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RE: Avatar - 1/4/2010 7:24:50 PM   
leastonh1


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Scientology

Now, that's a word guaranteed to bring something really contentious to any debate. Can open....worms everywhere.

Buy a copy of The Complex by John Duignan. Very disturbing! The book cannot be sold in England.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 10:57:41 AM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 11:12:56 AM   
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Why can't it be sold over here....... is it another slap in the face for free speech?

Apparently the organisation in question got an injunction against sales in England. Fat lot of good it did them though as I got mine from eason.ie (the Irish based book seller). I wonder if they've heard of the Internet? Seems a bit pointless to block sales of a book in one country when you can simply order from any other. Doh!

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 11:50:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		For what it is worth, in my opinion an excellent and entertaining movie. Why does there have to be an in depth analytical dissection of every thing in today's age, why can't we see things for they are designed to do? In this instance to entertain. If you are wanting to spend a few bucks on entertainment go and see it. Life is too short to look ink splashes on paper.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 2:23:24 PM   
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For what it is worth, in my opinion an excellent and entertaining movie. Why does there have to be an in depth analytical dissection of every thing in today's age, why can't we see things for they are designed to do? In this instance to entertain. If you are wanting to spend a few bucks on entertainment go and see it. Life is too short to look ink splashes on paper.


Well actually the man that made it DID have an ulterior motive, but fortunately most Americans can ignore that and just enjoy the good movie.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 2:57:39 PM   
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I paid £8 - saw a great movie with a great story and great CGI...couldn't be happier.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 3:02:04 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 3:20:30 PM   
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I paid £8 - saw a great movie with a great story and great CGI...couldn't be happier.


Should have gone on Orange Wednesday mate.... Don't really like wearing the 3D specs when I already wear glasses. If the snow stops thinking of re watching it tomorrow, followed by a Nandos. May even sit there watching for the subliminal messages or more probably I'll just sit back and enjoy the experience again.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 3:47:50 PM   
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I paid £8 - saw a great movie with a great story and great CGI...couldn't be happier.


Should have gone on Orange Wednesday mate.... Don't really like wearing the 3D specs when I already wear glasses. If the snow stops thinking of re watching it tomorrow, followed by a Nandos. May even sit there watching for the subliminal messages or more probably I'll just sit back and enjoy the experience again.


Nothing subliminal about any of the messages, BUT if you are a sci fi fan easily ignored or even un noticed cause you are just enjoying the movie.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 8:06:44 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 8:19:06 PM   
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Why does there have to be an in depth analytical dissection of every thing in today's age, why can't we see things for they are designed to do? In this instance to entertain.


I'm not sure at all. If you ask the majority of Hollywood directors, they will insist they are not simply there to make a buck and keep the masses entertained, but also to inform, challenge, and enlighten. In other words, they think of themselves as serious artists (and IMHO, some of them are). I'd bet Cameron is one of that group.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 9:18:05 PM   
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Why does there have to be an in depth analytical dissection of every thing in today's age, why can't we see things for they are designed to do? In this instance to entertain.


I'm not sure at all. If you ask the majority of Hollywood directors, they will insist they are not simply there to make a buck and keep the masses entertained, but also to inform, challenge, and enlighten. In other words, they think of themselves as serious artists (and IMHO, some of them are). I'd bet Cameron is one of that group.

But I do not give them the time of day as informers or enlighteners...their movies are there for me to like or dislike - and I will like or dislike them based on the story and directorship.

I'm afraid all their attempts to get me to understand the problems in the world are completely and totally lost on me and they've wasted their time (with me). I understand why people saw Dances with Wolves in this film. I understand why people saw an anti war movie and I understand why people saw a "USA v Indian" story - I didn't and I enjoyed it immensely. Kids loved it too and, thank god, they didn't come out with any worldly wise (Hollywood style) enlightenment...they simply saw a good movie.

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RE: Avatar - 1/5/2010 11:08:01 PM   
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Sounds swell!

Planning to watch it with the gang at the Bijou.

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RE: Avatar - 1/6/2010 3:45:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		It proves once again that great special graphic effects do not a great movie. It does prove you can make big bucks without making a good film but have great graphic's and 3D. Quality of the film itself has little effect on the amount of money a film makes. The
guys that do the advertising are king now and how good the film really is matters not.
When you see this film ask yourself "How good would it be without the special effects and graphic's?

Madsgamer

BTW the game got poor reviews also

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RE: Avatar - 1/6/2010 3:50:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		What great special effects? It is a cartoon. Nothing in this thing looks like anything but a cartoon. It is a computer generated Bambi meets Dances with Wolves.

