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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 5:18:34 PM   
inqistor


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
My problem is that the basin in Burma is clear terrain, if it was jungle I could defend with 1 hand and 4 fingers tied to my back as terrain modifiers are extremely powerful in AE.


True, but that makes counterattacking easier. And Japan is going to counterattack. Right?


quote:

- More substantial reinforcements are held in Java, but I can't move this and one div is still rebuilding.


Why not? North-Western Australia is not in Allied hands yet, so any attack on Java would have to be supplied from India. Leave there only token forces, for fortification building. After battle in Burma there will be many units needing rebuilding, so Java will be perfect place for them.
Speaking of "rebuilding". IIRC PP cost of unit is based on AV, and there was some tough battles in China. Aren't there some beaten Division, which is like 60% cheaper? Good candidate for putting it in Philippines, and getting garrison from Manila to Burma.

As you remember from the conflict beginning, ZEROs are pretty poor in escort role. But since Shwebo is now in Allied hands... SWEEP LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW!
How many Japan units are there flying CAP over "cluster bases"? Numbers are pretty good, and I think you get better results, if you put your priorities right. If you remember your unescorted bomber raids, which met enemy CAP, and got only minimum losses. I bet it was, because CAP was far too high, and couldn't get to bombers in time. So it would be probably better to put all fighters at 12000-14000. Maybe except OSCARs, which could get higher, because of poor armament.
After all in A2A Allies lose 1-2 fighters per engagement, while bombers lose 2-4, and get several damaged planes. I would exchange 1 one-engine fighter shot down, for 2 two/four-engine bomber shot down anytime.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 8:26:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		In another thread the supply cap formula was given as:

Baseline x (Airfield + Port + 1/3Forts)

Mind you that is the maximum per day. How many days per week a base is eligible to draw supply depends upon how far away it is from the base trying to send supplies.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 8:29:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

In another thread the supply cap formula was given as:

Baseline x (Airfield + Port + 1/3Forts)

Mind you that is the maximum per day. How many days per week a base is eligible to draw supply depends upon how far away it is from the base trying to send supplies.


Ok, thx for the correction Witpqs about the fort value. Still overall advice is if u gona supply 10 divs in middle of Burma u need those bases build up for enough supply draw to take place.

Rasmus

/highjack off

EDIT::: Just done a test. The formular that Witpqs descrbes might be intended, but it doesnt seem to quite work like that.
Had a base on a trail with 1 AF have 100 per day, 2 AF 200 and 2 AF+ 1 fort level it rose too 300 so apparently 1 fort level gives as much as 1 AF level. Either that or some thing is up with the way fractions are rounded up or the formular in general. Will bug report


2nd EDIT::: Programmers just confirmed that its NOT 1/3 fort but that they count as much as a AF or port level.

< Message edited by Walloc -- 8/13/2010 9:27:10 PM >

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 9:58:51 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Thanx for the input and advice guys

Obviously I'm fighting the maestro of ground combat and without learning the changes from WitP properly I'm constantly struggling.
It's very possible that many of the results and mechanics are intended while others may be less so.

My experience is that I have never had problems supplying any base in Burma - except Shwebo.
As you may remember Andy attacked Shwebo and we counterattacked him and drove him out. This worked because I moved my fully supplied troops from Mandalay (a size 2 AF).
- Shwebo was on the other side of a river in a clear hex so it has never been the intention to defend it; that Andy takes it isn't a disaster - that I could't prevent his "stack" from
moving into Mandalay wasn't good and the fact that our troops in Shwebo didn't get supplies despite me using all Jap transports to airlift was another.

What I never has understood is the supply rules that apply for bases don't apply for other open hexes.
- I always thought that supply flow in the middle of a jungle 4-5 hexes from any friendly base without any roads would be very very low.
This was before my experiences in China and I have mentioned it to Andy without him recognizing the problem!?

Another misconception I've had was that any base connected to a main road and railroad would be able to receive supplies.
- Cant you just run trains in, dump the supplies in an Ad-Hoc Army Supply Dump like they did in any battlefield during WW2?

The ability of transports to drop fuel, food, water and ammo to an Army operating on its own should at most be able to provide 10-20% of the minimum it required.
For those of us that played Steel Panther we all remember how tanks and vehicles broke down in rought terrain; driving all out in a jungle with 1500 vehicles without a road
would require that a road was constucted and even then breakdowns and vulnerability to air attacks would in the end stop everything.
- What do you do when a tank breaks down on the only trial - road in the middle of a jungle?

All these "imaginations" of mine obviously has very little to do with the world of AE so I just have to learn and adapt.
Learning the hard way in a critical battle is very frustrating and may potentially give Andy a valuable advantage - but rest assured he will never be able to repeat these stunts!!!

So from now on I'll build on our experiences and try to contain the enemy "elephant".
We got vastly more experienced troops, more supplies, more aircraft and better pilots.
Within 2 turns we will launch our first assault in Mandalay with ca 3000 AV - if Andy don't have enough supplies I'll chase him all the way back to Scotland, invade his house, chase his dog and burn his car!!

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 10:06:18 PM   
Walloc

 

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Status: offline 		Hi PzB,

Good sport, chin high and go kick ass!
Like ur attitude.

