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Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 5:01:35 PM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 8:23:12 PM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 9:13:05 PM   
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A little more expensive then I thought it would be at $44.99 US.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 10:20:34 PM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 11:15:19 PM   
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Bad news - 1 Activation? That is stingy as hell...and what happens when my hard drive fails? Or I uninstall forgetting to de-activate?


JD, you misinterpret that one, it means ONE activation at a time. Once it's installed you cannot install it on any other machine ! Also, you can't uninstall without deactivating, usually.
Once you uninstall it, you usually get a new (deactivation/"clean") code, which you can use for your next activation/machine.
The system described in the text on the screenshot is even easier to handle, as you don't have to do copy/paste the codes and go back and forth for the particular PC/laptop you want to use, since the process is handled via online-activation, it just takes a sec.
You install the game on all machines you plan to use, and you activate THE machine you're currently using. It sounds a bit more restrictive first, but if you've ever read EULAs, then you know that many EULAs usually just grant the right to use a particular game on ONE machine at a time. They just enforce such EULA more thoroughly than other games/companies.

Some of these activation systems are set up in a way that there's a small "sting" indeed, means that - in case your HD fails - you can't retrieve the uninstall/deactivation key, so that you have to contact their tech support. I am not sure whether they cater for such situations or not.
Some companies (eg. Battlefront) give you the possibility to receive an offline/alternative activation key.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 11:16:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is this? Take Command: Gettysburg? Seriously the game looks like take command.

I do agree with Judge....the activation thing would get tedious after a while. Considering I go to LA every weekend I don't want to have to do this every time I go somewhere with my laptop.

EDIT: Oh nevermind. It's made by one of the same people that worked on Take Command. So this essentially IS Take Command: Gettysburg.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 11:23:13 PM   
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Bad news - 1 Activation? That is stingy as hell...and what happens when my hard drive fails? Or I uninstall forgetting to de-activate?


JD, you misinterpret that one, it means ONE activation at a time. Once it's installed you cannot install it on any other machine !
Once you uninstall it, you usually get a new (deactivation/"clean") code, which you can use for your next activation/machine.
The system described in the text on the screenshot is even easier to handle, as you don't have to do copy/paste the codes and go back and forth for the particular PC/laptop you want to use, since the process is handled via online-activation, it just takes a sec.

Some of these activation systems are set up in a way that there's a small "sting" indeed, means that - in case your HD fails - you can't retrieve the uninstall/deactivation key, so that you have to contact their tech support. I am not sure whether they cater for such situations or not.

No Goodguy...I do understand what it means. It means you have one activation and one deactivation. It means if you have a hard disk fail or forget to deactivate before removing, then you have lost you activation and have to call home.

I have software with activations. 1 is downright stingy and does not cater for error or disaster. I have a couple of games that give me 3 activations. I have a couple which give me quite a few...1 is ridiculous.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 11:31:10 PM   
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No Goodguy...I do understand what it means. It means you have one activation and one deactivation.


K, sorry, thought you'd misinterpreted it.

I edited my post above, I added that some companies cater for cases where say your PC/HD fails, so that you can get an alternative key, some also offer offline keys. Well, I agree - 1 is a bit less convenient, but I don't think it will be a problem for users that don't reformat every 6 weeks, no?

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/28/2010 11:50:01 PM   
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No Goodguy...I do understand what it means. It means you have one activation and one deactivation.


K, sorry, thought you'd misinterpreted it.

I edited my post above, I added that some companies cater for cases where say your PC/HD fails, so that you can get an alternative key, some also offer offline keys. Well, I agree - 1 is a bit less convenient, but I don't think it will be a problem for users that don't reformat every 6 weeks, no?


I don't think it is usually a problem for the person who reformats, its a problem for the person who system crashes before they could deactivate. Although I'm sure while the developer is around they would provide a new key, but what happens if/when the developer retires or just decides to no longer support the game? No way for you to get a key.

Although I do not like this limitation, in full disclosure I have bought the game because this battle interests me and I liked the past games. However, still a risk.


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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 12:04:37 AM   
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What is this? Take Command: Gettysburg? Seriously the game looks like take command.

EDIT: Oh nevermind. It's made by one of the same people that worked on Take Command. So this essentially IS Take Command: Gettysburg.


There's a little controversy in this. Norbsoftware was a developer in Mad Minute Games. They split, Norb took the code with him. But Mad Minute insists that they own it since the game's under their brand. Don't know what's the outcome of the conflict. Would appreciate if anyone fills me in.


