Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: topeverest

Pretty sure it is WAD

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: topeverest

Pretty sure it is WAD

wad that the subs don´t turn around early enough when being set a patrol zone and therfore running out of fuel? Hmmm...

granted, luckily I´m experiencing this very very seldome in my games.

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ORIGINAL: topeverest

I only meant that if you run out of fuel at sea sys damage is WAD as far as I know. I dont know about subs failing to return to base in a timely fashion in auto sub operations. I tend to check them every few days so I rarely rely on the auto return function.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Just an idea, but is it possible that, if the routing is set to Safer or Safest, that the path status can change turn-by-turn by reason of the Japanese taking an island, or new LBA being reconned, and the path home suddenly becomes much longer?
I usually don't mess with the routing buttons for subs, but once in awhile I do. Safer vs. Direct can be 100% more hexes sometimes.

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ORIGINAL: viberpol

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Just an idea, but is it possible that, if the routing is set to Safer or Safest, that the path status can change turn-by-turn by reason of the Japanese taking an island, or new LBA being reconned, and the path home suddenly becomes much longer?
I usually don't mess with the routing buttons for subs, but once in awhile I do. Safer vs. Direct can be 100% more hexes sometimes.

Hmm... I found out the routine in my examples.
Here it is: say, you have a sub with base in Rangoon set on patrol.
If there is fuel in Rangoon everything works perfectly ok.
When it decides there is not enough fuel in tanks, sub terminates patrolling and returns to base, refuel, then restart patrol.
BUT if there is no fuel in Rangoon... what's it doing? Oh, yes.... nonooo, not waiting for fuel in the port.... it switches it's main base and tries to go to... Tokyo regardless of its critical fuel amounts.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
IF there is no place available that can fuel the sub, the fall back is always to head to the main base. Subs will never disband into ports without fuel as there is no guaranty that fuel will be come available. This case is pretty much "out of options" for the sub.
Your fuel condition must be really bad?

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ORIGINAL: viberpol

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
IF there is no place available that can fuel the sub, the fall back is always to head to the main base. Subs will never disband into ports without fuel as there is no guaranty that fuel will be come available. This case is pretty much "out of options" for the sub.
Your fuel condition must be really bad?

To head to the main base that is out of range 'knowing' it's a suicidal mission because the sys damage will sink my sub in 4-5 turns because of lack of fuel? Now, that's a logic!

Shouldn't you (if you were commanding this sub) rather wait for fuel to arrive id. est. disband in main port with plenty of support, naval HQ etc...?

[That Rangoon example has been just an example for not to disclose my PBEM opponent where my sub operation is hubbed, but yes, it happens, that at that xx secret location xx the base is out of fuel.
I think it should rather look for the nearest base with fuel or sit in port if the nearest base with fuel is out of current range, but not, for AE sake... not head 100 hexes to Tokio, as it seems to be working in my game]

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

What I tried to say was that there is a decision tree which dumps into the "what the hell else can I do" when there is no acceptable alternative. It does look for the nearest base with fuel. I tried to say that too. If there is fuel available at a base, the sub tries to rebase there. If possible, it will refuel enroute. IF IT CAN NOT DO ANY OF THESE IT GIVES UP AND HEADS HOME.