Note that Monsoon doesnt apply in China(or most of it) so the base supply draw rules are different.
No one said it had to be easy....

Kind regards,

Rasmus

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/13/2010 10:18:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		PzB,

The only thing really weird (and IMO wrong) is that a unit in a base can only be supplied by that base. A unit not in a base can be supplied by any base within range. Some other stuff could be tweaked but that one is (IMO) the biggest issue right now.


Walloc got a correction on the formula that I read in some other thread. It actually is:

Baseline x (Airfield + Port + Forts) {not 1/3Forts}

EDIT: Oops - didn't see Walloc's edit above until I already posted.

< Message edited by witpqs -- 8/13/2010 10:19:31 PM >

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/14/2010 1:12:46 AM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Thx Walloc, war is he11 as they say
- I'm basically OK in China now after I stepped up supply convoys 500%....

According to Andy there are limitations to how much the old WitP ground combat model can be tweaked.
So I guess we have to accept that there will be some flaws and adapt to them.

Think most of the challenges can be tested out in Burma and Oz regions though, so the learning curve shouldn't be
too steep from now on and in!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 19, 42

Sub Attacks

A good day for our subs;

Sub attack near Karachi at 39,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
AKV Engadine, Torpedo hits 1
AGP Sirius
xAP Kepong
xAP Matang

SS I-165 launches 4 torpedoes at AKV Engadine
Sub escapes detection
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Sub attack near Astoria at 210,56

Japanese Ships
SS I-3, hits 2

Allied Ships
xAK Karoa, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SC PC-578

SS I-3 launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Karoa
SC PC-578 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC PC-578 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC PC-578 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC PC-578 attacking submerged sub ....
SC PC-578 attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-3 eludes ASW attack from SC PC-578
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

I'm leaving out all air attacks in Oz and China. In Oz we keep Tennant Creek at 100 AF damage.
As long as we can keep this up it will be hard for Andy to continue his advance.

This was a very good turn in the air; our troops marching into Mandalay were bombed silly by 250 enemy bombers
but it's not so easy to sweep a non base hex even though that's what many fighters did. We still managed to put up a good
show against the sweepers and caught many vulnerable bombers without an escort.

When some Zero's swept Shwebo the P-40s and Spits fell down like flies; our pilots are so much better than the Allies that we
actually can stand and fight sweep missions at a high cost. Turn the tables and we have a very strong hand.

Morning Air attack on 1st Recon Battalion, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 5

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 1st Recon Battalion, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 114th Infantry Regiment, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 27

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 2
SBD-3 Dauntless x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 114th Infantry Regiment, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 7
Vengeance I x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed
Vengeance I: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Bolingbroke IV: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 1st Recon Battalion, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 9
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 113th Infantry Regiment, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 42
Blenheim VD x 10
Hudson IIIa x 12
Wellington Ic x 39
Hudson I x 23
Mitchell II x 4
B-25C Mitchell x 61

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Blenheim VD: 2 damaged
Wellington Ic: 4 damaged
Hudson I: 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
406 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 112th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 55th Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 47th AA Machinecannon Company ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 51st Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 113th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 113th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 112th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 113th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 8

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 1 damaged
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 23
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 10000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 22

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
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Ground Combat

At least we can let some frustration out at the poor Chinks...

Ground combat at Liuchow (74,55)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28582 troops, 295 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 1156
Defending force 20441 troops, 107 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 857

Japanese adjusted assault: 721
Allied adjusted defense: 320

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
791 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 61 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Units pursuing 2

Allied ground losses:
7087 casualties reported
Squads: 261 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 176 destroyed, 93 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
51st Recon Regiment
102nd Infantry Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
104th Division
15th/B Division
66th Infantry Regiment
116th/A Division
14th RGC Temp./C Division
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
13th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
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Burma Revisited




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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/14/2010 5:21:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Morning Air attack on 114th Infantry Regiment, at 58,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 7
Vengeance I x 12


OH S**T! BUFFALOs?!! At the end of 42?

quote:

Within 2 turns we will launch our first assault in Mandalay with ca 3000 AV - if Andy don't have enough supplies I'll chase him all the way back to Scotland, invade his house, chase his dog and burn his car!!


Patience Young Padawan. Time is still on Empire side.
Those units at Shwebo will probably cross river, thus triggering assault.

Japan posses all advantages. It defends in bases, so can recover units quicker, can share support, have fortifications, and shorter supply lines.
Any additional units for Allies can only be flown to Shwebo, or must march through jungle, which takes month.
The goal should be to surround, and destroy those units at Mandalay. No reason to repel, and chase anyone. I would consider anything short of destroying 5 Allied Divisions, a wasted opportunity.
MAKE FALL OF SINGAPORE PALE IN COMPARISON!

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/14/2010 10:55:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		+1 to inquisitor's advice. Prevent yourself from being cut off, then attack when you are sure you're ready. The results of the first attack will be CRITICAL for the entire war, IMHO. Also, keep trying to cut Andy off with small units.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/14/2010 11:34:14 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Another interesting turn; interesting and different!

