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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 6:07:30 PM   
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Good stuff! Thanks for taking the time to give us this great advice.

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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 6:18:25 PM   
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Thanks, vR! Even after years of playing I'm still learning... and everybody has a different style.

Something I should mention that is pretty much necessary, particularly early on, I call it:

BAIT and SWITCH
Historically the RAF helped with escorts for the American heavies while they built up their own fighter strength. You'll notice that you don't see the option for using RAF Spitfires or Mustangs with your B17s in 1943. Hmm. What you need to do is pick a Lead Unit from one of the RAF units - like a Typhoon maybe (check the OB for the fighter you want to use and pick a bomber from the same force). Then put on the escorts, attempting to get the timing and altitudes correct since sometimes it can be tough to change later (and I frequently forget!). Now, click on Lead Unit again, and unselect the RAF bomber formation, Exit, click Lead Unit again and pick your hefty 'ole Fortress unit. Voilà! You have a nice cloud of Spitfires for the LW to shoot down instead of your bombers. This is a necessary procedure, and acceptable historically, for protecting your bombers for quite some time.

Good luck and don't be afraid to post an AAR thread so that we can follow along and maybe help if you want it.


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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 7:39:54 PM   
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Thanks Goldern Bear. Awesome advice. That is exactly what I needed. Something to start with and build on. I have started a few threats already and everyone on here are very helpful. This game is awesome and look forward to playing it for a long time to come.

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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 10:25:30 PM   
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Can anybody explain me the difference between red and white radar range circles ?

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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 10:36:27 PM   
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Are you playing BoB? I'm guessing that you are and I am no actual help there... haven't played it in years, but: I would guess that they would be different sorts of radar with different ranges. In BTR the Axis have different radars with different radars and you can either inspect the site or just follow the different diameter circles to the center.

I used to try to knock out all the radars on the path to the Ruhr in '43 and have been successful sometimes. They repair rapidly and the LW has other ways of finding you. Still, any delay of fighter response is a good thing. Sometimes you can knock out radar in a sort of channel that allows your bombers to get in pretty deep before detection.


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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 10:38:56 PM   
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white : High Altitude LR but lacks of detecting low flying AC.

Red : Low Altitide Radar, less range but able to detect you even at higher altitudes I *think* (correct me if I am wrong !)

the goal is imho, to shut down the white ones first because they can spot your bombers usually flying high for long ranges detecting your formations early and then they have time to react.

try searching the forum, there were posts about that.


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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/13/2009 11:20:50 PM   
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Thank you both - and yes, I started with BoB.

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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/15/2009 5:55:32 PM   
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A litte question, i use in some test raids Me-110 as high scort fighter (8.000-10.000 over the main raid at 14.000) but allways the Me-110 units ignore it and start attacks to enemy balloons and of course, at 5.000 they are dead meat vs Hurricanes, Spitfires and even Gladiators. Any way to change it that dont be changing raid path??? because i find this option... if i say scort bomber over 9.000 dont means heeeey go to 5.000 and shoot down some ballons and be a perfect target for enemy bombers.

PD: Me-109 do the same but they "only" are 2.000-6.000 over the bombers...

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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/15/2009 8:00:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lützow

Can anybody explain me the difference between red and white radar range circles ?


white is for CH (Chain Home, High radar)
red is for CHL Chain Home, low, low radar)

I think it was changed in BTR as all of the radar was the same, later on they added some new longer ranged radar, but the code was already set for the radar to be the same



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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/15/2009 8:23:31 PM   
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Some additional notes to modify what I said earlier...

I've found that launching NFs starting at an hour after launch of main raid works out well. Thus, if NBs launch at 19:00, launch first plane to an airfield at 20:00. Then hit New Mission-Follow-Pick Lead unit-(pick the unit)-Close-click 3x to change the time to 20:30, hit New Mission-etc. I've been putting five planes on an airbase from 20:00 to 22:00 and generally knock down more NJs than NBs I lose. Of course, I have a long list of NJ AFs and hit all of them each turn I bomb which takes some patience.

And I'll bury a cheat, err, "workaround" in here. Much as you can use Bait and Switch to get RAF fighters or IXth or Tac fighters to escort your VIIIth bombers, you can do the same thing to get around Overloard and Avalanche restrictions. Target an AF or town near the industry you want to bomb, set up the raid, then change your primary to what you really want to hit. I debated putting this up but everybody who has played for any length of time knows it so why shouldn't everybody else? Personally, I avoid doing this because I am interested in seeing how I can perform within the nominal rules but I wouldn't hesitate to use it during the long Overlord blackout if I were in danger of game shutdown due to lack of points. However, this latter really shouldn't be a problem as long as you stay aggressive and keep bombing regularly. I believe that the shutdown thing is to make certain that a player doesn't sit idle for months, husbanding initial high exp units until planes improve.

Two more cheats that are obvious:
weather - if you don't like it, go back to your save game at the end of the previous turn (you do make one, right?) and regenerate dawn all over again. Not a biggie.
LW airbases - launch a test day or night raid, write down the AFs the LW has planes on that turn, then reload and sweep them. Again, it is up to how you want to play the game. It is also useful for testing things like height and timing of launching the sweeps.

Now to make certain that nobody but somebody who is really interested finds the above section, I have another interesting observation or bit of advice. Close Escort fighters actually do something in this game!! Woohoo!! And if you include them on your mission, many of the LW attacks will go after them rather than your bombers. I have come to regard it as pretty much a "must" to have CEs for this reason and to save more bombers.


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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/16/2009 1:39:49 AM   
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My strategy is to target the biggest high value targets that are within range of the escorts for complete coverage all the way to the target. I also try to slip in some secondary missions right behind the main bomber force to attack nearby factories--typhoons can come in at 10k and hammer a small factory easily and since the ai is focused on the bomber force at 28k they can get in without too much damage.

I try to stay away from the Ruhr early but there are two large high value factories there that cry out to be flattened--the krupp steel mill and a synfuel factory. Beware of the flak though.




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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/16/2009 4:05:06 AM   
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Good plans. The flak will get worse so balance that in there.

Also, don't forget the RR yards in the Ruhr. Shutting them down will shut down adjacent industries. There are three important ones that choke traffic in and out... a hint, Hamm is one.


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RE: Beginner Questions - 10/16/2009 3:34:43 PM   
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Deleted - wrong thread.

< Message edited by Nicholas Bell -- 10/16/2009 5:07:57 PM >

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