August Nominated for return to UK to pay-off and refit.



September Passage to Sheerness.



October Paid off on arrival after de-ammunitioning.

17th Reduced to Reserve status and destored.



November Laid-up in Reserve.

to

December



1 9 3 5 t o 1 9 3 6



Laid-up in Reserve.







1 9 3 7

Under refit



1 9 3 8



January Under refit.

to Nominated for service in Reserve Fleet at Devonport for use as a

June Boys Training Ship



July On completion of refit carried out post refit trials.



August

12th Deployed in Reserve Fleet, Devonport as Boys Training Ship



September Training duties at Devonport in continuation.

to

December



1 9 3 9



January Training duties at Devonport in continuation.

to Nominated for attendance at Review of Reserve Fleet by HM King

July George VI in Weymouth Bay.



August Commissioned with Reservists for Royal Review and deployed as

Flagship in 11th Cruiser Squadron.

Carried out trials before passage to Weymouth Bay for Review.

9th Attended Royal Review and remained in commission for war service.

Took up War Station with Channel Force based at Portland.



September Deployed at Portland.

11th Provided cover for passage of military convoys to France carrying BEF.

14th Deployed at Plymouth in continuation.

23rd Returned to Plymouth after machinery defects.

25th Taken in hand for repair by HM Dockyard Devonport.



October Nominated for trade defence and interception of blockade runners with

America and West Indies Squadron.

7th Took passage from Plymouth for detached service in West Indies.

12th Joined HM Battleship REVENGE as escort for HM Cruisers EMERALD

and ENTERPRISE during passage to Halifax.

(Note: The cruisers were taking gold bullion to Canada for safe custody.)

17th Arrived at Halifax.

18th Took passage from Halifax to join 8th Cruiser Squadron in Bermuda..

20th Arrived at Bermuda and sailed after briefing for interception patrol.

23rd Intercepted German tanker EMY FRIEDRICH after sighting report by HM

Cruiser ORION and HM Destroyer SAGUENAY (RCN).

(Note: German ship was on passage from Tampico.)

Enemy ship scuttled on approach.

27th Returned to Bermuda from patrol with defects.



November Repair arranged at RCN dockyard, Esquimalt.

Passage to Panama Canal with call at Kingston, Jamaica.

20th Arrived at Esquimalt after Panama Canal transit.



December Under repair.



1 9 4 0



January Under repair

to

March



April

15th Carried out post repair trials and on completion took passage to resume

Squadron duties.



May Deployed in Pacific and West Indies for interception of blockade runners

to and commerce raiders.

October



November Deployed in Caribbean area.

11th Intercepted German blockade runner RHEIM in Straits of Florida.

Enemy ship set on fire in order to prevent boarding after being challenged.

Drifting hulk sunk by gunfire after crew abandoned ship.



December Squadron duties in West Indies in continuation.



1 9 4 1



January Squadron duties for patrol and interception in continuation.

to Nominated for refit by US Navy Yard, Brooklyn, New York.

September



October Passage to New York from Bermuda.

28th Taken in hand for refit.



November Under Refit

to (Note: Close range AA defence was supplemented by fit of five 20mm

December Oerlikon guns and preparation for fit of radar was carried out.)



1 9 4 2



January Under refit.



February

26th On completion carried out post refit trials and shakedown for Atlantic

passage.



March Passage to Portsmouth for completion of radar installation.

(Note: Type 286 an RAF Air-Surface radar for aircraft use which gave

limited surface and air cover was fitted. For details of development

and use of radar by RN see RADAR AT SEA by D Howse.)

Nominated for service in 5th Cruiser Squadron, Eastern Fleet.



April Passage to Scapa Flow to work-up with ships of Home Fleet.



May On completion of work-up took passage top join Squadron.



June Retained for convoy defence at Gibraltar.

(Note: Support of relief convoy to Malta had reduced number of ships

available for Atlantic service at Gibraltar.

Not deployed for Operation HARPOON.)



July Deployed at Gibraltar.

On release took passage via Cape of Good Hope to join Squadron in

Indian Ocean.



August Deployed for trade defence and convoy escort in Indian Ocean.

Nominated for support of military occupation of Madagascar.