The challenge with surrounding the enemy troops is that a strong LCU will cut of any tank regiment we send to surround them with.
- Allied airpower can crush a regiment in one attack in the open and we've seen how impossible it is for us to supply our troops north of Mandalay.

If Andy marches his troops from Shwebo to Mandalay he may overextend and not be able to supply his troops, so I'm not sure he'll do so.
Maybe he will march his Mandalay Army into Shwebo instead? This would mean admitting defeat for now.

If he does combine his Armies in Mandalay we will face ~5000 AV there instead of ~3000 AV.
So shouldn't we attack as soon as possible and try to rout the troops in Mandalay?
- If this succeeds we have the option of marching over the river and shock attack the weakened enemy army there when we have built our strength.
In a week we got the 8th Area Army, the 11th division and a regiment arriving in Rangoon.

A defeat of the enemy in Shwebo means he will retreat back towards Myitykina and it should be possible to pursue even thought I don't think this will be doable
because of supply problems and defensive terrain modifiers in the jungle.

It's a long way to victory, so let's see what the next days will bring!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 20, 42

Surface Combat

Right, talk about bad luck; I've been planning a KB sortie into the Central Pacific and what happens?
An Allied AMC runs into our supply train by chance...perfect, the only advantage is that Andy will stop all convoys from the East Coast for
an undetermined time to come....

Both TFs avoided combat, the AMC is probably carrying troops.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Lahaina at 209,108, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oi
DD Akikaze
DD Yakaze
E Kamo
AO Kokuyo Maru
AO Kyokuto Maru
AO Nippon Maru
AO Shinkoku Maru
AO Toei Maru
AO Toho Maru
DMS Tatsuko
DD Suruyame

Allied Ships
AMC Monowai

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lahaina at 209,108, Range 21,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oi
DD Akikaze
DD Yakaze
E Kamo
AO Kokuyo Maru
AO Kyokuto Maru
AO Nippon Maru
AO Shinkoku Maru
AO Toei Maru
AO Toho Maru
DMS Tatsuko
DD Suruyame

Allied Ships
AMC Monowai

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 21,000 yards
Japanese TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat
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Sub Attacks

A direct hit on the Seadragon. A destroyer also takes a torpedo!


Sub attack near Madjene at 64,101

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-9
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon, hits 1
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Sub attack near Lahaina at 186,105
Japanese Ships
SS I-23

Allied Ships
DD Talbot, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAKL Mapele

SS I-23 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Talbot
Sub escapes detection
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Air Combat

Andy rests ALL his ac in Burma!!
- We bomb Chittagong, Shewbo and troops in Mandalay after performing numerous sweeps first.
Lots of DC-9's at Chittagong and it's a big bonus to burn supplies there before they go to the Allied troops in the basin.

Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 9

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
C-47 Skytrain: 1 destroyed on ground

Runway hits 5
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Afternoon Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
C-47 Skytrain: 3 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 damaged

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 1
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13
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Afternoon Air attack on 21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
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Afternoon Air attack on 21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 13 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 20th Indian Division, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Ground Combat

I counterattack the enemy spearhead north of Tennant Creek and pursue with 5 tank regiments.
There are 2 Allied units in the hex we pursued into and the plan is to rout these as well.
- Tennant Creek is completely suppressed.


Ground combat at 77,134
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 960 troops, 0 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 391
Defending force 403 troops, 0 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Japanese adjusted assault: 80
Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Units pursuing 5


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 35 (35 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
8th Tank Regiment
48th Recon Regiment
8th Recon Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
10th Light Horse Battalion
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 12:11:11 AM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 1:54:06 AM   
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Air Combat

Air losses raged for hours literally speaking.
- We did well today; our CAP setup is working and despite the heavy sweeps over Mandalay we kept fighters in the air.
Ca 15 P-38's down as well as 8 Wellingtons, we caught an entire wing and downed them in the PM turn.

Total air losses is reported as 107 Allied and 73 Jap.
Another 34 Tojo's down and the pool is down to the last 20 but I have upgraded another training unit (24 ac) and also got another
42 moving in from a quiet sector.

The losses we suffer in the air is very well distributed among our fighter units so it's possible to maintain them in the field.
A service rating of 1 for the Tojo is worth the world. The rest turn we got last turn was enough to repair most of them.

According to Andy he canno't compete with our frame productio and is now feeling the twinge as he's starting to run low on fighter ac.

Ground Combat

Our assault achieved a 1-1 odds with ca 1440 to 970 AV.
- Annoying cause that was rather close and we suffered 13k casualties to the Allies 4k.
Still, most losses were damaged and not destroyed and we posess good supply within the basin which will allow us to repair damage.

I'm going to continue bombarding the Allied troops in Mandalay and keep a close eye on how many troops Andy send in or move out.
Tempted to try another (deliberate) attack in some time to see if he's running out of supplies.

Feel that we at least have contained the Allied offensive; Andy will have to continue using his air force if he wants to achieve further results,
and that's something I hope he won't be able to. In the meanwhile I'm going to gather our strength; the 2 divisions routed in Shwebo didn't participate in
today's attack and they are still at 70% strength. In addition to the reinforcements I mentioned in the last post I'm also preparing to send in another
2 divisions, 2 regiments as well as a couple of minor units.

