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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/4/2010 8:32:42 PM   
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If your reading 'Harry Potter', you may be too young for this forum!


The youngest person I know who has been reading Harry Potter is 37 and most of the people I know who have read it are in their 50s. I've read the series and while I don't think it's quite the greatest thing I ever read, I found it entertaining.

It boils down to a "to each their own thing". Nothing is going to appeal universally.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/4/2010 9:38:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've read them and enjoyed them too, but then again I think I'm one of the youngest persons on this board.

Dune I finished just a couple of weeks ago, really liked it, but I'm not sure I'll be searching for any more Dune-books due to what I read here.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/4/2010 11:04:28 PM   
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Don't read much fiction. For a 'light read' I prefer John Grisham, W.E.B. Griffen, some Dan Brown.
Bit of a heavier read, but very much reccomend Ken Follet's 'Pillars of the Earth' and 'World Without End'.
However, I do enjoy the Harry Potter movies; especially the FX.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 1:50:22 AM   
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Perhaps it's me getting too old for this forum!
Don't read much fiction. For a 'light read' I prefer John Grisham, W.E.B. Griffen, some Dan Brown.
Bit of a heavier read, but very much reccomend Ken Follet's 'Pillars of the Earth' and 'World Without End'.
However, I do enjoy the Harry Potter movies; especially the FX.


For a bit of a change of pace (if you haven't already read them) I'm going to recommend to you The Mote in God's Eye and its sequel The Gripping Hand. Both are by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 2:14:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Been a long while since I've picked up the science finction genre. Long ago, Robert A. Heinlein was one of my favorite authors. If he recommends the authors, thats good enough for me; and of course, your recommendation, also. A reading tendency, in my late years, is pure science; avoiding the heavy math, visiting those authors who can spell it out in common vernacular,for us less gifted followers.
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 4:51:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		At least one of those two was a long-time friend of Heinlein (I think both were). While SF of necessity has to have some elements be fictional (I want a warp drive!), these guys are into heavy doses of real physics and engineering realities. I predict if you pick up those books you will want more by the same authors.

20-25 years ago Niven published some of his short stories in a paperback volume called N-Space. Most excellent. In there is an essay he did on the physics of Superman. I mean, how could such a being exist? What would be the physical consequences, of say - ahem - relations? It will have you rolling on the floor laughing.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 7:44:11 AM   
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Perhaps it's me getting too old for this forum!
Don't read much fiction. For a 'light read' I prefer John Grisham, W.E.B. Griffen, some Dan Brown.
Bit of a heavier read, but very much reccomend Ken Follet's 'Pillars of the Earth' and 'World Without End'.
However, I do enjoy the Harry Potter movies; especially the FX.


For a bit of a change of pace (if you haven't already read them) I'm going to recommend to you The Mote in God's Eye and its sequel The Gripping Hand. Both are by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven.


Jerry suspects he was the first blogger.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 2:37:49 PM   
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 3:05:07 PM   
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Has Canada pulled ahead of the UK as a naval power yet?

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Give it a couple more years and I suspect our navy will be smaller than Austria or Switzerland's, never mind Canada....

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 4:11:15 PM   
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Give it a couple more years and I suspect our navy will be smaller than Austria or Switzerland's, never mind Canada..


GB is the aircraft carrier.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 4:11:54 PM   
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Give it a couple more years and I suspect our navy will be smaller than Austria or Switzerland's, never mind Canada..


GB is the aircraft carrier.




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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 5:55:21 PM   
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 6:20:16 PM   
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20-25 years ago Niven published some of his short stories in a paperback volume called N-Space. Most excellent. In there is an essay he did on the physics of Superman. I mean, how could such a being exist? What would be the physical consequences, of say - ahem - relations? It will have you rolling on the floor laughing.


"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"? From memory, but yes, a great story.

My older bro used to go to science fiction conventions in the 70s, before they got all corporate (Comiccon anyone?), and Niven used to be a favorite in the room parties with guitars, wine, and cross-legged discussions on the floor. This was in the "Ringworld" era, when sci-fi was still mostly "hard", with real science underpinnings. Then the socio-economic school of Harlan Ellison/Samuel R. Delany/Ursula K. Le Guin took over the industry. Now, when I rarely enter a bookstore, I don't even recognize the sci-fi aisle. It's all series-based fantasy cranked-out pulp crap. I don't think you can even approach a publisher now unless your idea has a series hook for 6+ books.

To me the original "Ringworld" (some of the later books were pretty bad) has to be in the top three for expansive imagination in the genre. "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" would complete the troika.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 6:22:11 PM   
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 6:27:37 PM   
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 6:30:50 PM   
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I gave'im the dreaded 'Red Dot'!


Well, only 6 posts, so he might not know. I give the benefit of the doubt.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 6:35:06 PM   
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I think it's pretty obvious he's a 'flamer'!

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 7:30:48 PM   
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I gave'im the dreaded 'Red Dot'!


Well, only 6 posts, so he might not know. I give the benefit of the doubt.


It seems he is a reincarnation of a several-times banned poster who keeps registering under new names. I sent a complaint about the avatar.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 7:35:45 PM   
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20-25 years ago Niven published some of his short stories in a paperback volume called N-Space. Most excellent. In there is an essay he did on the physics of Superman. I mean, how could such a being exist? What would be the physical consequences, of say - ahem - relations? It will have you rolling on the floor laughing.


"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"? From memory, but yes, a great story.

