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RE: RTS games - 7/20/2010 5:26:08 PM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/21/2010 12:31:04 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/21/2010 4:38:06 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/21/2010 10:45:37 AM   
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Rome Total War

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RE: RTS games - 7/21/2010 10:57:40 AM   
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Distant Worlds. It's the most fun space 4x title I've played in a long time!



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RE: RTS games - 7/21/2010 12:03:11 PM   
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You said you like RTS so you should really like the Warhammer series. My favorite is Dawn Of War Dark Crusade. Do you use Steam at all?

I noticed on eBay that one U.S. seller has:
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade for $2.99
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War Game of the Year Edition for $1.99
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Winter Assault for $1.99

(Or you can buy all three for a dollar more.)

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RE: RTS games - 7/21/2010 7:22:46 PM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/22/2010 12:15:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		One other thing on the Warhammer games...DoW1 is a true RTS...DoW2 and Chaos Rising are more like real time squad strategies up to the point of being RPG lite. There is no base building, your squads gain levels and you can equip them to your hearts content.

But they are both great games.

And if you wanna go real old school I still love Total Annihilation. The AI it quite aged and not great but it's a pretty good game that avoids the Rock / Paper / Scissor syndrome of most RTS...for example most land units can fire on air units but dedicated AA will be much more effective. Same with AA...some AA can attack land units but overall is not as effective.

Never understood in RTS's that if you have a gun why you can't take a shot at a plane regardless if you are a land only unit. I understand the chance of scoring a hit is minuscule but give the option.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 1:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bought Warhammer Dawn Of War I Platinum for 14.00 on Amazon. Hopefully that should keep me busy for a while. I took a look at World in Conflict but wasn't sure I'd like it or not.

Another question. I like Codename Panzers a lot. It's sort of like Panzer General meets RTS. There's no resource gathering or base building or anything like that. You basically start out with a small group of units and then expand and upgrade your units through a long linear campaign. Are there any other RTS games like that out there? I really like the format. I don't know what World in Conflict is like but I'm wondering if it's similar.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 2:07:15 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 2:56:09 AM   
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I bought Warhammer Dawn Of War I Platinum for 14.00 on Amazon. Hopefully that should keep me busy for a while. I took a look at World in Conflict but wasn't sure I'd like it or not.

Another question. I like Codename Panzers a lot. It's sort of like Panzer General meets RTS. There's no resource gathering or base building or anything like that. You basically start out with a small group of units and then expand and upgrade your units through a long linear campaign. Are there any other RTS games like that out there? I really like the format. I don't know what World in Conflict is like but I'm wondering if it's similar.


In WIC you have purchase points at the start to buy your initial troops. Then as you capture objectives and kill enemies, it gives you more purchase points. No base building. But pace is way too fast (C&C-like).

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 3:03:32 AM   
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I bought Warhammer Dawn Of War I Platinum for 14.00 on Amazon. Hopefully that should keep me busy for a while. I took a look at World in Conflict but wasn't sure I'd like it or not.

Another question. I like Codename Panzers a lot. It's sort of like Panzer General meets RTS. There's no resource gathering or base building or anything like that. You basically start out with a small group of units and then expand and upgrade your units through a long linear campaign. Are there any other RTS games like that out there? I really like the format. I don't know what World in Conflict is like but I'm wondering if it's similar.


In WIC you have purchase points at the start to buy your initial troops. Then as you capture objectives and kill enemies, it gives you more purchase points. No base building. But pace is way too fast (C&C-like).


Yeah, I saw a couple comments on Amazon about the pace of WIC being too fast. I like games where you have time to think out a strategy to achieve your goals. I've never been a great fan of click fests. That's basically why I didn't get the game. I'll have to do more research into it.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 3:08:57 AM   
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I expect Starcraft 2 to be a bit of a revival for the PC games industry in terms of sales numbers. I think 9 millions units sold in 2010 is possible. If it beats COD Black Ops I expect it could also be the biggest selling game of the year which has not happened to a PC game in a very long time.



I expect the same,....but there is going to be a stink. The game is shipping with only the terran campaign. To play the other two factions campaigns you will have to buy them seperately..........................

Wings of Liberty- Terran Campaign
Heart of the Swarm- Zerg campaign
Legacy of the Void- Protoss campaign

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 3:13:21 AM   
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I expect Starcraft 2 to be a bit of a revival for the PC games industry in terms of sales numbers. I think 9 millions units sold in 2010 is possible. If it beats COD Black Ops I expect it could also be the biggest selling game of the year which has not happened to a PC game in a very long time.



I expect the same,....but there is going to be a stink. The game is shipping with only the terran campaign. To play the other two factions campaigns you will have to buy them seperately..........................

Wings of Liberty- Terran Campaign
Heart of the Swarm- Zerg campaign
Legacy of the Void- Protoss campaign


In that case it's probably best to wait for the "complete" edition to come out in a couple years. I seldom buy games new anymore. I usually wait for all the expansions to be combined into a "deluxe" package and then buy that several years after release at a discount. Look at me, I just now bought Warhammer DOW I for the first time. I don't get to play all the latest sensations but at least I save a LOT of money that way.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 4:36:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will wait for the Complete edition of Starcraft II. What's irritating is that they are charging $60 and you only get the Terran Campaign. Unless I find it cheap on eBay, not a chance. Probably because they know loyal fans have been wait 10+ years for this sequel and they know some are willing to pay anything to get it. I like starcraft but not that much.

