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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 5:01:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: styer27

I scoped this game out for weeks before i finally found a decent download that found a way past matrix games over-the-top security codes, im an honest person but im an avid believer in the try before you waste $100 policy.

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ORIGINAL: styer27
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Firstly, i borrowed the game off a friend, so the fingerpointers can settle down a little and go back to harassing neighbors or something eh.

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So which is it?

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 6:19:48 AM   
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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 6:23:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: che200

I have seen it all a pirate complaining that the game is crap on the official forums , jeez some people have a lot of gall. Go and work and buy the game like all of us did.



I don't really have a big problem with the guy borrowing the game from a friend to see if it was something he wanted to buy. It's an expensive game for most purchasers, and given what he said he was looking for from it, would have been a waste of his money.

The "gall" arises from his complaining about it on this forum. That he was too dumb to gain all the information he needed for his purchase decision by reading this forum is possibly forgivable. That he was dumb enough to complain about it to THIS audience puts him "beyond the pale". What a loser.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 7:06:19 AM   
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i drew the line when my large force of 4 BB and 6 DD are ALL DESTROYED in one turn when i noobishly sailed into a port with "mines" So in reality the whole fleet watched one ship get hit, then another, then another, yet they sail like suicidal lemmings into the minefield and i had no way to alter orders mid-turn. How realistic! Why spend months even years creating such a complex game yet fall short in the most critical aspect of any wargame ... COMBAT! I mean of course realistically the admiral of my fleet would have changed course (much like the transports do under surface threat) as soon as the first ship got hit, so 1, maybe 2, 3 at most ships should sink, not all, thats just 100% stupidity.

Warspite1

If you think ships travelling at speed and/or in bad weather conditions can simply change course with immunity once in a minefield then you clearly have never read about HMS Niger and convoy QP13 in June 1942 or HMS Neptune and Force K in the Mediterranean in December 1941.

That said, losing all ten ships seems a little unlucky (none damaged? all lost?), but may be it was just an unlucky "throw of the dice" - I can't believe that is the outcome everytime a fleet enters a minefield in this game.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 7:37:20 AM   
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You forgot to mention the outcome of the naval battle which led to the decision to land on Gallipoli. Obviously the OP is totally unaware of it as the British/French pre-dreadnoughts just turned into the previously undected 8th (or was it 9th?) mine line.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 7:48:57 AM   
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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 7:49:15 AM   
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warspite1,

You forgot to mention the outcome of the naval battle which led to the decision to land on Gallipoli. Obviously the OP is totally unaware of it as the British/French pre-dreadnoughts just turned into the previously undected 8th (or was it 9th?) mine line.

Alfred

Warspite1

I am afraid my WWI knowledge is a little limited - hence the WWII references only. The only other thing I forgot to ask was whether, in the game mentioned previously, the ten ships were all lost to mines or whether damaged vessels were lost to subsequent air attack; any surviving vessels being sitting ducks for nearby aircraft, either at the time, or when light came if the naval force entered the port at night - that may have been a factor in such a 100% loss?

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 9:14:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

warspite1,

You forgot to mention the outcome of the naval battle which led to the decision to land on Gallipoli. Obviously the OP is totally unaware of it as the British/French pre-dreadnoughts just turned into the previously undected 8th (or was it 9th?) mine line.

Alfred

Warspite1

I am afraid my WWI knowledge is a little limited - hence the WWII references only. The only other thing I forgot to ask was whether, in the game mentioned previously, the ten ships were all lost to mines or whether damaged vessels were lost to subsequent air attack; any surviving vessels being sitting ducks for nearby aircraft, either at the time, or when light came if the naval force entered the port at night - that may have been a factor in such a 100% loss?



Or what Port was involved and which Port was the TF in question set t return. Did he send a SCTF to Truk with home port of Sydney and then lost the ships to progressive flooding on the way home. Also with the mine limts in AE, we don't normally see such devasting mine warfare results. Something really important is missing here or the guy just had an amazingly bad set of dice rolls

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 9:15:29 PM   
Smeulders

 

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Status: offline 		Who's guessing he tried to move a fleet to Manilla with Bataan still fully mined or something similar ? That would explain why literally all his ships ran into mines.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/7/2010 10:47:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wouldn't be surprised at all to know that styer is just fishing for a like minded individual so he/she can get a code to update the stolen game. This thread should be locked and the account deleted. Piracy is no friend to the developers nor game buying public.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/8/2010 9:26:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		PS  For a historical precedent for his incompetence he should have a read of the Dardenelles campaign.

So the game proves if you do something stupid you get bad results.