If we can keep Burma safe until mid 43 we have bought time!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 21, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 19
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 51
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
Mohawk IV x 15
P-38E Lightning x 11
P-38G Lightning x 23
P-40K Warhawk x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 2 destroyed
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 3 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 32
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 16
Mohawk IV x 4
P-38F Lightning x 16
P-40K Warhawk x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane I Trop: 3 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 6 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 134th Field Artillery Battalion, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 18

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 9
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Mohawk IV x 10
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 9th Indian Division, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 53
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 9
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Mohawk IV x 10
P-38G Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet

Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 43

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 35
Blenheim VD x 7
Hurricane I Trop x 8
Hurricane IIc Trop x 12
Liberator II x 12
Mohawk IV x 8
Wellington Ic x 26
Hudson I x 20
B-17D Fortress x 8
B-17E Fortress x 69
B-17F Fortress x 31

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Hudson I: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 65

Also attacking Imperial Guards Division ...
Also attacking Guards Tank Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 114th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 79th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Mandalay ...
Also attacking 112th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment ...
Also attacking Mandalay ...
Also attacking Imperial Guards Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 79th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Imperial Guards Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Mandalay ...
Also attacking 113th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Imperial Guards Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 79th Infantry Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 49

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 2
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8
P-38E Lightning x 6
P-38F Lightning x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 38

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 8
Hurricane IIa Trop x 11
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 114th Infantry Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 21st Infantry Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 22

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Mohawk IV x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 13

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 8
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 5
P-38F Lightning x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on 6th Medium Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
Mohawk IV x 2
P-38G Lightning x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
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Afternoon Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 28

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
P-38G Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 17 damaged

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 29
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 10th Light Horse Battalion, at 76,135
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 40 (19 destroyed, 21 disabled)
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Afternoon Air attack on 2/11th Armoured Car Battalion, at 76,135
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled)
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Afternoon Air attack on 40th Division, at 83,4
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 5

Allied aircraft
A-29A Hudson x 9
SB-III x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
A-29A Hudson: 2 destroyed
SB-III: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
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Afternoon Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
Wellington Ic x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Wellington Ic: 5 destroyed
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 84250 troops, 1042 guns, 1624 vehicles, Assault Value = 3151
Defending force 73865 troops, 1382 guns, 1498 vehicles, Assault Value = 2531

Japanese adjusted assault: 1442
Allied adjusted defense: 973

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
12996 casualties reported
Squads: 49 destroyed, 668 disabled
Non Combat: 150 destroyed, 684 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 67 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 405 (112 destroyed, 293 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
3993 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 188 disabled
Non Combat: 74 destroyed, 495 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 65 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 152 (12 destroyed, 140 disabled)

Assaulting units:
14th Guards Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
114th Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
90th Infantry Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
38th Division
21st Infantry Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
Guards Tank Division
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
55th Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
79th Infantry Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
17th Tank Regiment
2nd Recon Battalion
14th Tank Regiment
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /2
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
50th Field AA Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
4th JAAF AF Coy
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Road Const Co
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
48th Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
15th Army
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
47th AA Machinecannon Company
21st Army

Defending units:
2nd British Division
7th Australian Division
23rd Indian Division
20th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
9th Indian Division
23rd British Brigade
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
95th Heavy AA Regiment
205th Coast AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 2:13:15 AM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 2:15:34 AM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 2:16:45 AM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 2:18:54 AM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 5:28:05 PM   
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nice AAR. I am defending Burma just now, so I have small suggestions:

1. Hold Burma at all costs! It is not a question of Rangoon or advanced 4E bases, but commitment of Allied troops. If Andy wants to use them elsewhere, it takes 3 months of marching! Considering your situation in China, the Burma road must be closed as long as possible. As you see, there no problem in AE to move supply. Imagine 20 fully supplied Chinese Corps with 729 AS each...
2. Move in all troops from Java and Sumatra. Allied could not attack there - thay can unload troops, but not supply them.
3. Not sure why you have divisions still split in regiments. If you rebuild division from regiments, you have typically higher AS about 50-100!
4. Are you using Thai Army in Burma? If not, why?
5. Be carefull with bombardment - there are few mines in AE compared to WITP, but very effective and deadly.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 6:41:08 PM   
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The presence if Australian divisions in Burma is ironic; as long as Oz is invaded I think we should have made a house rule
saying that all Oz units should be sent home to fight there.

Hi Tomasek and welcome to the thread

Yes, holding Burma is important in a lot of way; can probably put up a "10 Most Important Reasons to defend Burmna" list!
You start the war with many single regiments; I never split them up myself. Maybe I can combine a division or two, but it will take a lot of work to bring
all the piece together. I did bring together three A, B and C regiments of a Japanese Army division in China today; when I did so there was no rebuild option even though
all parts were together and in the same mode

Thai Army didn't historically move much outside of Thailand; I am using it to garrison rear area bases south of Rangoon to Malaya and Saigon.
They require a lot of time to train and become even somewhat usefull as rear area garrisons. Can't see any combat value in them at all, Bangkok defences is made up around a Jap Guards regiment,

Bombardments are less effective now, my biggest concern is now coastal guns; still not hit many mines but I've noticed how potent they are!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 22, 42

Air Combat

Andy sends in his medium bombers by mistake and we gun down 30 Blenheims et al.
Some 47 Allied ac lost to just a few jap. Andy said he tried a long range 4E attack with P-38's on escort; obviously
this sortie never got off the ground.

