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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/8/2010 4:50:31 AM   
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Resources

Wow, after we upgraded from 1080 to 109x I see 2M plus resources in Port Arthur and 300K in Hong Kong, guess those were further inland prior to the new supply rules kicking in. I'm forming up some new fleets of AK to go get them.

Luzon
We're gradually pulling out the 14 Army from Manilla some are headed to Nik in CENPAC and some are headed to me in the SRA.

Kuriles
Just spent 18xx PP to free up the 14ID. We will send this unit to the Kuriles.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/8/2010 7:58:07 AM   
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Resources

Wow, after we upgraded from 1080 to 109x I see 2M plus resources in Port Arthur and 300K in Hong Kong, guess those were further inland prior to the new supply rules kicking in. I'm forming up some new fleets of AK to go get them.

Luzon
We're gradually pulling out the 14 Army from Manilla some are headed to Nik in CENPAC and some are headed to me in the SRA.

Kuriles
Just spent 18xx PP to free up the 14ID. We will send this unit to the Kuriles.






thought you are playing with 1.1 already?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/9/2010 2:01:50 AM   
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What? No new fancy WIDE-SCREEN screen shots for us?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/12/2010 4:01:33 AM   
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China

We're chasing little units back and forth in Southern China and still pounding on the surrounded beseiging stack at Hankow. One day maybe they will run out of supplies but not yet.

Arafura Area
Kendari is the major supporting base, we're trying to accumulate a few engineer units here - but there aren't many to accumulate. Then we will try to trickle them down to Timor and Kai Island, etc.

Burma
The evacuation continues - some units are moving back to Moulmein fairly quickly - others seem stuck in the jungle.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/12/2010 1:40:05 PM   
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Whats happening at sea. Cent Pac and North Pac?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/12/2010 4:21:30 PM   
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Those are Admiral Nik-a-moto's areas - he is mysterious in his ways - and infrequent in his reports!


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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/13/2010 4:19:04 AM   
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Sumatra

I think this is the first Submarine I've sunk in the game using surface forces!





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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/15/2010 12:24:40 AM   
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China

Still chasing small units around in Southern China - still trying to run the surrounded Chinese at Hankow out of supplies - the "counter seige" seems to be running about as long as the "seige" did!

Burma
Our evacuation continues - the Allies are hot on our heels. We will try to delay along the Thai border and thence back towards Bangkok. We hope the Tojos will come in soon enough to at least help defend the rear areas against unescorted bombers.

Timor Area
We're slowly building up. But I fear our "10 guys with 5 trowels" will be overwhelmed once the Allies show up with their "10,000 guys with 5,000 bull dozers".

Sumatra
We've finally gathered enough force (1 Infantry Regiment, 1 Tank Battalion, 1 SNLF Battalion) to make a second attempt on Medan. If we succeed, maybe we can capture all of Sumatra below the Allies come back with a Corps sized landing!



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/17/2010 4:07:37 PM   
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Those are Admiral Nik-a-moto's areas - he is mysterious in his ways - and infrequent in his reports!



yup. Not much happening.

Adak operation was doomed pretty much from the start but we gave it the college try.....telephone stack was too big as i suspected and would have required at least 4 full divisions to have a chance....+ the devestation of the arty pre-patch put us on our heels with huge casualties daily. While we tried to build up our own arty the boys from Oz began the tried and true method of magi-lift(tm) and flew in a good bulk from an additional regiment and BN and harrassed us day and night with magi-PT's which caused our TF's to expend op points, fuel and ammo. All we had to counter with was KB which was badly depleated in the process. We had full sea control the whole time....yet could not prevent the reinforcement nor stop the PT attacks. (after discussion, our generous opponents agreed to cease PT ops as it had gotten to the point of sillyness)

Adak now serves as a distraction and sacrficial alter while I preform the equivilent of what Joe-san is doing in Burma.....withdrawing back towards the Empire. With level 6-8 airbases in place at Darwin and the two bases NW of Port Morosby (and a developed PM itself), the entire of NG is compromised and untendable. The outer mandates serve no purpose now so we are pulling back to a line at Saipan and Guam. The Solomons are half evacuated and once completed Rabaul will be abandoned before the Allied air-mensch starts working on it as it did Hollandia. It hurts having to sacrifice two divisions but if it gives us time to build a new defense line, then it will be worth it.