(Operation STREAM)



September Deployed with HM Battleship WARSPITE, HM Cruisers GAMBIA,

BIRMINGHAM, DAUNTLESS, MANXMAN and the Dutch cruiser

HEEMSKERK with destroyers of Eastern Fleet as Force “A” to provide

naval support for landings in STREAM..

Nominated for support of landing at Nosi Be, an island off NW coast

of Madagascar (Operation ESME (B))

9th Joined HMS MANXMAN for passage to Nosi Be.

10th Provided Royal Marines landing party which landed at Hellville.

(For details see WAR WITH JAPAN, Volume III (HMSO).)

Rejoined Force “A”



October On release from STREAM took passage to Persian Gulf.

15th Relieved HM Cruiser CAPETOWN as Persian Gulf Guardship.



November Guardship deployment in Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea in continuation.

to

December

1 9 4 3



January Deployed in Indian Ocean for convoy defence.

to (Note: During this period Radar Type 271 was fitted aft on the

July superstructure to provide efficient surface warning

Type 286 was also replaced by RN design Type 290

which provided an improved cover against aircraft.

See above reference.)



August Transferred to Simonstown for convoy defence and interception patrol

in South Atlantic and southern Indian Ocean.



September Convoy defence and patrol in continuation.

to

December



1 9 4 4



January Indian Ocean trade defence duties in continuation.

to

February



March Nominated for withdrawal from operational service and took passage

to Colombo.



April Withdrawn from service and deployed as an Accommodation Ship at

Colombo



May Accommodation Ship deployment in continuation.

to (Note: On 22nd November when British Pacific Fleet was formed the

December Flag of CinC Eastern Fleet was transferred from HM Battlecruiser

RENOWN and transferred to this ship.)



1 9 4 5



January Accommodation Ship deployment in continuation.

to Remained Flagship for East Indies Fleet

August



September Nominated for return to UK



October Prepared for return passage.

15th Sailed from Colombo for paying-off.



November Called at Aden.

17th Took passage for Devonport from Gibraltar after call in Malta.

25th At Devonport and Paid-off.

Commenced de-storing.



December Reducing to Reserve status at Devonport






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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 5:06:24 PM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		Also CL Richmond, US light cruiser, was sunk during the Allied landings at Port Moresby.

USS Richmond (CL-9), 1923-1947

USS Richmond, a 7050-ton Omaha class light cruiser, was built at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Following commissioning in July 1923, her shakedown cruise took her to Europe, Africa and South America. At the end of 1923, the new ship joined the Atlantic-based Scouting Force. During the next three years, she participated in Fleet Problems and other exercises, rescued survivors of the wrecked gunboat Tacoma (January 1924), protected U.S. interests along the turbulent east coast of Mexico, supported a flight around the World by Army Air Corps aviators (mid-1924), and steamed across the Pacific during the U.S. Fleet's 1925 cruise to Australia and New Zealand. Richmond deployed to Asiatic waters for a year, beginning in early 1927, spending most of her time there in Chinese waters. She then served briefly on the Pacific Coast before returning to the Atlantic, where she was mainly employed well into the 1930s.

With brief exceptions to participate in exercises, Richmond operated in the Pacific from mid-1934 to the end of her service. She was flagship of the U.S. Fleet's Submarine Force during 1938-40 and carried the Commander of the Scouting Force in the first half of 1941, while based in Hawaii. Later in that year and during the first year of World War II, she patrolled along the Latin American west coast and escorted convoys in the southeastern Pacific.

Richmond went to the North Pacific in January 1943 and was soon heavily engaged in the then-active Aleutians campaign. She bombarded Japanese-held Attu in February, participated in the Battle of the Komandorski Islands on 26 March and took part in the recovery of Attu and Kiska in May and August 1943. Serving in the Aleutians area for the next two years, Richmond's activities included active patrolling and, beginning in February 1944, bombardments of the Kuril Islands. After the fighting ended in August 1945, she briefly supported the occupation of Northern Japan. In October, the old cruiser transited the Panama Canal, en route to Philadelphia, where she was decommissioned late in the year. USS Richmond was sold for scrapping late in 1946 or early in 1947





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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 7:28:06 PM   
Ambassador

 

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Status: offline 		Great !  If they're mostly cut-off, is it too early to congratulate you for the conquest of Siberia ?


Is it an optical distortion, or the Richmond really is too close to shore ?

