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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:13:47 PM   
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And has anyone noticed how complicated the MLS transfer syatem seems to be?  


The only complication is figuring out how much you need to pay to get what you want.


I've ended up at Seattle on a game, they're terrible and the transfer system confuses and infuriates me Waivers, Superdraft, International players, Developmental, Generation Adidas, Designated Players, Senior Roster. It's madness I tell you...


The MLS seems to be a make it up as you go along kind of league. They're also stuck between developing/protecting their own decent players and improving the quality vs. selling them to make ends meet . . . . come to think of it, I guess they're all grown up and just like other leagues, just not as talented. As usual I have no point.

I've watched the Premier League for about 15 years and still don't know how transfer fees are calculated (if a word denoting 'intelligent system' can be used to describe that process).

BTW, hope Lincoln pulls its head out. Where do you go if you get relegated from League 2?


Transfer fees are calculated by the club that owns the player registration. They decide how much they want for the player and anyone who wants to buy has to pay that price. The fee can be a straight fee or involve various add-ons based on a few things. It's all based on money, if you've got the money then you can sign the players. Or if you're willing to take the risk of signing players banking on future success to pay the debts then the world is your oyster. Player registration is owned by the teams rather than the league and there's no draft, if you want the best young players then you have to pay for them or put the effort into developing a youth academy.
Plenty of smaller clubs use add-on fees when they sell players to a better team. There are rumours that the Watford (and England U-21) goalkeeper is going to be bought by Spurs, when Watford signed him from Lincoln there was a clause negotiated where Lincoln would 15% of any future fee that Watford receive. Other clauses can be based on a player making a number of appearances for the buying team or being selected for the national team.
It's a bit more complicated for young players and those whose contracts have run out due to the EU's insistance on running everything... Generally thiugh they're available to sign for free, or a tribunal set fee (young players, to compensate the original team for the cost of their early training) for any team when their contract runs out.
The European leagues are generally split into the top (buying) teams and everyone else (the teams who have to sell players to remain in business). Good young players can crop up in any team and generally move up the leagues whilst those who fail to make the grade move down. Lincoln have a fairly good academy and several young players have moved on up in the leagues recently, as well as a few players signed from elsewhere.



If Lincoln don't get themselves sorted then they'll end up in the Blue Square Premier Leage (formerly the Vauxhall Conference). They've been there before, in fact they were the first team to ever be relegated to the conference back in the 80's. It used to be a non-professional league, but there are now several full time teams there due to relegation from the Football League over the years. Apart from a spell of 5 years Lincoln have been a mediocre team as long as I can remember, they were pretty good years ago (the 70's) when Graham Taylor was their manager.

P.S. League 2 is a lie. It's the 4th tier of the English league system, the sponsorship money has led to a ridiculous naming system.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:16:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dixie


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And has anyone noticed how complicated the MLS transfer syatem seems to be?  


The only complication is figuring out how much you need to pay to get what you want.


I've ended up at Seattle on a game, they're terrible and the transfer system confuses and infuriates me Waivers, Superdraft, International players, Developmental, Generation Adidas, Designated Players, Senior Roster. It's madness I tell you...


The MLS seems to be a make it up as you go along kind of league. They're also stuck between developing/protecting their own decent players and improving the quality vs. selling them to make ends meet . . . . come to think of it, I guess they're all grown up and just like other leagues, just not as talented. As usual I have no point.

I've watched the Premier League for about 15 years and still don't know how transfer fees are calculated (if a word denoting 'intelligent system' can be used to describe that process).

BTW, hope Lincoln pulls its head out. Where do you go if you get relegated from League 2?


Transfer fees are calculated by the club that owns the player registration. They decide how much they want for the player and anyone who wants to buy has to pay that price. The fee can be a straight fee or involve various add-ons based on a few things. It's all based on money, if you've got the money then you can sign the players. Or if you're willing to take the risk of signing players banking on future success to pay the debts then the world is your oyster. Player registration is owned by the teams rather than the league and there's no draft, if you want the best young players then you have to pay for them or put the effort into developing a youth academy.
Plenty of smaller clubs use add-on fees when they sell players to a better team. There are rumours that the Watford (and England U-21) goalkeeper is going to be bought by Spurs, when Watford signed him from Lincoln there was a clause negotiated where Lincoln would 15% of any future fee that Watford receive. Other clauses can be based on a player making a number of appearances for the buying team or being selected for the national team.
It's a bit more complicated for young players and those whose contracts have run out due to the EU's insistance on running everything... Generally thiugh they're available to sign for free, or a tribunal set fee (young players, to compensate the original team for the cost of their early training) for any team when their contract runs out.
The European leagues are generally split into the top (buying) teams and everyone else (the teams who have to sell players to remain in business). Good young players can crop up in any team and generally move up the leagues whilst those who fail to make the grade move down. Lincoln have a fairly good academy and several young players have moved on up in the leagues recently, as well as a few players signed from elsewhere.