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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/17/2010 11:18:33 PM   
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Guys
This is a pretty radical strategy. Strategic withdrawal in mid '42 to the inner defence perimeter. Do you have a calculated logic to this. You think defending that line before the Allies can grind you down on the outer perimeter is going to be more successful? Really interested to hear what you are thinking.
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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/18/2010 2:04:08 AM   
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Well the strategy needs to be aligned with the rules of the game.

Up to a couple of weeks ago, we were playing with the 1080 build and in Burma entire LCU were were being regularly vaporized by relatively meger early war Allied air attacks. Several battalion and brigade sized units were 100% destroyed by air attack alone dispite being non-moving in Jungle many hexes from the enemy.

Attempts to use fighters (Oscars) to defend the Burma mid-lands merely got Chutai after Chutai torn up by the unescorted Allied bombers. Unescorted B-17s can chew up 1-2 Chutai per turn for instance.

So these "rules of the game" lead to a clear need to pull back to avoid losing divisions - and actually I came very close to losing one - but did manage to get it out.

Subsequently - the rules have changed - as we've upgraded our game as a part of testing the patch 03 builds. Now our LCU may be able to survive in the Jungle. However, nothing has changed to improve our air defense prospects. Our only hope there is that the Tojos will buy us some time once they show up.

In WITP, playing the Japanese is a delaying game. How long can you hold out? That is no different in AE - but in our AE game at least - the "end game" has started much earlier than I have ever seen in WITP - April 1942 - but we go to war with the rules of the game we are issued!



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/18/2010 8:25:44 AM   
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Well the strategy needs to be aligned with the rules of the game.

Up to a couple of weeks ago, we were playing with the 1080 build and in Burma entire LCU were were being regularly vaporized by relatively meger early war Allied air attacks. Several battalion and brigade sized units were 100% destroyed by air attack alone dispite being non-moving in Jungle many hexes from the enemy.

Attempts to use fighters (Oscars) to defend the Burma mid-lands merely got Chutai after Chutai torn up by the unescorted Allied bombers. Unescorted B-17s can chew up 1-2 Chutai per turn for instance.

So these "rules of the game" lead to a clear need to pull back to avoid losing divisions - and actually I came very close to losing one - but did manage to get it out.

Subsequently - the rules have changed - as we've upgraded our game as a part of testing the patch 03 builds. Now our LCU may be able to survive in the Jungle. However, nothing has changed to improve our air defense prospects. Our only hope there is that the Tojos will buy us some time once they show up.

In WITP, playing the Japanese is a delaying game. How long can you hold out? That is no different in AE - but in our AE game at least - the "end game" has started much earlier than I have ever seen in WITP - April 1942 - but we go to war with the rules of the game we are issued!





My PBEM hasn´t upgraded to the beta patch but the latest official patch and both my opponent´s and my airforce is absolutely unable to harm ground troops. You have to be lucky to cause two dozen casualties if you send out 150 Allied bombers (the crappy British and Australian ones) from India against a single TK rgt sitting next to Akyab. And I wouldn´t dare to use my B-17 to attack a heavily capped target (by Oscars) because even if I wouldn´t suffer halve or most of the bombers being shot down, I would still lose far more than I get as replacements. And every US bomber is worth halve a squadron of bombers in WITP it seems as it will take me until mid 44 to more or less fill out my squadrons.

