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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 12:40:23 AM   
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Tithe.

Instead of my usual drivel, I have a serious question today. Does anyone recall if the Washington Naval Treaty imposed any displacement limits on CVs? I was under the impression that it did not, but an article I read suggests that it does.

Thanks!


It did. Only two carriers per signatory nation could displace more than 27,000 tons and these could be no more than 33,000 tons. This was to allow reconstruction of battlecruisers.


Thanks T. But I thought the Lex and Sara displaced significantly more.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 12:41:00 AM   
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My wife can do amazingly delicious things with a goose.  


I know I've said this before, but are you sure you dont want to rephrase that.


Or tell us more!


Not in a "family friendly" forum.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 12:42:07 AM   
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Tithe.

Instead of my usual drivel, I have a serious question today. Does anyone recall if the Washington Naval Treaty imposed any displacement limits on CVs? I was under the impression that it did not, but an article I read suggests that it does.

Thanks!


It did. Only two carriers per signatory nation could displace more than 27,000 tons and these could be no more than 33,000 tons. This was to allow reconstruction of battlecruisers.


Thanks T. But I thought the Lex and Sara displaced significantly more.



Not empty. Full they were around 33,000 tons (including boiler water, fuel, Ammo, People, etc).

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 12:44:58 AM   
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Standard displacement was 33,000 tons. Maximum displacement added about 10,000.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 12:57:07 AM   
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Ok, just seriously urinated on a trash-mouth pissant on the main boards. I'm ducking for cover, but I know Mynok just loves that stuff, so ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 1:27:52 AM   
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Keep your head down, John.  

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 2:59:18 AM   
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T i'm jealous.........

My favourite band are playing 'near you' on 15th August 2010.............


Which band ?


U2.....

Saw them twice this summer.



8 days to go until we go see them here in Raleigh.


We'll be there!! My wife would lock me in the attic for years if we didn't go.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 3:04:05 AM   
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Ok, just seriously urinated on a trash-mouth pissant on the main boards. I'm ducking for cover, but I know Mynok just loves that stuff, so ...


I prefer bouncing stupidity and idiots spouting off about things they have no experience with.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 3:13:01 AM   
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So there I was at the super-market, getting stuff to eat, and was wandering past the frozen fowls, when I look, and what do I see in the midst of all the capons, but a goose.

Well, I got some friends coming over tomorrow, so I think to myself – self, hmm, a goose, yeah, cool, I can do a goose. So I snag the goose. I get a bunch of other stuff and head for the checkout line.

Whoah, Nellie. Everything goes ‘beep’ except Ms Goose.

“Oh, this doesn’t have a tag, so we’ll have to get a price.” Yeah, okay, no worries. And on, and on.

“Sir, I’m afraid we can’t find a price, on this.” Oh, that’s ok, says I – I found it in the bin of frozen capons. “Oh, but this is a goose, it isn’t a capon.” No worries, says I, just think about it – a goose is just a great big chicken. So just charge me for a great big fat capon. “But sir, that’s going to be expensive.” Oh, says I, that’s quite all right.

So a 7lb goose for $18.00. Woof! It was all I could do to keep from ROTFFLMAO.



" ...a goose is just a great big chicken ". Hilarious. I have cooked up lots of other birds, but never a goose. Tell us how it comes out.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 3:15:14 AM   
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Ok, just seriously urinated on a trash-mouth pissant on the main boards. I'm ducking for cover, but I know Mynok just loves that stuff, so ...


The guy who really, really wanted to ensure you knew that ensigns should not be commanding CLs may also come looking for you JWE....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 4:17:49 AM   
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Ok, just seriously urinated on a trash-mouth pissant on the main boards. I'm ducking for cover, but I know Mynok just loves that stuff, so ...


The guy who really, really wanted to ensure you knew that ensigns should not be commanding CLs may also come looking for you JWE....


I was going to quote that guy about the Leander, ensigns, etc. But I thought that JWE might get mad and come beat me to death with a boat oar. So never mind.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 5:31:59 AM   
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Half Past Midnight Tithe

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 8:30:35 AM   
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Hi all,

Good morning!


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:07:37 AM   
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Tithe...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:35:10 AM   
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Good Morning Tithe!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:35:58 AM   
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Off to run 20 miles this morning. 2 weeks until the Baltimore marathon!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:42:11 AM   
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Ok, just seriously urinated on a trash-mouth pissant on the main boards. I'm ducking for cover, but I know Mynok just loves that stuff, so ...


I prefer bouncing stupidity and idiots spouting off about things they have no experience with.


Speaking of which, I'm thinking about a career as a fan-boy. I'm not sure which side to take, but I can manage a complete disdain for others and a disregard for all established (and so-called) facts. All those fan-boys seem to have so much fun out there...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:44:49 AM   
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"A career as a fan-boy."  

Thanks for starting my day off right, Martin. 


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:45:05 AM   
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Good Saturday morning - Tithe. 

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 10:45:45 AM   
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0645 departure for the first of two hockey rinks this morning.  Should be home by noon for a afternoon full of football and napping.  

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 11:17:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo


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Tithe.

Instead of my usual drivel, I have a serious question today. Does anyone recall if the Washington Naval Treaty imposed any displacement limits on CVs? I was under the impression that it did not, but an article I read suggests that it does.

Thanks!


It did. Only two carriers per signatory nation could displace more than 27,000 tons and these could be no more than 33,000 tons. This was to allow reconstruction of battlecruisers.


Thanks T. But I thought the Lex and Sara displaced significantly more.



