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RE: Multiplayer connections - 5/25/2009 10:12:20 AM   
ifoko

 

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do you and your mates all have the latest directx installed?


yes

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 6/10/2009 5:56:07 AM   
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So why can be a connection established with CC5 (Version 5.01) and not with the TLD?

Same PCs, same settings?


CC5 and TLD/WAR use different versions of DirectX (7 versus 9.0C respectively) and Microsoft changed the required ports for multiplayer when they went from version 7 to 8. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/240429

If you use triggers to open ports on your router you can join a game but not host a game (exception: if you join a game and then host the required ports might still be open).

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 6/10/2009 6:55:17 AM   
Andrew Williams


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Status: offline 		We'll investigate whether a LOG file can be generated.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 6/13/2009 5:30:19 AM   
ifoko

 

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Status: offline 		thx, this is a good idea.

And maybe a PortChecking tool also. Ping/Check each port is needed and show it in a simple window/log.


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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/10/2009 11:08:58 PM   
7A_Bjorn

 

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Status: offline 		I'll ask Gamespy if they can make rooms for TLD and WaR but I think they would take the request more seriously coming from Matrix.  Maybe not we'll see!

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/13/2009 8:19:19 PM   
Iron Stringbean

 

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They seem to support every close combat game except the two new ones. This would be heaven to me if something like this got set up for The Longest Day. I've tried battle HQ several times to no avail, perhaps this would work better.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/21/2009 10:48:11 PM   
Pike


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Status: offline 		War In The Pacific is a superb game. Eagerly await the new Admirals edition.

And about H2H and Battle HQ (B-HQ is a joke)

This is the second game I bought here that Multiplayer isn't working and noone really fixing the problems. If you don't take it seriously don't sell the games. You have to pressure the developers to make a patch if you get alot of people not able to connect H2H. Don't get fustrated on the buyers. If you do the buyers will not buy more games. Simple.
I am used to networks and how it works. This is the second game it's very hard to go H2H on. First game was 'Forge of Freedom' the admin said it was a minor problem only a few players got and he couldn't do anything about it. How good is that?
Got so angry I uninstalled the game.

Please fix this! Contact gamespy. Why should the gamers always be the BETA tester on released games? 

Jonas


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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/21/2009 11:17:53 PM   
Andrew Williams


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Status: offline 		I can't see any of your posts that indicate you have a connection problem.... please elaborate.


this game has used the same connection system since 1997 or thereabouts.

the sytem works and I play  h2h regularly from a variety of locations and computers.

Most peoples problems revolve around them setting up complicated home networks and then not reading the manuals.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 12:28:45 AM   
RD Oddball

 

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Status: offline 		I'll add to that by saying it's usually a driver issue.  That's been the cause of 50% of the problems we've troubleshot.  Update drivers if you're experiencing issues.  A close second, echoing what Andrew said, is router/network/port settings.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 10:23:47 AM   
Pike


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Status: offline 		Ok maybe my opponents didn't do what I told them. SO I can only speak for myself. I have no firewall except Norton '09 (that I disabled totally during the test.) I have latest direct x for XP. (Isn't Direct X10 not only for Windows Vista?)
I can ping my opponent and he can ping me through hamachi. We have the same patches. The new BETA patch... The thing is that we doesn't seem able to find each other.
In the Battle HQ it didn't work either and that thing looks not finnished to me either. Why do you need fix the colours to see what you write or others write????  And what about all these buttons on the left that is linked to nothing????? 

Eric Babe wrote me that Forge of Freedom was a Microsoft problem with TCP/IP... It was send private just not to annoy to many of your forum readers actually. But what is this?
I will for sure delete this posts if you fix the problems or I find that I am totally lost in my head.

Cheers

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 10:25:44 AM   
Pike


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Status: offline 		And I check all the ports with a program!!!

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 10:30:23 AM   
Pike


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tejszd

quote:

ORIGINAL: ifoko
So why can be a connection established with CC5 (Version 5.01) and not with the TLD?

Same PCs, same settings?


CC5 and TLD/WAR use different versions of DirectX (7 versus 9.0C respectively) and Microsoft changed the required ports for multiplayer when they went from version 7 to 8. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/240429

If you use triggers to open ports on your router you can join a game but not host a game (exception: if you join a game and then host the required ports might still be open).