To my annoyance lots of our ground attacks in Mandalay goes after a couple of gun regiments.

Morning Air attack on 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 7th Australian Division, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 31
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 16 damaged

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 7th Australian Division, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 21
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 28
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Recce Battalion, at 76,135
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 33 (5 destroyed, 28 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 2/11th Armoured Car Battalion, at 76,135
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 73rd Motorised Brigade, at 58,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 30
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 18
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
Hudson I x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking Imperial Guards Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 15th Army ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking Guards Tank Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 41st Air Defense AA Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 57
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 55th Infantry Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 52
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Mitchell II x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
Mitchell II: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Ground Combat

3 armored recon units are routed north of Tennant Creek.
- I'm struggling with routing the routed Chink corps - after they withdraw into the jungle
they're harder to defeat routed then when fighting at peak capacity in a clear hex.

Our bombardment at Mandalay is effective.

Ground combat at 76,135
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4750 troops, 6 guns, 495 vehicles, Assault Value = 310
Defending force 908 troops, 0 guns, 223 vehicles, Assault Value = 75

Japanese adjusted assault: 186
Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 62 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 111 (95 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
8th Tank Regiment
8th Recon Regiment
48th Recon Regiment
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
10th Light Horse Battalion
2/11th Armoured Car Battalion
2nd Recce Battalion
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Ground combat at 75,54
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26660 troops, 258 guns, 341 vehicles, Assault Value = 1025
Defending force 15110 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 576

Japanese adjusted assault: 691
Allied adjusted defense: 391

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1717 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 129 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 128 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1007 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 87 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled

Assaulting units:
104th Division
15th/B Division
13th Tank Regiment
66th Infantry Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
51st Recon Regiment
116th/A Division
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
13th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
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Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4843 troops, 318 guns, 340 vehicles, Assault Value = 2212
Defending force 69713 troops, 1380 guns, 1484 vehicles, Assault Value = 2327

Allied ground losses:
168 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (3 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
113th Infantry Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
Guards Tank Division
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
17th Tank Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
2nd Tank Regiment
14th Tank Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
79th Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
90th Infantry Regiment
38th Division
4th Tank Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
2nd Recon Battalion
21st Infantry Regiment
14th Guards Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
15th Army
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
33rd Road Const Co
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
48th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
47th AA Machinecannon Company
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
21st Army

Defending units:
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
9th Indian Division
2nd British Division
7th Australian Division
32nd Infantry Division
23rd Indian Division
20th Indian Division
23rd British Brigade
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
95th Heavy AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
205th Coast AA Regiment
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
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Andy is pulling out of Mandalay! No big surprise, he could not supply his army there.
In all he should be lucky that we got such a poor adjusted AV: shock attacking with 3100 AV fully supplied
and getting an adjusted AV of 1440 is just sad.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 23, 42

Sub Attacks

Submarine attack near Goa at 32,27

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
xAK Erinpura, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

xAK Erinpura is sighted by SS I-165
SS I-165 attacking on the surface
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 7th Armoured Brigade, at 76,136
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 58

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 11 damaged

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on 7th Armoured Brigade, at 76,136
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 73rd Motorised Brigade, at 58,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 75,54
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24830 troops, 258 guns, 341 vehicles, Assault Value = 895
Defending force 14238 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 507

Japanese adjusted assault: 399
Allied adjusted defense: 267

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
841 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 47 (2 destroyed, 45 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1588 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 83 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th/B Division
51st Recon Regiment
66th Infantry Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
104th Division
13th Tank Regiment
116th/A Division
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
13th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
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Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4819 troops, 318 guns, 340 vehicles, Assault Value = 2538
Defending force 13486 troops, 214 guns, 358 vehicles, Assault Value = 456

Allied ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (5 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
2nd Recon Battalion
23rd Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
90th Infantry Regiment
14th Division
9th Tank Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
17th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
14th Tank Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Tank Regiment
38th Division
113th Infantry Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
14th Guards Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
33rd Road Const Co
50th Field AA Battalion
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
55th Field AA Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Army
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
47th AA Machinecannon Company
51st Field AA Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
48th Field Artillery Regiment
21st Army

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
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Ground combat at Coen (90,134)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9493 troops, 67 guns, 147 vehicles, Assault Value = 313
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 46
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 46 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Coen !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
5th Australian Division
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Last Air Battles




Attachment (1)

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 8:25:26 PM   
Cribtop


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Status: offline 		Well done! You've turned Andy back and are winning the air attrition fight. Once he leaves Mandalay, what are your plans? How about a linear defense following the Irawaddy with the bulk of the army in Meiktila? Cover each hex in regimental strength and your main force in Meiktila should be able to use the road net to beat any move by Andy to the punch. You also force him to attack over the river and in a week or so your troops will have lvl 2 forts even in the clear hexes.

That said, knocking Andy back to Scotland is better if you have the combat power to do it.