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RE: Matrix let down - 9/8/2010 3:40:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gabede

This should get the thread locked and deleted.

" This is a typical liberal whiner, wondering why he has to pay for it, and why they cant make it easier for him to understand."

I at first thought that he may have just been a teenager and didnt understand that not evrything in life is given to you. But after rereading the post, it appears he put way too much time and effort into trying to steal it, and then getting upset that he couldnt get it to work, to be a teenager.

My kids dont have that much attention span.


"liberal whiner"

Actually, I find this more offensive than the original post. And that was pretty offensive to my mind. I count two trolls now.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/8/2010 6:53:10 PM   
Barb


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Status: offline 		styer27, ssomething about Task Force running into minefield:

On the night of 19 December–20 December, Neptune, leading the line, struck two mines, part of a newly laid Italian minefield. The other cruisers present, Aurora and Penelope, also struck mines.

While reversing out of the minefield, Neptune struck a third mine, which took off her propellers and left her dead in the water. Aurora was unable to render assistance as she was already down to 10 knots (19 km/h) and needed to turn back to Malta. Penelope was also unable to assist.

The destroyers Kandahar and Lively were sent into the minefield to attempt a tow. The former struck a mine and began drifting. Neptune then signalled for Lively to keep clear. (Kandahar was later evacuated and torpedoed by the destroyer HMS Jaguar, to prevent her capture.)

Neptune hit a fourth mine and quickly capsized.
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Neptune, 4 mine hits, sunk
Penelope, 1 mine hit, heavy damage
Aurora, 1 mine hit, heavy damage
Kandahar, 1 mine hit, sunk
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RE: Matrix let down - 9/8/2010 7:03:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Barb

styer27, ssomething about Task Force running into minefield:

On the night of 19 December–20 December, Neptune, leading the line, struck two mines, part of a newly laid Italian minefield. The other cruisers present, Aurora and Penelope, also struck mines.

While reversing out of the minefield, Neptune struck a third mine, which took off her propellers and left her dead in the water. Aurora was unable to render assistance as she was already down to 10 knots (19 km/h) and needed to turn back to Malta. Penelope was also unable to assist.

The destroyers Kandahar and Lively were sent into the minefield to attempt a tow. The former struck a mine and began drifting. Neptune then signalled for Lively to keep clear. (Kandahar was later evacuated and torpedoed by the destroyer HMS Jaguar, to prevent her capture.)

Neptune hit a fourth mine and quickly capsized.
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Neptune, 4 mine hits, sunk
Penelope, 1 mine hit, heavy damage
Aurora, 1 mine hit, heavy damage
Kandahar, 1 mine hit, sunk
Havock
Lively
Lance
Warspite1

See post 34.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/8/2010 7:45:26 PM   
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+1, and being british can i add TWAT or will i get banned for offensive language ?


We all know you can't type so if you get in trouble simply say, "I meant to type twit."



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RE: Matrix let down - 9/9/2010 5:59:35 AM   
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+1, and being british can i add TWAT or will i get banned for offensive language ?


We all know you can't type so if you get in trouble simply say, "I meant to type twit."




Just like when on keyboard, where T & G are too close to each other..and you mean to end important email with "Regards"...

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/9/2010 3:18:23 PM   
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Just like when on keyboard, where T & G are too close to each other..and you mean to end important email with "Regards"...


I'll have to remember that....

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/9/2010 5:22:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		i find it odd that the very thing that makes this game challenging and more than a mere arcade experience is the target of his complaint. i've had ae for a little over a year now and am still discovering the subtleties needed to successfully plan and execute an invasion, etc. imo, that's precisely what makes the game so interesting and well worth the price. on an hourly basis, ae is the cheapest game i've ever purchased.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 8:23:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find it funny how people are calling me names and insulting me just for mentioning a few negative comments, what an extremely boring place this must be if all you guys do is talk sweet sugar crap to eachother, too scared to speak thier mind for fear of becoming a "troll" Well, i find most of this community here are very immature, so immature they dont even know about file sharing on the internet, but im not gonna waste my breath explaining it.

I notice you guys have pulled up the most disasterous mine experience of the war, probably a 5 second google search, but losing 3 medium ships and another few damaged is realistic. The amount of ships i lost wasnt realistic, it wasnt even funny, i reloaded the turn about 10 times for a result that would save at least one of my BB's, but to no avail, try to justify the game mechanics all you want but your only insulting your own intelligence, its clearly a rediculous result, am i going to pour in 500 hours into this game only to have my entire KB wiped out on a random mine encounter? Its ruined the whole game for me, but i had to restart everything.

