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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/28/2010 8:11:09 PM

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Also Pershing wasted 100,000's of doughboys lives using tactics that had gone out of daet years previously...

Gotta disagree with you there. The US was advised by the UK and France to ship troops not equipment and to not waste effort by changing over production to provide for the AEF's hardware needs. The allies would supply what they could. The US acquiesced.

In the AEF's early fighting around Cantigny, Belleau Wood and 2nd Marne it had to make do with less artillery (especially heavy artillery), machine guns, aircraft and tank support than other allied nations on the western front. Some of these deficiencies had been made up for by the start of the St. Mihiel/Meuse-Argonne in 9/18 by French artillery support and a lot of French and British air support. AEF's tactics by this time weren't so much outmoded (their formations were less dense than before) as hindered by a lack of familiarity with moving large formations and using large amounts of artillery and air support. AFAIR the AEF's casualties weren't significantly greater than the French during the offensive. Imo the lack of equipment and Pershing's choice for the place of the offensive caused more casualties than the AEF's tactic issues. The area had been held by the Germans since 1914 and was the site of the previously failed Nivelle offensive.

Fyi, the AEF suffered about 50-60k battle deaths. About 1/2 occurred during the Meuse-Argonne, a 10 week offensive.

Looking forward to Germany v. Argentina although it may be one step closer to a naked Maradonna. Nothing good can come from that.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/28/2010 8:44:36 PM

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US didn't win WWI for the Entente, her unworn millions only ensured that Germany, now alone with AH finished and her last grand offensive against the French and British stalled, couldn't win as even the most innovative tactics and/or new toys still came with a bloody pricetag after each battle....and America had so many men.....with the naive, enthusiastic attitude of 1914 in 1918.

oops.. This thread is about Sock- er.

I'm supposed to hate Soccer/Football/footeball, but i'm biased.....because i sucked at it as a lad/tyke/little leager/hellspawn.

Amazingly.....i discovered the secret to why it's so popular. You just have to add a British style pub to the equation (an Irish style one will do too) I find myself staring at it hypnotically while sipping at a pint at my favorite after-work place. Back and forth go the ball. (sip pint) back and forth go the ball. (sip pint)..... When i snap out of my trance, i reflect on how devious those Brits are. Soon i'll be drinking TEA. blech.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/28/2010 11:47:12 PM

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Argentina vs Germany...... now that's going to be a tasty game. Who to support this time. Argentina? Maradona's Hand of God still grates so I think I may have to support the Germans.... first time for everything.

Holland vs Brazil..... another potentially great game. Usually support Holland but then again have to love Brazil....

The World Cup always gets better when England are out... I can relax and watch the football.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/29/2010 4:59:31 PM

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US didn't win WWI for the Entente, her unworn millions only ensured that Germany, now alone with AH finished and her last grand offensive against the French and British stalled, couldn't win as even the most innovative tactics and/or new toys still came with a bloody pricetag after each battle....and America had so many men.....with the naive, enthusiastic attitude of 1914 in 1918.

oops.. This thread is about Sock- er.

I'm supposed to hate Soccer/Football/footeball, but i'm biased.....because i sucked at it as a lad/tyke/little leager/hellspawn.

Amazingly.....i discovered the secret to why it's so popular. You just have to add a British style pub to the equation (an Irish style one will do too) I find myself staring at it hypnotically while sipping at a pint at my favorite after-work place. Back and forth go the ball. (sip pint) back and forth go the ball. (sip pint)..... When i snap out of my trance, i reflect on how devious those Brits are. Soon i'll be drinking TEA. blech.

I enjoyed playing soccer much more than watching it until I discovered the same pub/alcohol connection that you did. Yup, those Brits are crafty, first sinking the Lusitania and attacking Pearl Harbor to get us into WW1 and WW2, now pubs. Sadly, I like tea.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/29/2010 5:01:50 PM

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Argentina vs Germany...... now that's going to be a tasty game. Who to support this time. Argentina? Maradona's Hand of God still grates so I think I may have to support the Germans.... first time for everything.

Holland vs Brazil..... another potentially great game. Usually support Holland but then again have to love Brazil....

The World Cup always gets better when England are out... I can relax and watch the football.

The possibility of Maradonna getting naked keeps me from rooting for Argentina.

Dennis Bergkamp was my favorite player, have to root for Holland.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/29/2010 5:01:59 PM

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I enjoyed playing soccer much more than watching it until I discovered the same pub/alcohol connection that you did. Yup, those Brits are crafty, first sinking the Lusitania and attacking Pearl Harbor to get us into WW1 and WW2, now pubs. Sadly, I like tea.

heh...i needed a good chuckle this morning. thx!

. My condolences on being hooked on Tea. Does Chai Latte count? if so i'm slipping off the precipise.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/29/2010 5:05:30 PM

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another advantage of soccer. You don't get into potentially embarrasing pub situations. One of my pubs serves a delicous meatball apetizer using Kobe beef. They are called "Kobe Bleu Balls" on the menu (as the meat is mixed with Bleu Cheese) but regulars usually just call them "Kobe balls" when ordering.

Like i said....normally not a problem ordering em out loud to the busy bartender.....until the Lakers/Celtics championship started getting aired on the Tellie.........

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/29/2010 5:53:30 PM

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If it's caffeinated it counts.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/29/2010 11:10:54 PM

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well in a fair few of the books Ive read Pershing wouldn't listen to his Allies and thought the power of Attack would win the day didn't believe in Arty or the machine gun...and these are books written by Americans...

FYI, I didn't actually mean lives as in killed in action but ruined through injury aswell...

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/30/2010 12:00:17 AM

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well in a fair few of the books Ive read Pershing wouldn't listen to his Allies and thought the power of Attack would win the day didn't believe in Arty or the machine gun...and these are books written by Americans...

