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what the %$#^^$ - 8/19/2009 1:30:49 PM   
Flying Tiger

 

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check out the combat report below (this is not the full report, just the relevant bit). It looks like these 44 Zero and 22 Oscar pilots have been awfully busy. 13 offensive sweeps, over a range of at least 10 hexes (coming from opposite directions) in one day. I wish i had that sort of stamina!!

Is this for real? Or is it a bug? They did no real damage, but crazy watching the combat animations - i thought it had stuck in some never ending loop for a while there.


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Afternoon Air attack on Asiatic Fleet , at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-27b Nate x 15
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 3



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 3


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged




Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
4 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 11000 feet
12 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
11 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 10000 feet
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 80 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-I Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on Asiatic Fleet , at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-27b Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-51 Sonia x 4



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
10 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 10000 feet
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on 1st PA Infantry Division, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
C5M2 Babs x 1
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on 31st PA Infantry Division, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
C5M2 Babs x 1
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on 31st PA Infantry Division, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-15-II Babs x 1
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on 51st PA Infantry Division, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged




Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on 4th Marine Regiment, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-I Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-I Dinah: 1 damaged




Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on 1st PA Infantry Division, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team, at 79,77 (Manila)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1



Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
31 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet *
22 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead


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RE: what the %$#^^$ - 8/19/2009 3:42:18 PM   
Terminus


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What I'm seeing is 66 aircraft flying a series of air combats over the same hex, in the same turn phase (only one sweep).

But I can see why you might be confused by the combat report. It's a bit... unwieldy, shall we say?

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RE: what the %$#^^$ - 8/20/2009 7:27:42 AM   
Flying Tiger

 

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Thanks T. You might be correct. But..... if it is one sweep, why are they attacking different targets each time? Asiatic fleet, then Manila itself, then a series of different PA units? And why are there slightly different additional aircraft in each strike?

It looks a lot like 13 different sweeps/escorts to me.

the 44 Zeros were from KB cruising through the Java sea. The Oscars were flying out of taiwan. Impressive coordination to get those airgroups together over the target once in a day - let alone 13 times!

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RE: what the %$#^^$ - 8/20/2009 11:07:16 AM   
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Looks to me too, that it's same sweep with all combat events listed as separate.

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RE: what the %$#^^$ - 8/20/2009 11:16:56 AM   
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If those were really 13 sweeps you would lose most of CAP planes that flew.
Also, check fatigue of KB Zeroes, it would be 100 and half of them would crash on landing if they really flew 13 sweeps.
Looks like a display error to me, it didn't really happen in the game engine that way.

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RE: what the %$#^^$ - 8/20/2009 12:49:39 PM   
Flying Tiger

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Djordje

If those were really 13 sweeps you would lose most of CAP planes that flew.
Also, check fatigue of KB Zeroes, it would be 100 and half of them would crash on landing if they really flew 13 sweeps.
Looks like a display error to me, it didn't really happen in the game engine that way.


I'm the Allies! This was the Jap AI attacking me - i thought it might have been part of the AI 'enhancement'.

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