Yes, World in Conflict is instant action game. The developers have even stated that WiC is an "Real-Time Action" Strategy game. It's fun, but there is little to no strategy, and the game is overrun by tactical aids. You control maybe 20 units tops(10 in most matches) and the game instantly degrades to who can plot the best tactical aid. The game is won by the person who is fast and can perfectly time when to place airstrikes. You will see like 6 different aircraft making airstrikes at once with crago planes flying in droppping their loads. By no means is it any representation of real warfare.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 6:55:29 AM   
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I expect Starcraft 2 to be a bit of a revival for the PC games industry in terms of sales numbers. I think 9 millions units sold in 2010 is possible. If it beats COD Black Ops I expect it could also be the biggest selling game of the year which has not happened to a PC game in a very long time.



I expect the same,....but there is going to be a stink. The game is shipping with only the terran campaign. To play the other two factions campaigns you will have to buy them seperately..........................

Wings of Liberty- Terran Campaign
Heart of the Swarm- Zerg campaign
Legacy of the Void- Protoss campaign


The game is going to have 35 missions.
And if you buy the game for the single player you are missing the entire point of Starcraft.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 6:57:17 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 11:29:38 AM   
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I dislike Real Time Strategies like Starcraft, Command & Conquer, Dawn of War. I dislike base building and hitpoint based combat.


I fully agree, Warcraft, Starcraft, Command and Tank Rush..that's "wargaming" for dummies.

I hated and hate all of blizzards RTS. Nothing more the a mindless clickfest IMO.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 3:29:05 PM   
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I dislike Real Time Strategies like Starcraft, Command & Conquer, Dawn of War. I dislike base building and hitpoint based combat.


I fully agree, Warcraft, Starcraft, Command and Tank Rush..that's "wargaming" for dummies.

I hated and hate all of blizzards RTS. Nothing more the a mindless clickfest IMO.


I agree too. They're not very complicated to play. You can pick them up off the shelf and learn how to play in 10 minutes. But they are still a lot of fun to me. I don't really lump them into the category of "wargaming" at all. They're not very realistic and they don't try to be. But when you're an old bachelor like me and don't have anything else to do on the weekends it can be a fun form of relaxation.

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RE: RTS games - 7/25/2010 9:42:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Best way to see if you'll like WiC is to just download the demo, Gary. I'm a fan of the game. It is fast paced, but because you don't have a lot of units under direct command, I never felt overwhelmed...and I HATE clickfest RTS games like Supreme Commander.



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RE: RTS games - 7/26/2010 4:12:53 AM   
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What's irritating is that they are charging $60 and you only get the Terran Campaign. Unless I find it cheap on eBay, not a chance. Probably because they know loyal fans have been wait 10+ years for this sequel and they know some are willing to pay anything to get it. I like starcraft but not that much.


Kids these days don't need a campaign. They'll just play multiplayer.

BTW, I find WIC to be quite nice. For me I only play the single mission campaign and the pace is much more managable because it's scripted. I tried multiplayer but as the previous post said, it's an insane artillery / airstrike match. There is a hint strategy if you coordinate with your teammates. But in the world of online multiplayer... chaos is the norm.

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RE: RTS games - 7/26/2010 5:25:09 AM   
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What's irritating is that they are charging $60 and you only get the Terran Campaign. Unless I find it cheap on eBay, not a chance. Probably because they know loyal fans have been wait 10+ years for this sequel and they know some are willing to pay anything to get it. I like starcraft but not that much.


Kids these days don't need a campaign. They'll just play multiplayer.


Yea but is the Multiplayer alone worth $60? I would pay $500 for War in the Pacific before I would pay full sticker price for StarCraft 2, especially since it's not even all the campaigns. Does that mean I'm going to have to give Blizzard $280(60x3) for 3 separate campaigns that will only give me maybe 30 hours tops? Nope not happening. My views may change if the Campaign turns out to be well thought out and fairly long.

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RE: RTS games - 7/26/2010 9:36:04 PM   
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What's irritating is that they are charging $60 and you only get the Terran Campaign. Unless I find it cheap on eBay, not a chance. Probably because they know loyal fans have been wait 10+ years for this sequel and they know some are willing to pay anything to get it. I like starcraft but not that much.


Kids these days don't need a campaign. They'll just play multiplayer.


Yea but is the Multiplayer alone worth $60? I would pay $500 for War in the Pacific before I would pay full sticker price for StarCraft 2, especially since it's not even all the campaigns. Does that mean I'm going to have to give Blizzard $280(60x3) for 3 separate campaigns that will only give me maybe 30 hours tops? Nope not happening. My views may change if the Campaign turns out to be well thought out and fairly long.


It's 35 missions long, and it sounds like the missions are not short either.

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RE: RTS games - 7/26/2010 9:47:27 PM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/26/2010 11:51:04 PM   
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3 X 60 = 180, but who counting? 


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RE: RTS games - 7/26/2010 11:51:44 PM   
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What's irritating is that they are charging $60 and you only get the Terran Campaign. Unless I find it cheap on eBay, not a chance. Probably because they know loyal fans have been wait 10+ years for this sequel and they know some are willing to pay anything to get it. I like starcraft but not that much.


Kids these days don't need a campaign. They'll just play multiplayer.


Yea but is the Multiplayer alone worth $60? I would pay $500 for War in the Pacific before I would pay full sticker price for StarCraft 2, especially since it's not even all the campaigns. Does that mean I'm going to have to give Blizzard $280(60x3) for 3 separate campaigns that will only give me maybe 30 hours tops? Nope not happening. My views may change if the Campaign turns out to be well thought out and fairly long.


It's 35 missions long, and it sounds like the missions are not short either.


We will see when the game officially arrives tomorrow and reviews come up.

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RE: RTS games - 7/27/2010 5:29:51 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/27/2010 6:24:56 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/27/2010 6:29:35 AM   
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RE: RTS games - 7/27/2010 6:37:31 AM   
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