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 7:53:18 PM   
anarchyintheuk

 

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Status: offline 		Don't know if it's an illusion but Richmond needs to start turning in a hurry.

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RE: it goes on... - 5/27/2009 9:30:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Is it an optical distortion, or the Richmond really is too close to shore ?


Think the location the pic is taken is crucial here

Just want to say thank you to Castor Troy, this is my favorite AAR after Cuttlefish's. No matter how bad a day I have, I can always come here and get cheered up by some ranting about ineffective mines, unsinkable ships etc. I love it!

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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 2:29:23 AM   
Xxzard

 

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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 7:48:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Great !  If they're mostly cut-off, is it too early to congratulate you for the conquest of Siberia ?


Is it an optical distortion, or the Richmond really is too close to shore ?



The Russian are in a very bad strategic situation at the moment, especially as the loss of Borzya is only days away. And this means that this will free up my Army in this region to roll on. There are several things I can think of what the Russian still could do (what I would do... ) but I´m not sure that Miller will come up with such plans I´m thinking of. I´m not doing my offensive in a total hurrey style, forgetting about securing my flanks but there are always possibilities if you have to fight 6000 enemy assault points in total.

You can congratulate me in probably 4-6 months I guess. But then the time for congratulations will be pretty much over anyway. Corsairs and Liberators will kill my aircraft in the hundreds every week and we will have to rely on morale boosts when a sub or a Betty sinks an AK now and then...

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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 7:49:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: terje439


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Is it an optical distortion, or the Richmond really is too close to shore ?


Think the location the pic is taken is crucial here

Just want to say thank you to Castor Troy, this is my favorite AAR after Cuttlefish's. No matter how bad a day I have, I can always come here and get cheered up by some ranting about ineffective mines, unsinkable ships etc. I love it!




thanks for reading, without readers it wouldn´t make sense to do an AAR!

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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 8:16:42 AM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		Rather boring turns at the moment (but boring is good for the Japanese) as Miller either isn´t able or isn´t willing to strike further. We spot some 50-75 Corsairs/P-47 on Cap over PM daily, recon reports hundreds of aircraft there though. Means Miller relies on the magic Allied ability to also get fighters airborne for Cap duty when the pilots are out at the beach taking a bath. I guess he has set them not over 50% Cap (if it even is that high) and escort to see his Barracudas being escorted by a nice number of deadly fighters. The Barracudas seem to be set to 5 hexes (torp and Corsair range) as we had ships in six hexes range several times but they never have been striked.

Miller asked me what I am up to as he thinks the KB is on station at Rabaul and he told me that only god knows what plan I have again. This was the time when the spotted Cap over PM was considerable reduced, probably as preparation to fly against an expected counteroffensive with my Navy against PM...


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/08/43

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
J1N1-S Irving x 27
A6M3a Zero x 81
B5N Kate x 8
G3M Nell x 35
G4M1 Betty x 53
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 326
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 154
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 52
PBY Catalina x 5
Kittyhawk I x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 109


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Kittyhawk I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 18
Beaufighter VIC x 13


No Allied losses

Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chita , at 62,15


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 13


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 12000 feet

my troops from Chita are now moving on Ulan Ude (where those bombers are coming from - Chinese bombers btw), the last base South of Irkutsk...

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 61
TBF Avenger x 15
Avenger I x 23
PBY Catalina x 1


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

Miller has set all of his bombers on Efate and New Caledonia on nav/airfield attack as the bombers are doing nothing in the morning and always coming in to go after the airfield in the afternoon. Looks like he wants to make sure I don´t move in KB again...

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 11
Beaufighter VIC x 13
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 30
B-25J Mitchell x 63
B-26B Marauder x 41


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 100

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet


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Ground combat at Borzya

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12974 troops, 369 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5078

Defending force 73240 troops, 494 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 1230



Allied ground losses:
380 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 90673 troops, 1043 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 1941

Defending force 74275 troops, 686 guns, 342 vehicles, Assault Value = 1186



Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15848 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2324

Defending force 282395 troops, 1447 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 6733

my reinforcement division has arrived, our positions here seem to be 100% safe...