Good you found this. Now the programmers for CC-TLD have to fix the old TCP/IP routines so it will work with todays DirectX . Actually they have only to change ports to make it work???

LOOK here!

Fix it ASAP can't be too heavy. Call Microsoft if you don't know how!

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 10:35:56 AM   
Andrew Williams


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Status: offline 		It does work now - open the ports and allow CCe.exe through your firewall, it couldn't be much simpler than that.


I installed hamachi and it completely destroyed my ability to play on-line.

it's my personal opinion that hamachi is more trouble than it is worth.

use standard TCP/IP connection and/or BHQ and connections should not be a problem.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 10:41:09 AM   
Pike


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ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

It does work now - open the ports and allow CCe.exe through your firewall, it couldn't be much simpler than that.


I installed hamachi and it completely destroyed my ability to play on-line.

it's my personal opinion that hamachi is more trouble than it is worth.

use standard TCP/IP connection and/or BHQ and connections should not be a problem.



Ok I'll try that. I think I delete Hamachi after this as well... lol. But please try fix your Battle-HQ for those that has no idea how networks works. There is simply too many of them out there.

Jonas

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/22/2009 11:41:22 AM   
berndn

 

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Status: offline 		It would be great to have a little utility packaged that run on the user PC and try to establish a connection to a internet server and gives feedback if that works. In a second step the program would submit the public IP to the server and acts as a server where the server tries to act like a client and again the program could give you hints what is working and what not.

Nothing simple but at least it would make it easier to diagnose those network problems a bit.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/23/2009 10:09:18 AM   
ifoko

 

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It does work now - open the ports and allow CCe.exe through your firewall, it couldn't be much simpler than that.


I installed hamachi and it completely destroyed my ability to play on-line.

it's my personal opinion that hamachi is more trouble than it is worth.

use standard TCP/IP connection and/or BHQ and connections should not be a problem.



Unfortunatly this is not true.

I have tested a lot, have all ports open,... old CC5 works fine, TLD and WaR make usally problems.

I think the problem is ignored, we can only guess whats wrong, no log file,.... No little Ports test tool,...

No patch,...


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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/23/2009 12:34:15 PM   
RD Oddball

 

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Status: offline 		The patch is in beta testing for Matrix Club members.  I'll have the programmer look at this again to see if he has any additional input.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/23/2009 10:58:14 PM   
SteveMcClaire

 

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Status: offline 		I appreciate that getting connected to other players on the internet can be a complicated and frustrating procedure, especially when it is supposed to be so simple and lots of other people tell you 'works fine for me!' But  we have not seen any problems with TLD or WaR multi-player connections that were caused by an actual bug in the game itself.

The original game "Close Combat 5" was created with an older version of Microsoft DirectPlay.  Close Combat: Wacht am Rhein and The Longest Day both use Microsoft DirectPlay8.  Both versions of DirectPlay work fine, but they are different versions and require a different configuration.

If you have the original CC5 and you've successfully played it multi-player over the internet, obviously you have already configured your machine to have the correct ports open for the older version of DirectPlay used in CC5.  These are not the same ports as DirectPlay8 uses.  So just because the original CC5 works fine does not mean you have your machine configured correctly for DirectPlay8.  The difference is discussed in the Microsoft article someone already linked to -- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/240429 -- More specifically, the initial connection ports for the two versions of DirectPlay has changed:

DirectPlay7 and older: Port 47624 TCP
DirectPlay8: Port 6073 UDP

So if you can host CC5 and players can find your game, but other players can not find your host game with TLD, it is pretty likely that TCP port 47624 is open but UDP port 6073 is blocked.

In general, the two main issues are:

1) Not entering the correct IP address for the host: To join you need to know the external IP address of the player who is going to be the host.  If the host is behind a router then this is the IP address of his router, not the IP address of his machine.  As already pointed out, CC TLD/WaR may not show your external IP address in the game when you start hosting -- the game does try to figure out which of the possible IP addresses is the correct one, but there are many possible configurations and it does not get it right 100% of the time. Consult the documentation for your router to find out how to determine your external IP address if there's any doubt.  Also, if you're using a forwarding service (like Hamachi) the person joining the game needs to use the IP address that Hamachi assigned to the host, not the address of the hosts machine or router.