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Guys
This is a pretty radical strategy. Strategic withdrawal in mid '42 to the inner defence perimeter. Do you have a calculated logic to this. You think defending that line before the Allies can grind you down on the outer perimeter is going to be more successful? Really interested to hear what you are thinking.
Regards
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The logic is that, China excepted...the situation we are facing in the Pacific is equivilent to a year later than the actual date. Joe and I tend to favor 'historical' flavored approaches so enshewed risky or gamey tactics in favor of a studied, careful approach. (an example would be the oft mentioned "lunge" technique whereby a Japan player quickly tries to take the outermost objectives first, then work their way back before an Allied player can employ hindsight and assets to key bases that were later points of contention and/or value)

With AE's expansion of the # of bases in the SRA in particular, coupled with the aggressive play of our opponents we quickly fell behind schedule and have never gained back the lost time. During said time our opponents quickly and efficiently 'telephone poled' key bases in Northern Oz....Suva, Adak, New Guneau and Burma. By the time our hands were largely freed of the SRA campaign objectives, these bases were so secure as to require each, a maximum effort on our part to take any 'one' of them. The only bright point to the campaign was the Timor operation....really their only mistake.

We chose Adak because of the tendancy for RT to attack Northern Japan and the game 'does' provide an easy short cut allow such a strategy to succeed. Adak was a means of preventing this but ultimately failed as the Allies were too dug in and had PT's. Now all we can do is fortify the Kuriles and make any attempts there to build 4E bases costly. In NG....PM and two former dot/level 1 bases have all been built up to level 4-6 airfields and with the power of B-17's, control all the air around NG, even reaching distant Hollandia. Coupled with the fact that Darwin is a level 8 airbase and telephone poled, we figure that that is the best shortest path back for RT to take. (and there are so many level 4 capable bases there to capture....we can't garrison them all) This makes the entire NG/Solomons region superfulous so we are abandoning it and denying them a chance to attrit us further. This leaves CENTPAC. Again....with their intensions pretty apparant, leaving substantial forces around Kwaj. will only make their job easier come 43 (which at this rate will feel like 44 for us) so we are consolidating our defenses around our one partially intact advantage....our carrier groups.

Will it work? probably not. Allied bombers in AE are more formidable than in stock so unless we have massive CAP's we won't stand much chance. But with the arty tone down....maybe we can make it costly and win a few more naval victories. But to max that chance we need to remove ourselves from nearby land bases than harbor lots of big bombers. We can do that in the CENTPac......Burma is more of a problem here. Joe's in charge there though so i'll let him wax poetic on the withdrawl strategy there in the face of the Allied air onslaught (led by the level 8 base at Akyab)

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/18/2010 7:45:59 PM   
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My PBEM hasn´t upgraded to the beta patch but the latest official patch and both my opponent´s and my airforce is absolutely unable to harm ground troops. You have to be lucky to cause two dozen casualties if you send out 150 Allied bombers (the crappy British and Australian ones) from India against a single TK rgt sitting next to Akyab. And I wouldn´t dare to use my B-17 to attack a heavily capped target (by Oscars) because even if I wouldn´t suffer halve or most of the bombers being shot down, I would still lose far more than I get as replacements. And every US bomber is worth halve a squadron of bombers in WITP it seems as it will take me until mid 44 to more or less fill out my squadrons.

I have similar experiences. I tried to fly unescorted B-17s against a target that I knew had Zero CAP just once, after seeing, how such raids sort of work for AI. I lost 8 planes, out of, IIRC, slightly less than twenty, more than half of my monthly production, with most crashing on the return trip. I decided that my 4Es are too precious for throwing them way. That was under patch 2 with all of hotfixes installed.

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/19/2010 12:03:36 AM   
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I am not sure this tactic isn't the correct one (forgive the double negative) even if your initial assault had been more effective. Fighting over useless outer islands doesn't achieve much in strategic terms and you don't necessarily need geography to buy time. Keeping your CV force and airforce intact around a more defensible line further back is going to make it a lot tougher for the Allies to make that initial inroad into your position. That buys time too.

The weakness is probably the DEI. So many islands and places that LBA can get at you. Wondering if the corollary to this strategy is putting enough resources into taking Darwin to stop it being used as an offensive base.

If you had your time again, would you be as conservative in your initial offensive?