FYI, I didn't actually mean lives as in killed in action but ruined through injury aswell...

Pershing wanted the Americans to be independent from British and French command and he fought hard to command his own troops. Many people thought Pershing was a cold and distant commander for this reason.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/30/2010 9:24:21 AM

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Here is a fantastic book on the Doughboys....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Conquer-Hell-Battle-Meuse-Argonne-1918/dp/1845133501/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277886280&sr=8-1-spell

Great read...

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 6/30/2010 12:51:23 PM

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Argentina vs Germany...... now that's going to be a tasty game. Who to support this time. Argentina? Maradona's Hand of God still grates so I think I may have to support the Germans.... first time for everything.

Holland vs Brazil..... another potentially great game. Usually support Holland but then again have to love Brazil....

The World Cup always gets better when England are out... I can relax and watch the football.

Warspite1

Have to agree on most of that - its tough to support either, but definately prefer the Germans.

Have to support Holland because after the "crime" of 1974 and then losing again in 1978, I desperately want them to win it.

Re England: Yes - I agree, I found Euro 2008 much better for that reason. OR am I just telling myself that because I'm in denial

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 7:38:03 AM

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Good luck this weekend to:

Ghana
Germany
Holland
Spain

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 4:51:28 PM

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Paint the world Orange........

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 5:49:32 PM

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Good luck this weekend to:

Ghana
Germany
Holland
Spain

Ghana made it to the semis?

well thats good news for Africa. Nice that the hosts get to go that far. Good for the sport.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 6:09:43 PM

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No - Holland...they beat Brazil 2-1.

Ghana are playing tonight against Uruguay

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 6:39:57 PM

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Good luck this weekend to:

Ghana
Germany
Holland
Spain

Ghana made it to the semis?

well thats good news for Africa. Nice that the hosts get to go that far. Good for the sport.

Warspite1

Nikademus - these were my four hopes for the semi. One down - three to go!

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 7:55:53 PM

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Sadly, I like tea.

Having grown up in Louisiana, I've always been addicted to Sweet Tea. Nectar of the gods!

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 10:24:49 PM

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cheating cheating Uruguayans........

Poor Ghana..... deserved a victory.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 10:32:24 PM

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Good luck this weekend to:

Ghana
Germany
Holland
Spain

Ghana made it to the semis?

well thats good news for Africa. Nice that the hosts get to go that far. Good for the sport.

Warspite1

Nikademus - these were my four hopes for the semi. One down - three to go!

Warspite1

Oh bum.....unlucky Ghana, better team but as soon often, the team that looks more likely to win in Extra Time then loses the penalties

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 11:11:19 PM

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cheating cheating Uruguayans........

Poor Ghana..... deserved a victory.

Yep - what I don't understand is this....it was clearly a goal if the guys hands did not get in the way...so why not just award the goal...why leave it to the gods by giving aqq penalty....IT WAS A GOAL!!!

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/2/2010 11:53:52 PM

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cheating cheating Uruguayans........

Poor Ghana..... deserved a victory.

Yep - what I don't understand is this....it was clearly a goal if the guys hands did not get in the way...so why not just award the goal...why leave it to the gods by giving aqq penalty....IT WAS A GOAL!!!

The ball never crossed the goal line, so no goal.

Mind you as we have seen, even when the ball does cross the line somtimes its still no goal...

Unlucky for Ghana, I thought they were the better team tonight and they deserved to go through.

Don't fancy Uruguay's chance's against the Dutch, unless they resort to cheating again

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/3/2010 6:12:10 AM

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The ball never crossed the goal line, so no goal.
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Yeah...but those are the crappy football rules. If the guy hadn't used his hands it would've been in...no cheat = ball over line

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/3/2010 11:29:44 AM

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[Yep - what I don't understand is this....it was clearly a goal if the guys hands did not get in the way...so why not just award the goal...why leave it to the gods by giving aqq penalty....IT WAS A GOAL!!!

I think that is a very good idea and full of common-sense. That hand prevented the ball from going over the line. If that hand wasn't there, then it would have gone OVER. Award the goal!
When that useless dinosaur, Sepp Blatter goes (and that sour-faced sychophant, Platini with him) then Mr J Dredd is my choice for FIFA's head. Baltter or Blatter is too stuck in his ways.

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/3/2010 12:19:50 PM

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Thx for the vote teddy - but I'm a bit busy. 'Course I wouldn't mind putting some ideas forward (video ref technology

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/3/2010 6:47:15 PM

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Well done Germany..... Got 2 out of 3 semi-final choices through...... now for Spain..... come on Torres (may take that back if he leaves Liverpool this summer)

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/3/2010 6:49:47 PM

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Well done Germany..... Got 2 out of 3 semi-final choices through...... now for Spain..... come on Torres (may take that back if he leaves Liverpool this summer)

Warspite1

Did you go for Holland or Brazil? Who was the one you got wrong? Mine was Ghana

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/3/2010 6:50:44 PM

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Mine was Ghana.... I and they were robbed

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/6/2010 9:32:22 PM

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Good luck this weekend to:

Ghana
Germany
Holland
Spain

Ghana made it to the semis?

well thats good news for Africa. Nice that the hosts get to go that far. Good for the sport.

Warspite1

Nikademus - these were my four hopes for the semi. One down - three to go!

Warspite1

GO HOLLAND!!!!

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RE: "The Perfect Game" - 7/6/2010 10:04:14 PM

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GO HOLLAND!!!!

GO EUROPE!!!!!

This is getting better and better.... Germany v Spain should set up a great final whoever wins....

Looks like Torres is going to join Chelsea so perhaps I'll have to support Germany..... but I do like Spain. Torres why are you treating me so badly?

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