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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/26/2009 7:58:51 PM   
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I'm sure it has been answered before but can the floatplanes fly cap now?



What for?


EDIT: At least what for after ~March 42?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/26/2009 10:03:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think so. I would hope that also any Patrol/Bomber plane can employed as an ASW escort. It was very comon.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/26/2009 10:19:58 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/26/2009 10:25:18 PM   
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Btw. Is there anyway to force a floatplane plane in a ship to go to land instead returning for the ship? If i classify such a plane as a patrol will it still return to the ship?

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You simply tranfer it to a base.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/27/2009 12:41:25 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/27/2009 4:01:14 PM   
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Will disbanded Ships in port with float planes not fly missions ( please I hope so ) or will they have to be turned off manually ??

I assume CV cannot at all

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2009 5:55:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		In AAR's it appears that Ki-51 Sonias, Ki-30 were reclassified as bombers instead of dive bombers. Wouldn't their mission of close air support be better simulated as fighter bomber than level bomber?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2009 1:21:41 PM   
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In AAR's it appears that Ki-51 Sonias, Ki-30 were reclassified as bombers instead of dive bombers. Wouldn't their mission of close air support be better simulated as fighter bomber than level bomber?

yes, they were since they do not have divebrakes.
If i look at the specification of the Ki-51 and Ki-30, they should not be classified as fighter bombers. They were light (very light) bombers, and performed that way

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2009 4:36:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		IMO the attack profile of Fighter Bombers is i think much more similar to the atack profile of Sonias and Ki-30's IRL than of Level Bombers.

Specification doesn't matter for this, it is an hack. No one will put them as a fighter.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 10:13:22 AM   
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Some of the Catalina flying boats had wheels, earlier ones did not..Has the game been able to make a differentiation now?(In vanilla you could not base any of them in an interior strip.)




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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 11:13:40 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 11:54:54 AM   
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IMO the attack profile of Fighter Bombers is i think much more similar to the atack profile of Sonias and Ki-30's IRL than of Level Bombers.

Specification doesn't matter for this, it is an hack. No one will put them as a fighter.


Both Ki-30's and Ki-51's are already classified as Light Bombers in the AE, no need to give them Fighter-Bomber specs.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 1:30:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question at what stage do the Japs air fields/ land bases get radar in AE any light would be good or just a link is fine i am shore its been talked about.

PS. I have some good info on jap radar a bit late now.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 4:35:07 PM   
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Both Ki-30's and Ki-51's are already classified as Light Bombers in the AE, no need to give them Fighter-Bomber specs.


Didn't know that, can expand a bit what are the differences?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 6:37:19 PM   
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Some of the Catalina flying boats had wheels, earlier ones did not..Has the game been able to make a differentiation now?(In vanilla you could not base any of them in an interior strip.)





Happily, yes.






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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 6:40:55 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 6:49:45 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 6:58:16 PM   
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Is there Night flying experience among other pilot skills? Or how are night fighter groups differenced from daylight besides the "Flying Day Operations -Change to Night" switch?


There's a complex set of pilot skills in AE, but night experience is not distinguished.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 7:08:36 PM   
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some endemic amphibians of the Pacific...





Black Cat with radar, US catalina, allied catalina (canadian, australian, new zealand, britain, dutch) ?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 7:08:55 PM   
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Question at what stage do the Japs air fields/ land bases get radar in AE any light would be good or just a link is fine i am shore its been talked about.

PS. I have some good info on jap radar a bit late now.

Tiger!


I can't specifically answer your question, and I'm not an expert on Japanese radar, but I can give you the following:

1. You won't see Japanese radar in base forces when the war begins, just sound detectors.

2. I see maybe a dozen different radar types in the device pools and some are available beginning in 1942.

3. Radar upgrades for your base forces will depend on supply, HQs, and device pool availability.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 7:09:52 PM   
Barb


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Is there Night flying experience among other pilot skills? Or how are night fighter groups differenced from daylight besides the "Flying Day Operations -Change to Night" switch?


There's a complex set of pilot skills in AE, but night experience is not distinguished.


But I hope night planes are bit more effective in their night roles than common daylight planes at night...

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 7:16:14 PM   
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But I hope night planes are bit more effective in their night roles than common daylight planes at night...


"Night fighters are better than other plane types at intercepting enemy airstrikes at night."

-AE Manual

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 7:22:15 PM   
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Thanks.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 9:02:27 PM   
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If I read this correctly, Catalinas can now make torpedo attacks in the daytime. Am I right? In WITP, only Night Naval Attacks were possible.

Is this also true for Ms. Emily?


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 9:30:16 PM   
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Keep in mind that while your pilots' search skills may be pretty good with these patrol squadrons, their naval attack torpedo skills are poor, and they don't improve in this area unless you are training them just for naval attack.

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I will add these aircraft, if set to naval attack using torps, will need to meet certain criteria based on supply, base force/air HQ torpedo devices, and/or command HQ radius. Consequently, you won't see patrol aircraft able to automatically exert a naval attack/torpedo threat from every base they fly from.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2009 11:04:20 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/2/2009 12:38:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks very much for this Cathartes but i was looking a little more. I was thinking they may do it to base size after a date in 42.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/2/2009 9:35:50 AM   
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Some of the Catalina flying boats had wheels, earlier ones did not..Has the game been able to make a differentiation now?(In vanilla you could not base any of them in an interior strip.)





Happily, yes.








Thank you, Cathartes!..This is all great and welcome news.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/2/2009 9:48:19 AM   
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are you sure the early model PBY were not also amphibs??


Yes,There are several on these forums who know more about the old planes, but I doubt many of them have sat in as many.




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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/3/2009 6:36:32 PM   
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