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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/19/2010 2:43:07 AM   
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If you had your time again, would you be as conservative in your initial offensive?



Sure, our initial offensive was just as bold as the original Japanese offensive!



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/20/2010 8:50:29 PM   
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Burma

B-17s hit Toogono and Moulmein this turn. We have still not gotten any supply to move to Moulmein - the new supply rules are much more of an "all or nothing" activity as compared to the old rules. I still like the old rules better - but we're going to war with the rules - as they change!!!

Our withdrawal is going fairly well and about 50% of our troops that were in Burma are now at or East of Moulmein.

Timor area
Wow - we think we shot down two B-17s this turn. They continue to storm into Alor Island - the only place within 2,000 miles were we have functioning Zeros (7 total) so I guess the 13 Oscars and 9 Rufes we have their are also helping.

China
Maybe we're finally wearing out the stack at Hankow. We got two 1 to 1 attacks this turn and losses were even. Once we run them out of supply - the loss ratio should turn in our favor.

In Southern China, we're still chasing lots of little units around.



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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 2/21/2010 5:22:19 PM   
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China

At Hankow we finally got a 2:1 attack - so this should mean that the (long) surrounded Chinese forces, which have been beseiging the town for many months are now finally out of supply. I'm suspect they will hold out for a long time still - but at least we are now on the back side of the slope.

Still chasing little pieces around in Southern China - this could take a while also.

Burma
For some reason we can't get on the train any more in Burma, so we will walk the rest of the forces out. The evacuation is going fairly well. We will create blocking positions at Moulmein and a couple of hexes to the NNE of Moulmein.

Timor Area
The B-17s did not attack at Alor today! More troops are moving into the area, but the build up will be very slow.

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Burma

Exodus continues, no air strikes this turn.

China
Two small Chinese units destroyed in the South - starting to get 5:1 and 10:1 attacks on the stack at Hankow - progress on both fronts!

Timor Area
B-17s struck one of my convoys 18 hexes North of Darwin (several hexes NE of Amboina). That is 828 miles - one hecque of a distance for an anti-shipping strike!!!



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Burma

Over 60 B-17s pounding our divisions in the jungles of Burma - the withdrawal continues. Last turn one of our "elite" (90 EXP) divisions in the jungle tried to counter attack a couple of allied recon battalions but we were repulsed.

Timor-Celebes-NW New Guinea Area

B-17s stood down this turn - but B-26s rolled in to Dili for the third turn in a row. Our Oscars and Zeros shot down 13 in the air and another 9 ditched on the way home. The first good air turn we've had in memory.

China
The Chinese beisiging force at Hankow was finally eliminated today along with the final small unit in Southern China. For the first time since the start of the game we now have the clear intiative in China - our rear areas are secure. Next we will probably try to push the Chinese back from the Coast in the South. A few B-26s or B-17s down there could attack some of our key convoy routes.

Production
We are about 6-7 weeks away from deployable Tojos - I'm hoping they will be the IJA zeros. I only have 4 Zero Chutai in my half of the map - so even slow conversion of Oscar units will offer some defense - though it will be too late to save Burma.



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Resources

Generally our levels of resources, oil, fuel, supply seem to be keeping things on track. During the ADAK operation, Nik drained the Home Islands pretty much dry of fuel, but we have gradually been able to get the levels up high enough to keep the convoys and the production system moving. Still trying to teach our Navy to get their fuel from the SRA so I don't have to lug it all the way back north .






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Aircraft

Likewise our aircraft pools are not struggling either at this point and actually much of the production is turned off - like Oscar production has been completely turned off for some time now. We are using Nates for units which are in training and Oscars only for "front line" units, so about 40% of our units are Oscars and the rest Nates.






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RE: Amis vs Aussies - World Domination(no jrcar or Tony) - 3/6/2010 11:23:20 PM   
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Banda Sea Area

In this area we are gradually trying to capture all the multitudinous dots, the remaining ones are circled in yellow. We will also try to build a few more bases in this area, but we know we are racing against time. In the Eastern Central edge you can see the Allies are landing at Hollandia about 2 years early!