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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 12:05:43 AM   
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Although I'm sure while the developer is around they would provide a new key, but what happens if/when the developer retires or just decides to no longer support the game? No way for you to get a key.

Although I do not like this limitation, in full disclosure I have bought the game because this battle interests me and I liked the past games. However, still a risk.


True, there is some risk involved. I got TOW2, for example. Do I know whether Battlefront will be around in say 5 years? No. I bought the DD versions of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, where the latter employs an online activation. Do I know whether Bioware will be around in 5 years, especially since EA has the tendency to close down attached (smaller) studios, or to shift business away from contracting studios? No. But there's at least a chance that EA (and Bioware's auth servers) will be around for a while.
With Battlefront, I've decided not to do business with them anymore, not because of their online activations and their limited download policy (10 downloads only, and I think limited to 3 years), but because of the terrible lack of content in TOW2 and the bad patch policy (they release[d] a sequel instead of patching serious defects in AI routines and weapon balancing).

So, for me, it's rather about who's employing such limitations/restrictions.

Btw, is this the same gettysburg game discussed in the other thread? Is this real time? Please let me know what you think about the game, I may be interested. I've ignored 1800 something games for quite a while, as I use to prefer WWII games or modern era games.
Thanks in advance !

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 12:18:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your correct that other places use some kind of activation, no argument here.  Just like JD, I just think (1)activation is too little to account for the accidental system crash.  I won't turn this thread into DRM specific since there are plenty of those already started:)

As for the game, if you have played Take Command 2 in the past, then you'll know this game.  There are supposed to be a number of changes under the hood but when you play it seems very familiar.  For me, I like Civil War games so most of these are a must buy for me and I liked the TCM system plus Gettysburg is probably one of my favorite battles.  So far I have only played a tutorial or two so haven't much to say how good it really is.  I imagine I'll get my money's worth, although I do think it is a little over-priced. To me $34-$39 would be a better range, especially on the surface since it doesn't look significantly different.

It is a realtime game which allows you to play as different levels of a commander so its kind of interesting from that perspective.  There is a demo over at their site, give a look and that would be the best way to know if it is for you.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 12:43:30 AM   
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Bad news - 1 Activation? That is stingy as hell...and what happens when my hard drive fails? Or I uninstall forgetting to de-activate?


JD, you misinterpret that one, it means ONE activation at a time. Once it's installed you cannot install it on any other machine !
Once you uninstall it, you usually get a new (deactivation/"clean") code, which you can use for your next activation/machine.
The system described in the text on the screenshot is even easier to handle, as you don't have to do copy/paste the codes and go back and forth for the particular PC/laptop you want to use, since the process is handled via online-activation, it just takes a sec.

Some of these activation systems are set up in a way that there's a small "sting" indeed, means that - in case your HD fails - you can't retrieve the uninstall/deactivation key, so that you have to contact their tech support. I am not sure whether they cater for such situations or not.

No Goodguy...I do understand what it means. It means you have one activation and one deactivation. It means if you have a hard disk fail or forget to deactivate before removing, then you have lost you activation and have to call home.

I have software with activations. 1 is downright stingy and does not cater for error or disaster. I have a couple of games that give me 3 activations. I have a couple which give me quite a few...1 is ridiculous.



I agree with Judge.. one activation is ridiculous... I play on both a desktop and laptop and to have to go through that process every time... and the 'crash' scenario... ridiculous... With Matrix or even Steam, I install on any of my computers...

This is like DRM with music.. I bought songs from Walmart years ago.. and even though it said I could play them on up to five computers. it only worked on one.. that Computer has long since been rebuilt.. so those songs are unplayable for me now... Now I only buy DRM free music on Amazon...

Guess at this point and time I won't be doing the Gettysburg thing... maybe head for Midway or Flanders Field instead..

BTW my Take Command that I bought on Steam.. I don't even have to start Steam to play it.. it just works on it's own, and that's the way it came..



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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 3:04:50 AM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 3:22:43 AM   
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The game plays just like TC2M, but with smaller buttons. I think Norb had lunch with Gary Grigsby or something ;-D

The graphics are a disappointment - only marginally better than TC2m. I thought he was dropping sprites in favor of 3d models. Must have dropped that somewhere along the line.

It has multiplayer with a builtin lobby system. That is going to rock. May be worth the price of admission.

