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ORIGINAL: pacificbetta

I am working on the various aspects of Japan economy before starting a game proper and found out the following, someone please point out where I went wrong

For scenario 1, at start Japan has approximately
Engine production 315 (x18 for HI points)
a/c production (engine equivalent) 354 (x18 for HI points)
Veh production 72 (x6 for HI points)
Arms production 620 (x6 for HI points)
Merchant Shipyard 807 (x3 for HI points)
Naval Shipyard 1384 (x3 for HI points)
Current HI base 6950

Now without expanding any factory capacity, Japan has a HI need of 22,000 + while only generating only 13900 point of it. That means Japan needs to add almost 5000 HI factory to the home island right off the bat? I am sure this is the wrong conclusion, but I cannot find out where I went wrong with the calculations.

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ORIGINAL: pacificbetta

I am working on the various aspects of Japan economy before starting a game proper and found out the following, someone please point out where I went wrong

For scenario 1, at start Japan has approximately
Engine production 315 (x18 for HI points)
a/c production (engine equivalent) 354 (x18 for HI points)
Veh production 72 (x6 for HI points)
Arms production 620 (x6 for HI points)
Merchant Shipyard 807 (x3 for HI points)
Naval Shipyard 1384 (x3 for HI points)
Current HI base 6950

Now without expanding any factory capacity, Japan has a HI need of 22,000 + while only generating only 13900 point of it. That means Japan needs to add almost 5000 HI factory to the home island right off the bat? I am sure this is the wrong conclusion, but I cannot find out where I went wrong with the calculations.

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ORIGINAL: findmeifyoucan

You are forgetting that there is a huge amount of stockpile of HI to start the game so you have a while before you start running out. Just keep in mind not to spend it all at once as you are running at a deficit to start the game.

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ORIGINAL: findmeifyoucan

Do you think it is that important to expand the ship yards rather than to put it into more air power?

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ORIGINAL: pacificbetta

Ok, I "think" I am almost done with the planning stage of the Japan economy before I go into detailed tactical planning and after which I can kick off my first ever game. I was wondering of the following factory sizes I have planned for is adequate.

Japan aircraft/engine
Zero 100 (1942) => 125 (1943) => 175 (1944)
Kate (replaced by Jill later) 30 (1942) => 40 (mid 43)
Val (replaced by Judy later) 30 (1942) => 40 (1944)
Nell/Betty 40 (all the way)
Oscar (replaced by Tojo later) 30 (until mid 43)
Frank 140 (with a massive 120 research factory dedicated to it, I am hopeful it becomes available from late 43)
Land based IJA bombers 40

I also intended to expand naval shipyards by 100, and merchant ship yards by 300. I thought I calculated the HI that Jap have and it can support these expansions. My chief concern is the weak IJA fighter support until Frank comes online. Is that cutting things too thin? Dive bomber and torpedo bombers also appear a little light weight imho.

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Your A6M2 replacement seems low too. You will have LBA A6M2 units, carrier aircraft replacements, ops losses and Claude upgrades to contend with. I'm pulling slightly ahead at 185 a/c per month right now.

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ORIGINAL: pacificbetta

First of all, thanks for all the feedback.

Ok, from the posts so far, I assume my air production is set too low. I will relook at the numbers and crunch a new set out. Looks like I do need to expand the HI of Japan to host the new airplane numbers if I need to double oscar/nell numbers. Personally I hate to expand Oscars since they (and the Tojos) use Ha35 engines and eventually they will upgrade to Frank which uses Ha45 engines. Makes a big mess in swapping the engine production (compounded by the fact that Ha35 is a massive and cumbersome factory that you cannot really switch)

arms/veh factory: expanded already in my plans. Veh to 72=> 111, Arms 620 => 690. From your posts I take it that I need to expand arms factory more, my original thoughts were that I had sufficient numbers there.

Nells/Betty: 40 is the total for both airframes

a/c Engines: Yes, I made sure there was a parallel increase the engines needed. Did a detailed analysis matching engines numbers to needs every month till end of the war.

Shipyard expansions: I kind of felt my numbers were a little low tbh. Cannot get much done even with these expansions......

Zeroes:

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Your A6M2 replacement seems low too. You will have LBA A6M2 units, carrier aircraft replacements, ops losses and Claude upgrades to contend with. I'm pulling slightly ahead at 185 a/c per month right now.

Which year are you in now?

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

pacificbetta

Just some numbers in my PBEM for you to consider too. I'm new to the game, so take my 2 cents worth with a grain of salt, but I think a lot of new Japanese players really underestimate the amount of plane production they'll need. Here's where I sit in my game as the Japanese in terms of the major planes being produced, and note this game is with PDU off, so imagine if you were free to upgrade most units to say Zero's for example where you'd be.

This is as of Jan 10/42.

A6M2 Zero's In pool = 9 Production = 89x(147) brackets are factory expanding values yet to repair
Val's In pool = 3 Production = 36x(60)
B5N2 Kate's In Pool = 1 Production = 33x(95)
Ki-43-Ic Oscar's In Pool = 26 Production = 69x(83)
Betty's In Pool = 4 Production = 50x(0)
Nell's In Pool 64 Production = 38x(6)

So you can see I have almost nothing in the pools and I have not upgraded a lot of Nate, Claude, or Jean's squadrons yet. Factor in combat losses on top of upgrading and you can see there's a huge shortage of aircraft right now. I'll know in hindsight if I increased production too soon, but starting with small factory upgrades won't come close to producing what's needed. Hope this helps.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

pacificbetta

Just some numbers in my PBEM for you to consider too. I'm new to the game, so take my 2 cents worth with a grain of salt, but I think a lot of new Japanese players really underestimate the amount of plane production they'll need. Here's where I sit in my game as the Japanese in terms of the major planes being produced, and note this game is with PDU off, so imagine if you were free to upgrade most units to say Zero's for example where you'd be.