As for re-combining, make sure the units all have the same HQ. Even then sometimes other elements that haven't arrived yet as reinforcements prevent combination.


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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/15/2010 9:17:40 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Thx Cribtop, only to bad that we didn't get a better adjusted AV at Mandalay but indeed Andy withdrew!
Andy has moved 20 units west of Shwebo and I've started moving our most depleted LCU's to rear bases.

Much as you sugges I'm already moving strong forces to Meiktila as I have also seen that we can support both Mandalay and Magwe from here.
I'm not sure its worth leaving a small force in the clear hexes in the river bend; if Andy comes over in force we will only achieve being routed.
- We got 3 forts in Mandalay and 5 or 6 on Magwe; I'm thinking about leaving 1250 AV in Mandalay, 1000 in Magwe, 1000 in Meiktila and a reserve at Rangoon.

For now I will rest our troops and bring our reinforcements in; let's see what Andy is up to until we are ready to start an irresistable offensive!

I found that one of the 3 divisional regiments had upgraded some equipment so now I have to reinforce and upgrade the other 2 before they can combine.
Have look at other divisional units I can recombine; found quite a few in China and one in Burma. The others either have units still not arrived or units dispersed over the 7 seas...

In general it looks like Japan has burned most of its offensive power in the Pacific and we have reached a stalemate period that will last until mid to late 43.
- Central Pacific; stable
Local offensives still in progress.
- Southern Pacific; stable
Local strikes and counterattacks on the agenda
- Australia; stable
How long should we stay, should we pull back early or hold until driven out?
- SRA; stable
- Burma; stabilized
- China; stable
I will halt offensive operations in China for some time; need to rest our units, restock supplies, rethink strategy and redeploy forces accordingly.
Should we continue an offensive in 43 and if so, what should be our tactical and strategic goals and how many troops will such an offensive require is the questions I will have to consider

In 4 days the Musashi arrives.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 24, 42

Surface Combat

Andy is reacting to us creating a base in the Marquesas.
Ships have been observed unloading troops at 2 bases.
Today we sank a transport still unloading! The major enemy landings is to the south.

Maybe we can prep a few units, bring in the KB and wipe them out!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Ua Pou at 191,168, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kamikaze
DD Hokaze
DD Urukaze
DD Kyukaze
DD Tawakaze

Allied Ships
xAK Centaur, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 13 (4 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...
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Air Combat

Our main effort in Burma...87 bombers and 2 hits

Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 13 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
29 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

We finally rout the Chinese back to Kweilin

Ground combat at 75,54
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24016 troops, 258 guns, 339 vehicles, Assault Value = 833
Defending force 13014 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 413

Japanese adjusted assault: 573
Allied adjusted defense: 203

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
497 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 34 (1 destroyed, 33 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4494 casualties reported
Squads: 303 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 249 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
51st Recon Regiment
104th Division
13th Tank Regiment
15th/B Division
66th Infantry Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
116th/A Division
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
13th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/16/2010 7:42:58 AM   
castor troy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
I did bring together three A, B and C regiments of a Japanese Army division in China today; when I did so there was no rebuild option even though
all parts were together and in the same mode



probably because they had different equipment due to one or more of them having upgraded some of their devices. It´s the same as with aircraft, if you split a squadron and upgrade each part to a different aircraft you can´t combine the parts again until all fly the same ac.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/16/2010 7:56:24 AM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		That's correct Castor, I made a comment about this in the last post.
Seems like one of the regiments have an upgraded light tank type as well as 47mm AT guns instead of 37mm.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 25, 42

Surface Combat

A series of surface engagement near the Marquise Islands.
- First a Squadron of 5 old destroyers engage a superior force of 5 US fleet destroyers plus the
large French destroyer La Triomphant. The first engagement is indecisive but a follow up engagement at Nuku Hiva
is more deadly as the Allied force achieves surprise. La Triomphant start landing 138mm shells on 2 of our ships and
the situation starts to get critical; just then a lucky shell ignites the magazine aboard the French ship and
she goes straight down! The two sides then continue an even duel without anyone getting the upper hand.

In the third engagement the Kamikaze is hit again and eventually sinks later in the day as flooding continous to increase.
In return the Reid is shot up badly. Suddenly 2 US destroyers collide and the USS Case is reported sunk.

Finally our main force, 4 destroyers led by the light cruiser Yubari engage 3 US fleet destroyers in an indecisive
engagement. Tomorrow the Yubari force will sweep the waters and attempt to drive off the remaining US ships.