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Ground combat at Ulan Bator

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8136 troops, 66 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 165

Defending force 3309 troops, 13 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Japanese max assault: 74 - adjusted assault: 50

Allied max defense: 18 - adjusted defense: 8

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Ulan Bator base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
IL-2 Shturmovik: 48 destroyed
Yak-9D: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
236 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

the two Mongolian Cav Divs take the base, which wasn´t that surprising after yesterday´s 2:1 already. And that´s why I´m quite amazed that Miller didn´t move out his aircraft. Nice number of aircraft destroyed on the ground... the very short ranged Shturmoviks are not that useful but surely too valuable as to be destroyed on the ground...




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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22648 troops, 267 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2447

Defending force 166522 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4827



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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8275 troops, 281 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4209

Defending force 153527 troops, 1092 guns, 420 vehicles, Assault Value = 3091



Allied ground losses:
428 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Karachi

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 100291 troops, 824 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2703

Defending force 79085 troops, 693 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1557


Japanese ground losses:
250 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1





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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 8:33:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here´s the requested screenshot of the situation in Russia. Only showing the central part of the Russian held territory as the North is reduced to Irkutsk and Ulan Ude (and two empty bases to the far North East). Miller has three "big" troop stacks at those bases on the railline, probably to build up the forts as otherwise it wouldn´t make sense not having all his units directly at frontline bases. We are only holding position in the Vladivostok area, trying to kill off a region fortress NE of it though. The troops that took Rukhlovo and Pokrovka arrived at Blagoveshchensk to block any attempts to move Russian units North. It´s a clear hex, if the enemy has more troops than expected that he could move in I will take my units back two hexes on the railline as this is a wooden hex and my 2000 av won´t be driven out of that one. While I doubt that he can drive me out of a clear hex, he would surely inflict much more losses on my troops in the clear hex than in the wooden hex.

The assault on Borzya is in it´s final stage already, the Russian there won´t resist much longer. This then frees up my troops to move North to assault Irkutsk. Guess two or three divs will stay in the area of Blagoveshchensk or Tsitsihar to act as a resere. I will use the units that were shot up the most at Borzya, that way I will have a reserve and the units can recover. There´s always the possibility of the Russian go mad and do a "strategic Banzai charge" into Manchuko. Therefor I still have division sized units at bases that are just behind the border and are sitting behind level 9 forts. Those bases can withstand every possible Russian attempt to break through long enough to see more units being moved in within days on the railline.

All in all is the Russain campaign really going well, but it isn´t won yet. I have moved a lot of fighter sentais out again to do training runs in the Philipines as the losses they took were replaced by 30 experienced pilots. And when 80+ experienced pilots lose 40:0 against Corsair and Thunderbolt then you can imagine what would happen if I would use 30 exp pilots.




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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 8:40:04 AM   
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He tried to run for Irkutsk as one suggested to him and wasn't able to consider that the two weeks you give him are by far not enough. It was obvious that you'll try to cut the railroad north of Borzya but still, he hoped that you won't do it and gave up all good positions while trying to reach Irkutsk...

Isn't it way too easy for you to play him?

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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 8:54:06 AM   
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TF 1016 encounters mine field at Cairns (47,100)

Allied Ships
MSW Vireo
MSW Token
MSW Strive
MSW Sheldrake
MSW Requisite
MSW Pursuit

DD Conway was finished by a sub laid Type 88 mine at Cairns and therefore Miller moved in some MSWs to clear the field again...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
A6M3a Zero x 79
B5N Kate x 8
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 325

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 223

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 50
PBY Catalina x 5
Kittyhawk I x 15
F4U-1 Corsair x 103


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Kittyhawk I bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 19
Beaufighter VIC x 11


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 61
TBF Avenger x 15
Avenger I x 23
PBY Catalina x 1


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 14
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-25J Mitchell x 66
B-26B Marauder x 43


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 124

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet

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Ground combat at Borzya

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 244229 troops, 1909 guns, 3276 vehicles, Assault Value = 5136

Defending force 71918 troops, 485 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 1203

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese max assault: 4706 - adjusted assault: 5212

Allied max defense: 1031 - adjusted defense: 1877

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
4290 casualties reported
Guns lost 68
Vehicles lost 60