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RE: Avatar - 1/6/2010 3:56:04 AM   
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Madgamer

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RE: Avatar - 1/6/2010 4:08:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gee, it is just a fun movie to watch with groundbreaking 3D special effects.  The effects themselves are beautiful.  Other than that it is just another variation on a simple action romance story that's been told a thousand times before.  Dances with Wolves.  King Arthur.  Etc.  I also think there is one outstanding acting performance, and that is Stephen Lang as the colonel.  

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RE: Avatar - 1/8/2010 4:28:22 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/8/2010 4:47:20 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/10/2010 4:43:32 AM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/11/2010 5:23:05 AM   
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Some of you will LOVE this




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RE: Avatar - 1/11/2010 1:33:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I finally saw the movie and is well worth seeing. A decent evenings entertainment. Not sure why people thing they are smart by trying bring down the experience.

I put the unhappy people posting in this thread as nothing more then either a guilty conscience or people with too little imagination and too much anger at the world. Their loss.

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RE: Avatar - 1/11/2010 7:50:39 PM   
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Well I finally saw the movie and is well worth seeing. A decent evenings entertainment. Not sure why people thing they are smart by trying bring down the experience.

I put the unhappy people posting in this thread as nothing more then either a guilty conscience or people with too little imagination and too much anger at the world. Their loss.


Or I just don't like the way James Cameron writes a scripts...which really was my issue with the movie.

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RE: Avatar - 1/11/2010 11:52:03 PM   
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Why can't it be sold over here....... is it another slap in the face for free speech?

Apparently the organisation in question got an injunction against sales in England. Fat lot of good it did them though as I got mine from eason.ie (the Irish based book seller). I wonder if they've heard of the Internet? Seems a bit pointless to block sales of a book in one country when you can simply order from any other. Doh!



Ok, I have to admit I'm curious about this "issue" with Scientology. What's the rub all about ? I don't have any bias, I just haven't heard of this before.


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RE: Avatar - 1/12/2010 1:56:46 AM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html

Idiots.  Dysfunctional idiots.  It's just a movie.  (I would write that last sentence in all caps with an angry smiley, but that would just be tacky.)

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RE: Avatar - 1/16/2010 11:13:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Geez. I think some of you are looking way too deep into this. I saw it and loved it. I didn't see any politics or religion or racism or any of that junk. Just a fun packed 3 hours with lots of special effects and battle scenes. I saw it twice too! Come on, you're expecting a good solid plot from a sci-fi action film? I enjoyed it for what it was.

I remember when the movie 300 came out people in this same forum were complaining that it wasn't realistic even though it was a fantasy movie.


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RE: Avatar - 1/16/2010 7:03:01 PM   
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RE: Avatar - 1/17/2010 4:11:59 AM   
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I think some of you are looking way too deep into this. I saw it and loved it. I didn't see any politics or religion or racism or any of that junk.


Trust me -- the politics at least was there.

And did you notice that things ended badly for nearly everybody except the hero and heroine? Lots of deaths on both sides, including all but one of the hero's friends. And let's not forget that, in the background, Earth is doomed.

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RE: Avatar - 1/17/2010 4:28:05 AM   
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I think some of you are looking way too deep into this. I saw it and loved it. I didn't see any politics or religion or racism or any of that junk.


Trust me -- the politics at least was there.

And did you notice that things ended badly for nearly everybody except the hero and heroine? Lots of deaths on both sides, including all but one of the hero's friends. And let's not forget that, in the background, Earth is doomed.



But it was just a movie. Made in Hollywood. With special effects. Not real life. So what if everyone suffered except for the hero and heroine? And his friends went down fighting too. Why? Because it's an action movie. Not to be taken seriously, which a lot of people on this forum are.

I saw it as a kick butt action film and I enjoyed it.

I still say people are looking way too deep into this.

I love the colonel! It's a shame he was on the wrong side. Did the actor that played him ever play in any other movies? Heck, I can't check because I don't know his name. I wonder if a cast list exist somewhere on the internet.

Also, I want to say that I like your quotation in your sig!

< Message edited by ilovestrategy -- 1/17/2010 4:29:27 AM >

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RE: Avatar - 1/17/2010 7:55:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed - great movie if you can detach from RL for 3 hours - but some can't, so I can leave it like that. I didn't waste £30 and I'm not likely to waste it again when I take the wife and kids to see it again.

And the colonel was only good because]/i] of the side he was on. Though it would've been interesting to see him on the other side.

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