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We will try to delay along the Burma/Thai border, but we don't have anything that can slow down the B-17s, so the front will advance at the pace of the B-17s rebasing.

In China, we will try to reorient our offensive towards the yellow circled bases, this will push the Allies a bit further back from the South China Sea. But it will take some time to redeploy our forces.






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Burma

60ish unescorted B-17s came in to Rangoon this turn and finally our Nick's engaged. We say 6 B-17s did not make it home - but have learned this is about double the real number of losses on Allied side. But even if 3 did not make it home - that is greatest victory in air war to date! We flew in a Zero chutai to reinforce.

Banda Sea
We also flew in a Zero Chutai to Dili this turn. We are gradually gaining some measure of air space control over Timor. This gives us the following air units in Timor now

Koepang: 2 Rufe Chutai, 1 Oscar Chutai
Alor: 1 Zero Chutai, 1 Oscar Chutai
Dili: 1 Zero Chutai, 1 Oscar Chutai

NW NG
Sorong finally built a level-1 airbase this turn. We are unloading three more construction battalions at Sorong.



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Burma

5th Division finally made it out of the jungle - now one hex NE of Pegu. 18 DIvision in Rangoon. Imperial Guards SE of Pegu and 38th DIvision also one hex NE of Pegu. We will leave the 5 ID in Pegu and send the 38 Division back towards Moulmein.

No Allied air attacks on the Rangoon area this turn.

One Allied Armoured Brigade sloshed its way through the water to get to Ramree Island.

Solomons
About a week late, the Allies have landed on Tualgi. Noteable perhaps only because the Allies are two years ahead on other areas of the map like invasion of Hollandia.

Banda Sea
The Allied attack on the SRA has begun! Looks like six units comming ashore at Aru Island.



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Burma

P-38s did their sweep thing today and I think we lost 10 Oscars for 2 P-38s. The Nicks got a bit worn out so we will fly in another Zero Chutai to Moulmein to reinforce. We will also pull one Oscar chutai out of training to replace the beat up one.

Some armor and Gurkhas are moving through the jungle against one of our recon battalions - both sides are pounding the other with bombers - a side show that is becoming the main shebang!

Banda Sea
Oscars covered some Betty's going in against the landing at Aru Island. The Allies had scores of P-38s and Beaufighters over here as well. We lost 5 Oscars, but all the Betty's got through. We beat up one AK but the Warspite "bomber magnet" suckered away most of our Betty's.

Meanwhile B-17s and B-24 continue to pound Ambon - so we will have to further reinforce that area.



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15-16 August 1942

Burma

P-38s did their sweep thing today and I think we lost 10 Oscars for 2 P-38s. The Nicks got a bit worn out so we will fly in another Zero Chutai to Moulmein to reinforce. We will also pull one Oscar chutai out of training to replace the beat up one.

Some armor and Gurkhas are moving through the jungle against one of our recon battalions - both sides are pounding the other with bombers - a side show that is becoming the main shebang!

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Oscars covered some Betty's going in against the landing at Aru Island. The Allies had scores of P-38s and Beaufighters over here as well. We lost 5 Oscars, but all the Betty's got through. We beat up one AK but the Warspite "bomber magnet" suckered away most of our Betty's.

Meanwhile B-17s and B-24 continue to pound Ambon - so we will have to further reinforce that area.






you´re employing Betties bomb armed? I would only use them with torps or not at all, they´re just to precious (the experienced crews I mean).

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you´re employing Betties bomb armed? I would only use them with torps or not at all, they´re just to precious (the experienced crews I mean).



Yup, I mostly employ Betty's as "bomb armed" since they spend 97% of their time on submarine suppression.

But the particular raid in question could only be mounted, with escort, from a forward, level-2 base, that didn't happen to have a torpedo HQ at it. I think I have 4 torpedo HQs, in my part of the map and it is thus difficult to always have at least one within 10 hexes of any place the Allies could land, so sometimes we go without torpedos!

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