Allied ground losses:
2470 casualties reported
Guns lost 56
Vehicles lost 1

next deliberate attack and again we miss a 3:1, but we´re close. Russian max defense doesn´t look that good, nevertheless the adjusted av wasn´t bad either... I´m confident, in two attacks the Russian will be finished... Miller will lose 15 units at Borzya which probably means something like 20-25% of his total assault value available. Like in most of my operations against him, I was able to focus my strenght while Miller kept his units more or less dispersed. I don´t think it would have been possible to stop my Army in the North at the border but there are a couple of hexes where 3000 Russian av could have blocked me easily. To defend one hex North of Borzya was a mistake IMO. Not keeping the retreat path East of Borzya open was definetely the mistake that will result in the destruction of all those valuable inf units here. One or two Russian divs would have been enough to keep the retreat path open. As mentioned before, it seems Miller has moved out troops from Borzya via air transport, I have no idea how many in total but I guess fragments of each unit, so we will have to take out Irkutsk before those troops really begin to grow again...

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Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 90683 troops, 1047 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 1940

Defending force 74205 troops, 689 guns, 342 vehicles, Assault Value = 1184



Allied ground losses:
140 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15848 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2322

Defending force 281825 troops, 1434 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 6718



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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22707 troops, 268 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2451

Defending force 166715 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4830



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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8265 troops, 280 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4211

Defending force 152934 troops, 1086 guns, 418 vehicles, Assault Value = 3084



Allied ground losses:
258 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Blagoveshchensk

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 45185 troops, 485 guns, 311 vehicles, Assault Value = 1184

Defending force 90683 troops, 1047 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 1940


Japanese ground losses:
1008 casualties reported
Guns lost 26
Vehicles lost 4


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Ground combat at Karachi

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 100394 troops, 823 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2708

Defending force 78957 troops, 693 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1553


Japanese ground losses:
408 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 2



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RE: it goes on... - 5/28/2009 9:09:05 AM   
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Stupid...
He tried to run for Irkutsk as one suggested to him and wasn't able to consider that the two weeks you give him are by far not enough. It was obvious that you'll try to cut the railroad north of Borzya but still, he hoped that you won't do it and gave up all good positions while trying to reach Irkutsk...

Isn't it way too easy for you to play him?



Like I´ve mentioned in the discussion that arose in this AAR about the Russian possibilities, I never intended to do the "Northern strategy" but have massed my troops in the Vladivostok and Uglahamensk area, the North only had enough troops to hold position easily and to take weakly defended targets. The reason for that was that I absolutely see no sense at all for the Allied to do the "run away with everthing". The two weeks time he had after activating the Russian would have been enough to see a 70% chance to at least achieve what he had planned, but he would have needed to play it out differently. And recon showed that there were troops marching towards Irkutsk, no idea how many there really are now, I would expect something like 2000 assault points.

Blocking my units further North East of Borzya, keeping strong units East of it would have done the trick. I could not move further North as I would then be cut off. I could hardly move further East as then the troops from the North would have the chance to cut me off. It´s a gamble for the Russian as I have the edge in total assault strenght but he can also mass a lot of troops in no time nearly every where as the railline makes moving pretty fast. Holding position somewhere with 1000 av in a wooden hex or even mountaineous hex can block quite a lot of my troops for quite some time, this means he could move an Army of 3000 av to counterattack me somewhere else. Imagine what would have happened if he can break through somewhere! Would mean my offensive would collapse immedietely. I´ve got more experience as the Japanese but played the Allied often enough to know what I´m speaking about (though always only on the stock map as I was just too lazy to accomodate me with AB´s wonderful and far better map). Twice did I face a Japanese attempt of taking out Russia, once I stopped the Japanese cold, resulting in a stalemate. Once I drove into Manchuria as the Japanese advanced with most of his troops in one direction, enabling me to stop him in the mountains and flank him on the railline = game over.

I don´t think Miller is a bad Allied player nor do I think I´m a real good Japanese player, he surely lacks the experience in the special WITP ground war. Though I´ve thought that the war in China, India and Australia would have helped him to put up a stiff defense of Russia. Doesn´t look so at the moment, but again, I think running for Irkutsk is definitely the wrong Allied strategy anyway, no matter if it turns out to be a succesful run or not. All I´ve did so far in this PBEM is to try to mass my forces, no matter if land, naval or air. And that´s what I´ve been doing in every of my PBEMs. Easier to do for the Allied as they get so much stuff, often a gamble for the Japanese. But if you mass your troops and the enemy doesn´t do the same thing or doesn´t secure the flanks in his strategy then it soon looks like as I´ve you were outplayed.



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