I noted one bug. I had Archer flanked, and started advancing on one of the regiments. They disappeared out of no where. I thought it was some kind of surrender routine, but one of my regiments was still firing. Must have been a glitch of some kind.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 3:31:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		One important distinction from TC2M is that this has online multiplayer. Played the demo co-op with a friend against a random, and it was a blast.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 4:20:21 AM   
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The graphics are a disappointment - only marginally better than TC2m. I thought he was dropping sprites in favor of 3d models. Must have dropped that somewhere along the line.


Agreed....with games like Total War series being able to fully render 3D models with thousands of horses and soldiers with good performance, I think it's time to step it up.

EDIT: However graphics aren't deal breaker for me....

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 3:37:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have taken a look at this now, and some of the previews.  It just doesn't seem  up to my fancy (again).  I'd much rather have some decent looking sprites on a hex-grid.  I don't care for 3D right now, and never have.  I will probably purchase a new graphics card to handle Civ V, but at least THAT game will come with a hex grid, haha!

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 3:39:29 PM   
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The game plays just like TC2M, but with smaller buttons. I think Norb had lunch with Gary Grigsby or something ;-D



True, but there are also more commands available now, so I can understand why the buttons are a bit smaller.

The 2D sprites are definitely dated, but the gaming is so good that I'm willing to overlook this. At least the games has widescreen support, and you can edit a config file to bump up the AA and AF to give it a crisper look. I found the terrain to be outstanding!

It's my feeling that the multiplayer aspect is going to be the best part of the game. Imagine engaging in a virtual Battle of Gettysburg, where every army, corp and brigade general is a real person! This is the true selling feature in my opinion.

While I agree that the activation/deactivation DRM is annoying and inconvenient, it's not going to stop me from enjoying the heck out of this game.


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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 5:56:54 PM   
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Trying to justify it is worse.




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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 6:17:04 PM   
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DRM like this is despicable. 

Trying to justify it is worse.





Now now, no need to be so melodramatic.

You no likee their DRM? Don't buy the game.

Since I won't be moving the game around to multiple computers, it's virtually a non-issue for me.



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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 6:19:22 PM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 6:33:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heck, JD, if my HD crashes on my gaming rig, I'm going to have bigger problems than not being able to play Gettysburg for awhile! 

And you can bet I've got the Gettysburg activation key and installable file on my thumb drive.

Then again, I look at hardware failures as the perfect opportunity in which to upgrade!


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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 7:51:29 PM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 9:33:46 PM   
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What is this? Take Command: Gettysburg? Seriously the game looks like take command.


Basically it is Take Command. Stolen by one of the partners from the other and this will all probably eventually end up in court some day. I wouldn’t hold out much hope your activations will be worth a dime if it goes to court.

http://www.wargamer.com/forums/tm.aspx?high=&m=302136&mpage=1#302195

Buyer beware, the guys a real dirtbag in my opinion.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 10:42:58 PM   
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Basically it is Take Command. Stolen by one of the partners from the other and this will all probably eventually end up in court some day. I wouldn’t hold out much hope your activations will be worth a dime if it goes to court.

http://www.wargamer.com/forums/tm.aspx?high=&m=302136&mpage=1#302195

Buyer beware, the guys a real dirtbag in my opinion.

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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 3/29/2010 10:43:05 PM   
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RE: Scourge of War Gettysburg - 1/18/2013 12:06:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		i just purchased SOW Gettysburg and 3 expansions i suppose they are, chansellorsville, pipe creek, and antiendam (spelling sorry).. i bought the Download versions.. ok i have some issues i would love some help with. i jujst bought a new Desktop PC and it came with Windows 8. i installed SOW gettysburg first and tried it out and it was working perfectly, not even a slight possible issue.

now i know this was my fault but there should be a way to fix it I hope without having to purchase everything again.

i started downloading the other three and didnt realize that the games naturally were being installed to my download folder but as the SAME file.. for instance, SOW gettysburg DL'd to My GAMES/downloads/sow-gettysburg and the then asked for a desktop shorcut and SOW-Gettysburg was the name of the shortcut. all the other games DL'd under the same file name and when i ran SOW gettysburg i could no longer read the words.. pictures loked fine and the game didnt look harmed but i couldnt read any words at all. they looked like they blurred out..

i uninstalled everything that had to do with SOW from my computer after hours of troubleshooting to my best ability which drove me crazy. i empty the Recycle bin and cleaned my hands of all the mess i made..

i waited a day (today) top reinstall and properly file the DL's... i i just DL'd gettysburg and Chancellorsvile and they both r doin gthe same thing as before (words look like they were blurred out) and i installed them correctly..

what did i do?

and most impotantly, how can i fix it?

PLease help

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