Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

What's the allowable dress for a court proceeding? It is a criminal case . . .

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

With all due respect to the Major General in PA, she's right, and that's exactly what we intend to do in court, on both sides:  influence the proceeding.

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... so I'd put him in his Class A's if I thought it helped his appearance to the jury.

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This was just a prelim this morning.  He got court dates and pled not guilty :-D

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

Not necessarily.  We have a lot of experience members of the armed forces here.  I also find them to be some of the more intelligent of the lot in my 6 or so years trolling these forums.

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ORIGINAL: E

How much an hour are you charging your client while you read these forums? Will you be sharing that with those who googled for you? Can I get some if I ask if your client is on active duty while wearing that uniform, and pointing you to Title 10 U.S.C. for information on wear of the military uniform by civilians?

*grin?*

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000702----000-.html

ORIGINAL: USC title 18, part 1, chapter 33, § 702:

§ 702. Uniform of armed forces and Public Health Service

"Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."

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ORIGINAL: USC TITLE 10, Subtitle A, PART II, CHAPTER 45, § 772

"§ 772. When wearing by persons not on active duty authorized

(a) A member of the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard may wear the uniform prescribed for the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard, as the case may be."

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ORIGINAL: Arizona Code - Chapter 1 Military Affairs and Emergency Management

http://law.justia.com/arizona/codes/title26/00170.html

Article 3 National Guard

Revised Statutes §26-170 : Unauthorized wearing of uniform; rank insignia; violation; classification :

A. No person shall wear any part of the uniform of the national guard or the army, navy or air force of the United States, or a uniform so similar as to be easily mistaken therefor, unless the person is a member of the service whose uniform he wears, an inmate of a veterans' or soldiers' home, or a member of an organization of the United States veterans.

B. A person in the theatrical profession may wear the uniform in a playhouse or theatre while actually engaged in acting the part of a member thereof.

C. A civic organization may parade or travel in a body or assemble in a lodge room, but when the active militia or any part thereof is in active service, or is called into active service, such civic organization or member thereof shall not parade or appear in uniform in the same locality where the active militia is in service.

D. Persons authorized to wear the military uniform of the United States may only display the rank insignia of the highest rank in which they have received federal recognition except the adjutant general who may display the rank insignia of his state appointed grade after written consent of his service branch.

E. A person violating this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor."

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Wearing a military uniform in court is prohibited under Pennsylvania law in certain cases. State law says that military members cannot wear their uniforms "for the purpose of obtaining aid or profit or while soliciting contributions or subscriptions."

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ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

Ok, what does "without authority" mean?

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy
Cops, even off duty, wear their uniforms whenever they can. They break policy in court to make sure they have their firearms on, because it influences the jury by adding an amount of authority to their testimony.

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy
Cops, even off duty, wear their uniforms whenever they can. They break policy in court to make sure they have their firearms on, because it influences the jury by adding an amount of authority to their testimony.

Being a retired Police Officer, I call bull**t. I wore civilian attire (suit and tie) and carried a concealed weapon in a shoulder harness no one could possibly see when I testified off duty as did everyone else. We only wore uniforms when on duty or when about to go on duty.

As to why we carry firearms, the courthouse is packed with scumbags and their scumbag friends, all of whom would love to get a shot at an unarmed officer. The one time a defense attorney and judge tried to force one of our uniformed officers to appear without his sidearm, we stood two officers at the door with shotguns outside the courtroom.

Police officers are targets and I’ve arrested hundreds of armed scumbags inside courtrooms in my career. So trying to make an officer disarm for some stupid defense motion is just playing games with OUR lives. Something the defense seems to have no issue at all doing whenever they get the chance.

Jim

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ORIGINAL: E

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ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

Ok, what does "without authority" mean?

Not on orders (i.e. not on "active duty").

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ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

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ORIGINAL: E

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ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

Ok, what does "without authority" mean?

Not on orders (i.e. not on "active duty").

Erm, that would mean an Army soldier could face some jail time (6 months), because he fell asleep on the couch wearing the uniform - just to wake up in the middle of the night to figure it's time to get some Lays at Walmart (without changing clothes).

Seriously, I rather think it means that someone who's running around in a uniform without being in the Armed Forces will get punished. No?

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

... Cops, even off duty, wear their uniforms whenever they can. 

Stratford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"The Angel of Okinawa"

Home of the Chance-Vought Corsair, F4U
The best fighter-bomber of World War II

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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

... Cops, even off duty, wear their uniforms whenever they can. 

Cops don't stop being cops after they punch-out, but a "weekend warrior" is just that.

Here in CT, Guardsman can't casually wear their Army camo jackets w/their rank and unit insignia.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.
Sounded a little odd to mee too. My dad was a 30 year city police officer, many times he'd be in court, always armed. In fact he felt that it was required of him since even an off duty officer must act if he or she witnesses a crime in progress.

In 30 odd years he only had to fire his pistol 1 time, to kill a rabid feral dog.

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Being a retired Police Officer, I call bull**t. I wore civilian attire (suit and tie) and carried a concealed weapon in a shoulder harness no one could possibly see when I testified off duty as did everyone else. We only wore uniforms when on duty or when about to go on duty.

As to why we carry firearms, the courthouse is packed with scumbags and their scumbag friends, all of whom would love to get a shot at an unarmed officer. The one time a defense attorney and judge tried to force one of our uniformed officers to appear without his sidearm, we stood two officers at the door with shotguns outside the courtroom.

Police officers are targets and I’ve arrested hundreds of armed scumbags inside courtrooms in my career. So trying to make an officer disarm for some stupid defense motion is just playing games with OUR lives. Something the defense seems to have no issue at all doing whenever they get the chance.

Jim

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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ORIGINAL: Crimguy
Cops, even off duty, wear their uniforms whenever they can. They break policy in court to make sure they have their firearms on, because it influences the jury by adding an amount of authority to their testimony.

Being a retired Police Officer, I call bull**t. I wore civilian attire (suit and tie) and carried a concealed weapon in a shoulder harness no one could possibly see when I testified off duty as did everyone else. We only wore uniforms when on duty or when about to go on duty.

As to why we carry firearms, the courthouse is packed with scumbags and their scumbag friends, all of whom would love to get a shot at an unarmed officer. The one time a defense attorney and judge tried to force one of our uniformed officers to appear without his sidearm, we stood two officers at the door with shotguns outside the courtroom.

Police officers are targets and I’ve arrested hundreds of armed scumbags inside courtrooms in my career. So trying to make an officer disarm for some stupid defense motion is just playing games with OUR lives. Something the defense seems to have no issue at all doing whenever they get the chance.

Jim

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.
Sounded a little odd to mee too. My dad was a 30 year city police officer, many times he'd be in court, always armed. In fact he felt that it was required of him since even an off duty officer must act if he or she witnesses a crime in progress.

In 30 odd years he only had to fire his pistol 1 time, to kill a rabid feral dog.

I too was a city police officer (Oakland), and I can’t tell you how many times I ran into wanted turds that had come to the courthouse to either watch or testify in one of their friends hearings. It was pretty common practice to make unexpected arrests when going to testify.

And when it was a gang related hearing with dozens of turds showing up, there was almost always at least one armed individual in the group every time we moved into the crowd of them to grab the wanted individuals we recognized.

Jim