Anyway, im not wasting my time here anymore, its gonna take a long time to pull all these daggers and arrows lodged in me, all for what? just caus i had a negative opinion in a situation, so hang me, burn me at the stake, whip me ....... whatever.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 10:19:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh dear, what a terrible loss. Do you think if we apologise he would come back?

Wait a sec, first he bums a copy of a game we all payed for....then he's not bright enough to realise file sharing copyrighted material is theft....and proceeds to winge the reaction he has received.....I take it back - good riddens I say.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 11:08:13 AM   
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Submarines attacking destroyers is one of my favourite. My language was quite brutal last night when I saw another futile torbedo attack against destroyer. Torbedoes miss and submarine spends few weeks in shipyard repairing depth charge damage.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 3:56:47 PM   
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I choose not to pay attention to the thief named styer27.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 4:44:04 PM   
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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 5:45:07 PM   
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No one's insulting you based on your negative comments (or your rash decision to apparently send BB's into Bataan's minefield), we're going after you for your own admission that you STOLE THIS GAME.   Fixed minefields defending ports are much, much heavier than the one that Neptune ran into; there's a reason no one tried such a tactic during wartime, and now you too know that reason.

Mines can sink ships.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 7:06:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar


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ORIGINAL: offenseman


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK


+1, and being british can i add TWAT or will i get banned for offensive language ?


We all know you can't type so if you get in trouble simply say, "I meant to type twit."




Just like when on keyboard, where T & G are too close to each other..and you mean to end important email with "Regards"...



hehe , thats funny. think i'll slot that away for a rainy day

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Anyway, im not wasting my time here anymore, its gonna take a long time to pull all these daggers and arrows lodged in me, all for what? just caus i had a negative opinion in a situation, so hang me, burn me at the stake, whip me ....... whatever.
styer27

You stole the game, why on earth are you suprised by the reaction of people who paid money for it ! and file sharing is a reasonable excuse for theft ?

I rest my case.

Just noriced John lansfords post , i couldn't agree more.

PS if you pay for the game and get stuck, i think you'll find the community here is very mature and helpful.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 8:41:05 PM   
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i find it odd that the very thing that makes this game challenging and more than a mere arcade experience is the target of his complaint. i've had ae for a little over a year now and am still discovering the subtleties needed to successfully plan and execute an invasion, etc. imo, that's precisely what makes the game so interesting and well worth the price. on an hourly basis, ae is the cheapest game i've ever purchased.


Agree! This game is worth every cent! Ofcourse, this is the game I've been dreaming of since "Great naval battles" series.... I understand that that's not a game for everybody, but there are few of us...

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/23/2010 8:57:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: styer27

I find it funny how people are calling me names and insulting me just for mentioning a few negative comments, what an extremely boring place this must be if all you guys do is talk sweet sugar crap to eachother, too scared to speak thier mind for fear of becoming a "troll" Well, i find most of this community here are very immature, so immature they dont even know about file sharing on the internet, but im not gonna waste my breath explaining it.

I notice you guys have pulled up the most disasterous mine experience of the war, probably a 5 second google search, but losing 3 medium ships and another few damaged is realistic. The amount of ships i lost wasnt realistic, it wasnt even funny, i reloaded the turn about 10 times for a result that would save at least one of my BB's, but to no avail, try to justify the game mechanics all you want but your only insulting your own intelligence, its clearly a rediculous result, am i going to pour in 500 hours into this game only to have my entire KB wiped out on a random mine encounter? Its ruined the whole game for me, but i had to restart everything.

Anyway, im not wasting my time here anymore, its gonna take a long time to pull all these daggers and arrows lodged in me, all for what? just caus i had a negative opinion in a situation, so hang me, burn me at the stake, whip me ....... whatever.



Oh if I only knew I could have stolen the game I clearly would have. I just wish I was more mature so that I could be just as dishonest and self righteous as yourself.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/24/2010 5:08:51 PM   
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RE: Matrix let down - 9/24/2010 6:26:32 PM   
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Maybe Matrix can backtrack his ISP and prosecute him for copyright violation?  He's already admitted his guilt.    Such an easy case, even a FEDERAL prosecutor should be able to win it. 


It would be a civil matter. No need for the feds.

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RE: Matrix let down - 9/24/2010 9:34:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Maybe Matrix can backtrack his ISP and prosecute him for copyright violation?  He's already admitted his guilt.    Such an easy case, even a FEDERAL prosecutor should be able to win it. 


It would be a civil matter. No need for the feds.

Yeah, no need for the Feds to break down his parent's basement door over this one...

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