Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

Or you could just play the game and see for yourself. Blind denunciations, wow thats good. Do you think before you write, or write then think. You seem one minded, dull and to wit, Ignorant.

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ORIGINAL: gwgardner

... and Miss Congeniality strikes again.

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

Is that your best? You seem to be a one trick pony.

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ORIGINAL: doomtrader

@Berkut
You can change those manually

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ORIGINAL: Anraz

To discuss Russian commanders rating is like to open  a can of warm.

Some of those who lived behind the iron curtain, and I hope some who lived on the other side of it,   known how huge was  (and still is) difference between propaganda (which so common and unfortunately is perceived as "historic") image  and the truth (yeah, the real historic!) image of this isolated red realm.

For example if we consider a division led by Zhukov and average American, British or German leader I assure you no matter what task  is to perform Zhukov's division would fall as first, because there was no skill in his "genius" just blind human wave approach which led to monstrous losses among solders. Moreover most of other soviet generals were more or less of the same quality (probably Rokosvsky's skill is too high). So why should he have bigger skill then generals in other nations who can use subjected units and owned military resources in a better way? [Also it worth remembering we have the same kind of units on both side of front.]

Finally if anyone asked me what were are two biggest hoaxes connected with ww2 which still deceive people I would answer: myth of T-34 and Zhukov'v skills. Even though I'm not sure which one is bigger...

Most probably I will be too busy making the third project to participate actively if a discussion arise, so consider this post not only as developer's Sunday reflections, but as "official "words written in order to let you know the reasons for such ratings.

Anyway we have democracy (haven't we? :)) and anyone can have his own view on the matter... so the game allows players to mod easily those ratings, so every gamer can set his own values. This the best way to satisfy everyone :)

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ORIGINAL: MilRevKo

The T-34 was an excellent reproduction of an American tank. To bad the USA did not adopt the Christy (sp) design. Imagine 3rd Army cutting across France in thousands of T-34's.

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ORIGINAL: AH4Ever

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

Or you could just play the game and see for yourself. Blind denunciations, wow thats good. Do you think before you write, or write then think. You seem one minded, dull and to wit, Ignorant.

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ORIGINAL: gwgardner

... and Miss Congeniality strikes again.

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

Is that your best? You seem to be a one trick pony.

Talk about insubordination 36 post and he chooses insult over courtesy

Can you spell "delusions of grandeur"

Will the Matrix Reps please give him his money back and tell him to go away.

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

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ORIGINAL: gwgardner

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H.Hoth

Or you could just play the game and see for yourself. Blind denunciations, wow thats good. Do you think before you write, or write then think. You seem one minded, dull and to wit, Ignorant.

... and Miss Congeniality strikes again.
Is that your best? You seem to be a one trick pony.

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

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ORIGINAL: MilRevKo

The T-34 was an excellent reproduction of an American tank. To bad the USA did not adopt the Christy (sp) design. Imagine 3rd Army cutting across France in thousands of T-34's.

It was the main battle tank until the kv-2, yes you are right, they chose speed over armour...i.e Sherman.

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ORIGINAL: Michael the Pole

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

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ORIGINAL: gwgardner

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H.Hoth

Or you could just play the game and see for yourself. Blind denunciations, wow thats good. Do you think before you write, or write then think. You seem one minded, dull and to wit, Ignorant.

... and Miss Congeniality strikes again.
Is that your best? You seem to be a one trick pony.

GW, you must consider the source...

Which is clearly a font of sewage, ignorance, and putresence who desrves only the resounding total inattention of people of honor and culture. To paraphrase a lt.comander of some erudition, a civilized person can easily impersonate a barbarian, but a barbarian cannot possibly pertend to be civilized.

In an extraordinary display, H H (I refuse to acknowledge his use of his screen name) has managed to not only display his total ignorance of the subject matter, the rules of civilized discourse and managed to completely dishonor a name of valued and honored memory, but has managed to do so in less than 2 weeks. Papa would have had him converted into a canoe.

Sometimes, the only appropriate place for the nekulterny is Coventry.
You ramble to much old man, I dare say it is you who are ignorant, quick to judge. Calling me sewage, how old are you 7 or 70? You honor no one sir, and if I am a canoe, you sir are the aft end.

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ORIGINAL: Michael the Pole

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

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ORIGINAL: MilRevKo

The T-34 was an excellent reproduction of an American tank. To bad the USA did not adopt the Christy (sp) design. Imagine 3rd Army cutting across France in thousands of T-34's.