Treaty limit was 20,000 tons per CV..., but a clause was included to allow the conversion of two vessels already under construction to CV's at the behest of the Japanese and the Americans. These were the Lexington and Saratoga for the US and the Akagi and Amagi for the Japanese. Amagi's destruction in the 1923 earthquake resulted in the substitution of the Kaga.

Another such clause allowed the British to build the post WW I designed Nelson and Rodney while most participants were restricted to compleating BB's designed before any post-war tests were conducted.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 11:53:38 AM   
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Good morning gents.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 12:29:55 PM   
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"A career as a fan-boy."  

Thanks for starting my day off right, Martin. 



I'm doing well lately I made Eric smile yesterday and today I've started your day with a smile

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 1:18:04 PM   
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Fanboyism is not a very rewarding career.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 1:26:12 PM   
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Hello everyone. It has finally stopped raining here. I think we have had rain for about 10 straight days. But for the next week sunny with mild temperatures !

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 1:54:29 PM   
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The guy who really, really wanted to ensure you knew that ensigns should not be commanding CLs may also come looking for you JWE....

I was going to quote that guy about the Leander, ensigns, etc. But I thought that JWE might get mad and come beat me to death with a boat oar. So never mind.


Oh, heavens. I didn't mind that a bit. Actually, he reminded me that I promised those two Ensigns an extra helping of strawberries.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 2:12:54 PM   
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Tithe.

Instead of my usual drivel, I have a serious question today. Does anyone recall if the Washington Naval Treaty imposed any displacement limits on CVs? I was under the impression that it did not, but an article I read suggests that it does.

Thanks!


It did. Only two carriers per signatory nation could displace more than 27,000 tons and these could be no more than 33,000 tons. This was to allow reconstruction of battlecruisers.


Thanks T. But I thought the Lex and Sara displaced significantly more.



Treaty limit was 20,000 tons per CV..., but a clause was included to allow the conversion of two vessels already under construction to CV's at the behest of the Japanese and the Americans. These were the Lexington and Saratoga for the US and the Akagi and Amagi for the Japanese. Amagi's destruction in the 1923 earthquake resulted in the substitution of the Kaga.

Another such clause allowed the British to build the post WW I designed Nelson and Rodney while most participants were restricted to compleating BB's designed before any post-war tests were conducted.


Thank you Mike, and T and Steve. I was just a bit confused by some displacement figures of 50k I saw for the Sara of 1944.

Did the treaty make any allowance for the number of decks?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 2:37:25 PM   
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No. You had a total tonnage allowed and a maximum tonnage per ship, but no set number of ships that could be built.

That was the reason why some of the small carriers, like the Ryujo and the Ranger, were built, to "use up" the allowable tonnage.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 5:23:33 PM   
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Ah. Thank you T. That must be where I got the idea that there were no restrictions. Silly me.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 9/26/2009 5:34:18 PM   
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Hi all,

Oh my...

Martin?


quote:


Justice system 'failing veterans'

by BBC


More than 20,000 former servicemen and women are in prison, on probation or on parole in England and Wales, according to the probation officers' union Napo.


The figure, which includes 8,500 veterans in jail, is twice the number of troops serving in Afghanistan.

Napo warned that "support is not available of sufficient calibre" for ex-forces personnel.

But a Ministry of Defence spokesman said the "vast majority" made a successful return to civilian life.

Downing Street said the issue was at the "forefront of the prime minister's mind".

'Very macho'

According to Napo research, around 12,000 former Army, Navy and Air Force personnel with criminal convictions are on the Probation Service's books.

It says that almost one prisoner in 10 is ex-forces.

A study of 90 former personnel on probation or parole suggested that one-in-three suffered from chronic alcohol abuse while one-in 10 abused illegal drugs.

Among them, domestic violence accounted for one-in-three convictions while other violent crimes accounted for around one-in-five.

A quarter said they suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and others reported depression and behavioural problems.

Harry Fletcher, Napo's assistant general secretary, said the "very macho" culture of the services made it "very difficult to admit that you need help".

He said: "We've got to put effort into trying to divert as many veterans as possible from being in the justice system.

"It's the hidden kind of consequences of war. And I think there are things we can do to divert them away."

Shadow justice secretary Dominic Grieve said the public would be "shocked" that so many former servicemen and women were in custody.

He added: "It is a disgrace that so many who have served their country are languishing in our prisons.

"No-one is above the law, but this government has failed to provide proper support to our troops on return home."

David Hill, chief executive of charity Combat Stress, said he was "not surprised" by the findings.

He added: "We think it is time for a fresh look, and we are keen to engage with ministers to progress this."

Susan Bickerton, chief executive of housing charity Norcare, said authorities needed to act quicker to deal with the "army of forgotten war veterans sleeping on sofas of friends and families, a number of whom can and do turn to crime in desperation".

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: "We take our duty of care for all offenders very seriously, irrespective of background.

"Our first priority is protecting the public, and by providing offenders with support and information which will aid their resettlement in the community, we reduce the risk that they will re-offend."

The MoD spokesman added that a National Audit Office report had found that 94% of ex-service personnel had found work within six months of leaving.

He added: "A small minority can face serious difficulties and we provide a wide range of support, before, during and after leaving the services, including the MoD's Prison In-Reach initiative."

Downing Street said it took the issue "enormously seriously".

A spokesman added: "We have a resettlement package for people leaving the forces to help them make the transition into civilian life as smoothly as possible.

"In 2008, the National Audit Office said the resettlement package was at the forefront of best practice."



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