2) Ports being blocked by a router or local firewall: Even if the joining player uses the correct IP address for the host player, they will not find anything when they search for available games if the necessary ports are blocked by the host's router or firewall.  Note that Vista has a software firewall that is on by default -- to configure this go to your Control Panel and double click Windows Firewall.  Make sure you already have an exception for "Close Combat Engine Executable" and that it points to your CC TLD install.  If not (or you just want to experiment) make sure you open ports 6073 and 2300-2400 for UDP. For testing purposes you might even turn Windows Firewall off completely and see if the joining player can see you then.

As for the game reporting an error message, it will do so if a DirectPlay call actually fails with an error.  However, if DirectPlay just returns without finding any available games to connect to, that's not an error situation.  I will look and see if we can get any additional diagnostic info out of DirectPlay, for a future update / version.




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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/24/2009 10:03:19 AM   
Pike


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Status: offline 		Ifoko... we should try set up a game. Ok? Right now I find it very hard to test CC-TLD because it's so hard to find any with the game. The Battle Hq is totally dead (looks half finnished anyway  )and what do you do when Matrix isn't recommending Hamachi to play on.

Hey Admin... why do you have Battle HQ? It seems like a waste of resources if you don't make it hotter!

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/24/2009 10:14:19 AM   
Andrew Williams


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Status: offline 		BHQ works fine.

it has been around and working for close combat for over six years (can't remember exactly when it started)


I've tried installing Hamachi 3 times on different computers, each time it has completely frazzled my ability to play CC H2H.... other people reckon it's great.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/24/2009 10:54:16 AM   
chopper8ac

 

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Status: offline 		I think Battle HQ is great. I feel its my private site since so few people frequent it, makes me wonder why? All my games have breen thru this room and have met some great people in it. Reminds me of the old MSN Zone lol. Unlike the zone, HQ doesn't launch the game from the game room. One must give opponent IP number, then we leave HQ and play. We come back to HQ if there are any problems, but this is rare. Generally, best to use Int-TCP option in H2H play. Don't know much about Hamachi but play people who have it-think they turn off Hamachis ports routers or whatever.Just my two cents on Battle HQ- not being utilized by the CC tld players.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/24/2009 12:34:27 PM   
Andrew Williams


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Status: offline 		BHq will launch all CloseCombat games after Host hits the launch button in BHQ

The client (joining player) should navigate to the multiplayer screen after game launches and hit ctrl-V to paste in the Hosts IP to the "Host IP address" input box.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 7/24/2009 4:01:41 PM   
Pike


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Status: offline 		Perfect. Ok start get players there so I can play!

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 8/8/2009 7:31:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		First of all Hello everyone. Ive been playing CC since CC2 and really love it and this Longest Days seems pretty good.

Now, ive been unable to play with TCP or UDP, simply cant find the other guy. With Hamachi however, we can connect and actually play, but after like 10 seconds the connection is lost .  Any idea?

Have the ports open and gaming mode enabled in AVG Firewall (works for IL2/Call of Duty/RFactor (with Hamachi)).


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RE: Multiplayer connections - 8/10/2009 11:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, fixed the problem. I was using the AVG Internet Security Firewall with Gaming Mode Enabled. It worked for all the games, but had to shut it down to play this. Now is working.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 12/7/2009 9:49:20 PM   
socks

 

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Status: offline 		I have a hosting issue. Played for for some months mutiplayer sort of ok on tcp (some con issues and messing about in windows, ports etc)

I applied the patch and we connected ok for a session or two, but now my game now hangs after I click 'Host a game' and i have to ctrl+alt+delete out.

Any ideas?

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 12/7/2009 10:30:13 PM   
socks

 

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Status: offline 		I found the source of the problem. I disabled the AVG Link Scanner and the game started to host.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 12/8/2009 6:42:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you need to know your correct IP- you can check it at www.speedtest.net.
It'll give you your upload and dl speeds and you can also check your ping there.

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 12/11/2009 11:27:44 PM   
socks

 

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RE: Multiplayer connections - 12/12/2009 2:14:12 AM   
Andrew Williams


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Status: offline 		Then you have or something has changed your system settings.


The game doesn't alter it's settings randomly so it is some other part of your sytem altering settings.

< Message edited by Andrew Williams -- 12/12/2009 2:15:58 AM >

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