My older bro used to go to science fiction conventions in the 70s, before they got all corporate (Comiccon anyone?), and Niven used to be a favorite in the room parties with guitars, wine, and cross-legged discussions on the floor. This was in the "Ringworld" era, when sci-fi was still mostly "hard", with real science underpinnings. Then the socio-economic school of Harlan Ellison/Samuel R. Delany/Ursula K. Le Guin took over the industry. Now, when I rarely enter a bookstore, I don't even recognize the sci-fi aisle. It's all series-based fantasy cranked-out pulp crap. I don't think you can even approach a publisher now unless your idea has a series hook for 6+ books.

To me the original "Ringworld" (some of the later books were pretty bad) has to be in the top three for expansive imagination in the genre. "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" would complete the troika.


I think that is the name. I liked the Ringworld sequels, although the first book was certainly the best. With something so original such is often the case.

Niven and Pournelle each, and in their many works together, write the good stuff with, as you say, a hard science edge. Lucifer's Hammer, Footfall...

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 7:41:42 PM   
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Thanks for posting to the mods, witpqs.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 7:49:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad one poster pointed out how awful Moby Dick is. Three other incredibly bad books that somehow got deemed literature: A Passage to India, Wise Blood, and Tobacco Road.

Who was vested with the authority to deem books "classics," anyhow? I suspect it is college professors. As Harper Lee noted in To Kill a Mockingbird, college professors are among the class of people who have "no background."

P.S. I've taught as an adjuct professor at a local college, so don't take offense college professors.



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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 8:05:07 PM   
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 8:33:22 PM   
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20-25 years ago Niven published some of his short stories in a paperback volume called N-Space. Most excellent. In there is an essay he did on the physics of Superman. I mean, how could such a being exist? What would be the physical consequences, of say - ahem - relations? It will have you rolling on the floor laughing.


"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex"? From memory, but yes, a great story.

My older bro used to go to science fiction conventions in the 70s, before they got all corporate (Comiccon anyone?), and Niven used to be a favorite in the room parties with guitars, wine, and cross-legged discussions on the floor. This was in the "Ringworld" era, when sci-fi was still mostly "hard", with real science underpinnings. Then the socio-economic school of Harlan Ellison/Samuel R. Delany/Ursula K. Le Guin took over the industry. Now, when I rarely enter a bookstore, I don't even recognize the sci-fi aisle. It's all series-based fantasy cranked-out pulp crap. I don't think you can even approach a publisher now unless your idea has a series hook for 6+ books.

To me the original "Ringworld" (some of the later books were pretty bad) has to be in the top three for expansive imagination in the genre. "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" would complete the troika.

i just picked up a new-ish novel (in paperback) by Pournelle (and Edward M. Lerner) called Destroyer of Worlds ... supposed by be a "prequel" of Ringworld series... they just came out with a second novel/prequel that is in hardback... i haven't started it yet, but i'll let you know.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/5/2010 11:32:53 PM   
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which has reduced secondary education back to the 3Rs,


Reading, righting and rythemtic?

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/6/2010 12:13:28 AM   
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which has reduced secondary education back to the 3Rs,


Reading, righting and rythemtic?


Yep. Idioms don't have to make sense. In fact, I think that's part of the difference between an idiom and an aphorism. (An adage is on its own.)

When I have taught English to immigrants, I've often done some work with idioms, since native speakers use them so frequently and there's no way to decipher them. They have to be memorized. "It's raining cats and dogs" is a good first example.

"A penny saved is a penny earned" can be logically figured out.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/6/2010 12:14:19 AM   
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It seems he is a reincarnation of a several-times banned poster who keeps registering under new names. I sent a complaint about the avatar.


If so his efforts are becoming ever more ham-handed. Thanks for the tip.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/6/2010 12:18:05 AM   
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I think that is the name. I liked the Ringworld sequels, although the first book was certainly the best. With something so original such is often the case.

Niven and Pournelle each, and in their many works together, write the good stuff with, as you say, a hard science edge. Lucifer's Hammer, Footfall...


I've read the two you mention, as well as the "Mote" novels. Many years ago now.

The Ringworld universe fell off the truck IMO when he left the science and the wealth of plots available in a space so big to engage in repeated, sniggering discourses on inter-species sex ("rishathra".) It was enough already the first forty times.

I wonder how many kiddie gamers entranced by "Halo" have ever heard of "Ringworld". Or even Dyson spheres?

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/6/2010 12:26:47 AM   
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I'm glad one poster pointed out how awful Moby Dick is. Three other incredibly bad books that somehow got deemed literature: A Passage to India, Wise Blood, and Tobacco Road.

Who was vested with the authority to deem books "classics," anyhow? I suspect it is college professors. As Harper Lee noted in To Kill a Mockingbird, college professors are among the class of people who have "no background."



Well, she wrote one very good classic novel. Melville wrote a bit more.

"Moby" isn't for everyone, but it is indeed a classic in what it attempted, and what it achieved. As someone else said, it is a Christian allegory tale, not a how-to on the whaling industry, but many readers approach it as the lattter. I also don't think you could class it with the tawdry "Tobacco Road", the butt of thousands of jokes and not taught in college courses except as an example of What Not To Do.

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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/6/2010 1:29:24 AM   
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RE: OT - Running Out of British Assets? Buy Some - 12/6/2010 4:12:43 AM   
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So that's how you spell 'allegory'!


Yep.

I once heard an English Ph.D. candidate say that 50% of all "great English novels" are Christian allegories in one way or another. IOW, when in doubt on the final, Go Church, Go C+!

Works for Film Appreciation courses too. (Can anybody say Cool Hand Luke? I knew that ya could!)

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