Total casualties in these engagement;
Japan: 1 small Jap destroyer sunk and one moderately damaged.
Allies: 1 large French destroyer sunk, 1 US destroyer sunk and 1 US destroyer moderately damaged.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hiva Oa at 192,168, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hokaze
DD Urukaze
DD Kyukaze
DD Tawakaze

Allied Ships
DD Woodworth, Shell hits 1
DD Cummings
DD Case
DD Smith, Shell hits 1
DD Reid
DD La Triomphant
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nuku Hiva at 191,167, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hokaze
DD Urukaze
DD Kyukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Tawakaze

Allied Ships
DD Woodworth
DD Cummings
DD Case
DD Smith, Shell hits 1
DD Reid, Shell hits 1
DD La Triomphant, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 92% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards

DD La Triomphant sunk by DD Tawakaze at 4,000 yards
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nuku Hiva at 191,167, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hokaze
DD Urukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Kyukaze, on fire
DD Tawakaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Woodworth
DD Cummings
DD Case, heavy damage
DD Smith
DD Reid, Shell hits 3, on fire

DD Smith collides with DD Case at 191 , 167
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nuku Hiva at 191,167, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Karii, Shell hits 1
DD Yamanagiri

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD McCalla, Shell hits 2
DD Gansevoort, Shell hits 2
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Hiva Oa at 192,168, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Karii
DD Yamanagiri

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD McCalla
DD Gansevoort
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Sub Attacks

The sub I sent in didn't do so well and got itself sunk attacking the US destroyers.

Sub attack near Hiva Oa at 192,169

Japanese Ships
SS RO-65, hits 17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Gansevoort
DD McCalla
DD Lardner

SS RO-65 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Gansevoort
RO-65 bottoming out ....
DD Gansevoort attacking submerged sub ....
DD Gansevoort fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Gansevoort attacking submerged sub ....
SS RO-65 forced to surface!
DD McCalla firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Lardner firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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Air Combat

Allied air power is once again stood down and we continue to pound Shwebo.
Results are very varying; a small raid of 20 Lily's achive 15 hits while 135 bombers that attack
later on manage just another 17 hits together.

The KB finally finds a convoy and at long range an enemy transport carrying fuel is set on fire.
Tomorrow I hope to chase down and sink the convoy.

Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 62
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 47

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 17 damaged

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
29 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Motor Brigade, at 76,136
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 52
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 17 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
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Morning Air attack on TF, near San Diego at 219,96
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
B5N2 Kate x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK John C. Calhoun, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Selfridge

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 4000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK John C. Calhoun
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/16/2010 8:01:13 AM   
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/17/2010 1:54:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Today brings jolly good news; The KB Strikes Gold!
- The convoy we pursued yesterday didn't scatter and got the hammer.

We damaged 1 KV, 3 destroyers and sank / torched 6 fleet oilers, 1 tanker and 5 cargo ships!

The especially good news is that the ships were mostly loaded fleet oilers!!
We have already sunk a large number of Allied tankers (almost 50) and I think Andy is short and therfore using
cargo ships and fleet oiler to move his fuel!

Listened to Steve Jone's Fire & Gasoline as the bombers did their work.
Not sure Andy appreciated the reference, no comments back today.

Damaged:

KV Freesia, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Porter, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Crosby, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Sunk or Sinking

AO Cuyama, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
AO Sabine, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AO Guadalupe, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AO Platte, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
AO Kurumba, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

TK Mobilube, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires

AK Titan, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Edwin Markham, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK James Schureman, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
AK Royal T. Frank, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK George Ross, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 26, 42

Surface Combat

Another undecisive engagement; we shot up 2 US destroyer but failed to take advantage of the situation.
- I think there is a couple of transports present.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hiva Oa at 192,169, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Karii
DD Yamanagiri

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD McCalla, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Gansevoort, Shell hits 3, on fire
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Air Combat

Two events today; firstly unescorted B-17s attacked Magwe; Our fighters were probably to high and
received too little warning to achieve much. A few Forts still failed to return to base.

Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 9
B-17F Fortress x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 36

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 7 damaged

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai/B with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
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Morning Air attack on TF, near San Diego at 223,96
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 46
B5N2 Kate x 28
D3A1 Val x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
AO Cuyama, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Crosby, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Titan, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
KV Freesia, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Selfridge
DD Patterson
AO Sabine, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AO Guadalupe, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
AO Neosho
AO Platte, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
DD Porter

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring KV Freesia
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AO Sabine
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AO Platte
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Crosby
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Morning Air attack on TF, near San Diego at 225,96

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
B5N2 Kate x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK George Ross, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
AO Kurumba, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Edwin Markham, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK James Schureman, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Caleb Strong

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Diego at 223,96

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
B5N2 Kate x 12
D3A1 Val x 19
D3A2 Val x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged
D3A2 Val: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Royal T. Frank, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Selfridge
TK Mobilube, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
DD Porter, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D3A2 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x D3A2 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D3A2 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Royal T. Frank
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AO Neosho
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Patterson
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Diego at 225,96
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
B5N2 Kate x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AO Kurumba, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Let's go finish the job....




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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/17/2010 5:46:20 PM   
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We damaged 1 KV, 3 destroyers and sank / torched 6 fleet oilers, 1 tanker and 5 cargo ships!


Yoikes! I think you are going to have a lot of environmental protests after that one!

That gives me an idea - perhaps I should put Andy Mac in touch with BP about how to move oil across water ...

Seriously though, yours is the first AAR I have seen with a raid that close to the map edge and clearly it was a smart play. Well done!
Looks like North America is going to discover sushi and sake sooner rather than later.




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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/17/2010 10:07:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congrats, more to the point though - that you've sunk 50 of his tankers. That has got to be hurting. I hate losing my tankers.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/17/2010 10:40:07 PM   
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- As you remember my replenishment fleet ran into an AMC and I thought the game was up.
Obviously Andy had a TF in the area and his evasive action just didn't work.