It was the main battle tank until the kv-2, yes you are right, they chose speed over armour...i.e Sherman.

And as an excellent example of his astonishing ignorance, this statement by HH is truly definative.

The KV2 was never adopted as the Soviet main battle tank and was in fact so defective and unworkable that production was terminated in 1941 after a massive production run of ..."Only about 250... making it one of the rarer Soviet tanks."

Of course, "the mouth of ignorance can only produce stupidity." And if this is the level of his knowledge of the topic, which is apparently gleaned from watching back episodes of the "World at War" during commercial breaks on Sponge Bob, we should all treats his vaporous ranting as the mindless dribble that it so obviously is.
Please stop doing your research on wikipedia Pole, insult all you want, you are still a small minded man.

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

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ORIGINAL: Michael the Pole

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ORIGINAL: H. Hoth

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ORIGINAL: MilRevKo

The T-34 was an excellent reproduction of an American tank. To bad the USA did not adopt the Christy (sp) design. Imagine 3rd Army cutting across France in thousands of T-34's.

It was the main battle tank until the kv-2, yes you are right, they chose speed over armour...i.e Sherman.

And as an excellent example of his astonishing ignorance, this statement by HH is truly definative.

The KV2 was never adopted as the Soviet main battle tank and was in fact so defective and unworkable that production was terminated in 1941 after a massive production run of ..."Only about 250... making it one of the rarer Soviet tanks."

Of course, "the mouth of ignorance can only produce stupidity." And if this is the level of his knowledge of the topic, which is apparently gleaned from watching back episodes of the "World at War" during commercial breaks on Sponge Bob, we should all treats his vaporous ranting as the mindless dribble that it so obviously is.
Please stop doing your research on wikipedia Pole, insult all you want, you are still a small minded man.

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'myth of T-34 '

Ok what is the myth of the T-34 and how many T-34's have you been in?

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The T-34 was an excellent reproduction of an American tank. To bad the USA did not adopt the Christy (sp) design. Imagine 3rd Army cutting across France in thousands of T-34's.

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Conclusions, suggestions

1. On both tanks, quickly replace the air cleaners with models with greater capacity capable of actually cleaning the air.

2. The technology for tempering the armour plating should be changed. This would increase the protectiveness of the armour, either by using an equivalent thickness or, by reducing the thickness, lowering the weight and, accordingly, the use of metal.

3. Make the tracks thicker.

4. Replace the existing transmission of outdated design with the American "Final Drive," which would significantly increase the tanks' manoeuvrability.

5. Abandon the use of friction clutches.

6. Simplify the construction of small components, increase their reliability and decrease to the maximum extent possible the need to constantly make adjustments.

7. Comparing American and Russian tanks, it is clear that driving Russian tanks is much harder. A virtuosity is demanded of Russian drivers in changing gear on the move, special experience in using friction clutches, great experience as a mechanic, and the ability to keep tanks in working condition (adjustments and repairs of components, which are constantly becoming disabled). This greatly complicates the training of tankers and drivers.

8. Judging by samples, Russians when producing tanks pay little attention to careful machining or the finishing and technology of small parts and components, which leads to the loss of the advantage what would otherwise accrue from what on the whole are well designed tanks.

9. Despite the advantages of the use of diesel, the good contours of the tanks, thick armour, good and reliable armaments, the successful design of the tracks etc., Russian tanks are significantly inferior to American tanks [Anraz: this is a Soviet genral opinion!!!] ]in their simplicity of driving, manoeuvrability, the strength of firing [reference to speed of shell], speed, the reliability of mechanical construction and the ease of keeping them running.

Signed -- The head of the 2nd Department of the Main Intelligence Department of the Red Army, General Major of Tank Armies, Khlopo... (end missing: Khlopov?)

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As for the myth of the t-34...yes, it had a number of technical defects and needed upgrading throughout the war. Nevertheless, it was a nasty shock for the Germans in 1941 who were sufficiently impressed with it to send out a commission to study it and features of the t-34 influenced the design of their later Panther tank.

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There's a relatively famous anecdote in Guderian's memoirs about this, as a matter of fact. In November of 1941 a Soviet tank brigade fully armed with t-34s mauled an entire panzer division by ambushing it.

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Flaviusx
The thing to remember about comparing the Sherman to the t-34 is the operational requirements of the US Army and the Red Army were somewhat different. They were both excellent machines, but reflected different realities and circumstances.

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Flaviusx
For whatever it is worth, the Soviets liked the Sherman and used it in a number of formations.