This is as of Jan 10/42.

A6M2 Zero's In pool = 9 Production = 89x(147) brackets are factory expanding values yet to repair
Val's In pool = 3 Production = 36x(60)
B5N2 Kate's In Pool = 1 Production = 33x(95)
Ki-43-Ic Oscar's In Pool = 26 Production = 69x(83)
Betty's In Pool = 4 Production = 50x(0)
Nell's In Pool 64 Production = 38x(6)

So you can see I have almost nothing in the pools and I have not upgraded a lot of Nate, Claude, or Jean's squadrons yet. Factor in combat losses on top of upgrading and you can see there's a huge shortage of aircraft right now. I'll know in hindsight if I increased production too soon, but starting with small factory upgrades won't come close to producing what's needed. Hope this helps.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

Pompack,

Thanks for the information, I'll limit my expansion now to make sure I don't over tax it until I see whether I can sustain it. One thing though, is there a way to set the actual number of points you want a factory to expand by? For example, my Kate production is too high now that I look at it, but when I choose to expand that factory again the AI tells you how much it is going to expand by, I wanted more Kates and the option at the time was doubling the production, that was the option it gave me. Can you overide the amount the AI sets to expand a factory by? You mentioned only expanding by 5 points or so at a time, how do you do that?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

Pompack,

Thanks for the information, I'll limit my expansion now to make sure I don't over tax it until I see whether I can sustain it. One thing though, is there a way to set the actual number of points you want a factory to expand by? For example, my Kate production is too high now that I look at it, but when I choose to expand that factory again the AI tells you how much it is going to expand by, I wanted more Kates and the option at the time was doubling the production, that was the option it gave me. Can you overide the amount the AI sets to expand a factory by? You mentioned only expanding by 5 points or so at a time, how do you do that?

Under patch II, you can identify factories on your industry screen and increase size by units of 1.

In your situation, the damage (overexpansion) is likely done and probably cannot be feasibly undone. I'd turn the factories off once I got the pool I wanted so as not to overproduce redundant airframes.

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ORIGINAL: pompack

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

Pompack,

Thanks for the information, I'll limit my expansion now to make sure I don't over tax it until I see whether I can sustain it. One thing though, is there a way to set the actual number of points you want a factory to expand by? For example, my Kate production is too high now that I look at it, but when I choose to expand that factory again the AI tells you how much it is going to expand by, I wanted more Kates and the option at the time was doubling the production, that was the option it gave me. Can you overide the amount the AI sets to expand a factory by? You mentioned only expanding by 5 points or so at a time, how do you do that?

Under patch II, you can identify factories on your industry screen and increase size by units of 1.

In your situation, the damage (overexpansion) is likely done and probably cannot be feasibly undone. I'd turn the factories off once I got the pool I wanted so as not to overproduce redundant airframes.

Actually very little damage has been done as yet. Just stop REPAIRING selected factories if supply gets tight. It only costs 100 supply/point to actually EXPAND (which you have done) but it cost 1000 supply/point to REPAIR (which you have not done much as yet). I would suggest using WitPStaff (or Tracker) to watch it since the supply numbers in the in-game reports do not allow for supply loaded on ships while WitPStaff includes all supply in the totals. Also it provides a history graph to watch trends

Planning supply use is tricky since there is no way to really predict how much will be used in one day: you may or may not repair any given factory or resource/oil center, any given LCU may or may not fight , any given a/c may or may not fly, etc. WitP Staff computes a six-day moving average of supply consumption (among other things) that at least gives you some idea of instantaneous consumption to compare against daily production.

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ORIGINAL: findmeifyoucan

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I do have a question though? How do you increase your R & D development or speed it up rather for any particular engine or aircraft?

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ORIGINAL: pacificbetta

I did some basic maths and found that the Japanese economy (HI + LI) consumes about 11000 oil/fuel to run at full capacity. This is without significant expansion of the basic HI infrastructure. Note also that this does not account for military usage.

Now, if we total the oil/fuel in the DEI, it comes to about 10-11k oil+fuel too. Am I correct the say that:
1. Japan is effectively condemed to having fuel crisis even without military intervension from the allies.
2. Japan has to somehow slavage the exsiting (read: captured from alllies) stock piles and use this for military use?
3. There really is not much point to increase HI since we all expact Japan to be crippled in late 44/45 onwards, especially with interdiction on the fuel/oil toute. (I was a proponent on increasing HI until i realise this issue about not haveing that much oil/fuel locations in the map.

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ORIGINAL: pacificbetta

I did some basic maths and found that the Japanese economy (HI + LI) consumes about 11000 oil/fuel to run at full capacity. This is without significant expansion of the basic HI infrastructure. Note also that this does not account for military usage.

Now, if we total the oil/fuel in the DEI, it comes to about 10-11k oil+fuel too. Am I correct the say that:
1. Japan is effectively condemed to having fuel crisis even without military intervension from the allies.
2. Japan has to somehow slavage the exsiting (read: captured from alllies) stock piles and use this for military use?
3. There really is not much point to increase HI since we all expact Japan to be crippled in late 44/45 onwards, especially with interdiction on the fuel/oil toute. (I was a proponent on increasing HI until i realise this issue about not haveing that much oil/fuel locations in the map.