Earlier Andy has escaped by using the "maps edge exits" and I had a feeling he might try for that again.
A delay in the Allied buildup of fuel will be a welcome bonus; anyone know how many fleet oilers like this the Allies got in 42?

YES Al, I also hate loosing my tankers!
Talk about taking the fun out of things...guess that's payback for invading Kiwi land

Allied tankers sunk

48 tankers and fleet oilers on the tracker list; the last 5 are not included as I didn't observe them sink but we all know what happens to fully loaded and burning tankers in AE...





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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/18/2010 12:06:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

YES Al, I also hate loosing my tankers!
Talk about taking the fun out of things...guess that's payback for invading Kiwi land



Sorry mate. Don't worry Karma will take strips out of me, but I just couldn't resist. Or maybe it is karma ON YOU for invading Kiwi land - very ungentlemanly ;-P

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/18/2010 7:42:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Christchurch will be renamed Geisha City for that offense Al!

No sign of more enemy ships in the Pacific today so I'm ordering the fleet to move south to coordinate an operation
in the Marquesas.

Our surface forces in that area successfully moved on the enemy transports and shot up 2 troop ships and a seaplane tender.
- Andy probably sent his reserves against us as we moved south, cause in the afternoon our force (now almost without
ammo) met 2 enemy light cruisers and 4 destroyers. We lost a destroyer to a torpedo hit and the Yubari took a 6" shell.
Even though outmatched we fought back well and scored hits on 3 enemy ships before making good our escape.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 27, 42

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hiva Oa at 192,169, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Karii
DD Yamanagiri

Allied Ships
AKV Kittyhawk, Shell hits 29, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Fusto Arosemena, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
xAP Chilka, Shell hits 17, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 19 (8 destroyed, 11 disabled)
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Nuku Hiva at 191,167, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Karii, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yamanagiri, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Raleigh, Shell hits 1
CL Detroit
DD Henley
DD Inconstant, Shell hits 1
DD Napier
DD Pakenham, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
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Air Combat

We continue to attack Shwebo but the results are enemic.
In Oz we continue to suppress Tennant Creek and bomb the guss out of the armored units nearby.

In Burma Andy release all his B-17s against Lashio of all places....?

Morning Air attack on 2/9th Armoured Regiment, at 76,136
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 7000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Recce Battalion, at 76,137 (Tennant Creek)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Lashio , at 62,46
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 73
B-17F Fortress x 18

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 68
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Morning Air attack on Lashio , at 62,46
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6
B-17F Fortress x 8

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Lashio , at 62,46
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
B-17F Fortress x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/18/2010 9:55:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good job, PzB.  This warfare in the depths of his rear must be hurting him as much as would warship losses or a lost battle directly.  It would be crucial to know how much TK, AO and fuel transport capacity Andy has left to supply his forces in OZ.  Without plenty of supplies, you might hold out at Darwin much longer and Andy might have to take it from the sea.  Maybe you could even bag a couple of LCUs near Tenant creek now.

I think you have the playbook in your hand in OZ and CentPac presently due to your counterstrikes.  Though not safely, and you should probably devise a bigger plan or feint to threaten some of Andy's strategically important points and force him to redesignate forces to defense/reconquest that might be presently trained on your important points, Darwin, Port Moresby, the Solomons, the Gilberts, the Marinas...

The naval campaign in SW and CentPac is very promising, and will do long term damage.  Andy is probably rerouting convoys to longest routes, and sending his USN assets to catch your KB.  Do you have an idea of the whereabouts of his CV?  Ready to set up a trap, or would you rather want him to chase goose and burn his fuel while he cannot himself use his CVs for any offensive action against your shipping/bases?  My feeling is you should devise a trap since you might still be numerically stronger in CV air, and number of CVs -- chances won't get any better from now on.  And from so many other AARs I kind of get the impression to hope for intervention of land bases air later in the war as Japanese is futile and won't make up for the increase in USN numbers and quality (see Spruance and Stoneage, Canorebel and others).  This is the time where a won CV battle may gain you another 6 months of initiative for offensive actions and raiding.

In Burma, I can only congratulate to your successful air campaign.  Stand and fight was definitely the right choice.  The supply model in town/out of town really should be looked at, this seems quite gamey.  You should be able to supply forces at a railhead for a short while, even if it would burn supplies much faster.   Your ground losses sound horrible on first look, but compared to the later battles or European theater, what are 25.000 casualties?  How long will it take to get the units back up to strength, and experience?  When can you start counterattacking Andys LCUs?
Inquisitor has probably the same aggressive spirit that I do, but I kind of am governed by the German experience or the CSA problems of the Civil War: Enemy much superior in number, so a "tactical victory" is a "strategical defeat".  It would be great if you tried to cut off Andy's stacks at Mandalay and Schwebo and tried to bag a couple of divisions.  That would be the better approach to gain safety for another year or more.  And it would hopefully then free a division or two for other theaters, that may soon need them.  Or even for raids of your own.

Finally, what are your plans for dealing with the RN in the theater?  Any pay-back plans for the recent BB losses near Ceylon?













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