If Lincoln don't get themselves sorted then they'll end up in the Blue Square Premier Leage (formerly the Vauxhall Conference). They've been there before, in fact they were the first team to ever be relegated to the conference back in the 80's. It used to be a non-professional league, but there are now several full time teams there due to relegation from the Football League over the years. Apart from a spell of 5 years Lincoln have been a mediocre team as long as I can remember, they were pretty good years ago (the 70's) when Graham Taylor was their manager.


Sounds like capitalism at its best or worst. Thanks for the explanation.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:18:04 PM   
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Sounds like capitalism at its best or worst. Thanks for the explanation.



That's the short explantion

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:40:03 PM   
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world is your oyster


Dangerous. I would be tempted to eat it, causing unfathomable metaphysical issues.....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:41:59 PM   
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Switch off Shaun the Sheep kiddies grandpa's going to tell you about a night out in Port Canaveral during The War...


By the way, the guy who sits in the desk next to me says he probably met you back in Port Canaveral in 1985

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:42:04 PM   
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world is your oyster


Dangerous. I would be tempted to eat it, causing unfathomable metaphysical issues.....


Raw. With a twist of lemon.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:43:45 PM   
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Switch off Shaun the Sheep kiddies grandpa's going to tell you about a night out in Port Canaveral during The War...


By the way, the guy who sits in the desk next to me says he probably met you back in Port Canaveral in 1985


I hope I didn't offend him!

Just off thr quay where we mored was a bar, the GReenhouse (?). me and some mates drank a lot at Jonathon's Pub. Still have the t shirt, not sure if the bar's still there tho. met some "interesting" people there.

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RE: LOG! - 12/3/2009 4:47:02 PM   
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I've ended up at Seattle on a game,


then say no more.....you were in Nirvana. Enjoy the buzz and triple your Cappuchino.



Seattle Nirvana The traffic, the rain.......

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:49:42 PM   
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Switch off Shaun the Sheep kiddies grandpa's going to tell you about a night out in Port Canaveral during The War...


By the way, the guy who sits in the desk next to me says he probably met you back in Port Canaveral in 1985


I hope I didn't offend him!

Just off thr quay where we mored was a bar, the GReenhouse (?). me and some mates drank a lot at Jonathon's Pub. Still have the t shirt, not sure if the bar's still there tho. met some "interesting" people there.


The bars are both still there.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:53:52 PM   
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Now there are some war stories I nearly forgot!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:56:26 PM   
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My co-worker has a couple of stories about a Brit crew and a USN crew being in port together............

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 4:56:50 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:01:59 PM   
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My co-worker has a couple of stories about a Brit crew and a USN crew being in port together............


We drank. A lot.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:02:27 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:02:59 PM   
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My co-worker has a couple of stories about a Brit crew and a USN crew being in port together............


We drank. A lot.


Funny that is what he just said

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RE: LOG! - 12/3/2009 5:03:15 PM   
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I've ended up at Seattle on a game,


then say no more.....you were in Nirvana. Enjoy the buzz and triple your Cappuchino.



Seattle Nirvana The traffic, the rain.......


the coffee....the beer.......our winning football team....


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RE: LOG! - 12/3/2009 5:05:17 PM   
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Your football team is winning???????

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:05:19 PM   
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Raw. With a twist of lemon.


Indubitably.

Of course, that describes my existence pretty well too.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:05:33 PM   
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It seemed like a good idea at the time. Everyone thought we were there with a serious job to do. Everyone except the crew that is, especially it appears, the missile crew. Ask him if he remembers Dale and Robbie and Sheepy. They were the FC senior rates.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:08:49 PM   
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Sheepy? Don't believe I want to hear that war story.....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:09:53 PM   
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He remembers no names

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:10:51 PM   
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I suspect his remembery is pretty blank about most of it.....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:11:20 PM   
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Ask him if he remembers the incident with the ankle and the main access hatch.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:12:15 PM   
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And I'm saying nothing else about it.

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RE: LOG! - 12/3/2009 5:12:26 PM   
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Your football team is winning???????


yup, we started our winning streak last sunday vs. a top condender for our division.

next stop the playoffs!

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RE: LOG! - 12/3/2009 5:13:17 PM   
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So, a winning streak of 1 game.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:21:14 PM   
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Hi all,

Just a quick visit...


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: LOG! - 12/3/2009 5:31:02 PM   
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So, a winning streak of 1 game.


yes....and against a high caliber team.




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:46:01 PM   
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Getting into dangerous territory...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/3/2009 5:46:16 PM   
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So, I had better.... 

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