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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:10:32 PM   
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OK - a question for the forumites... is it an "old German tradition" that MEN also get engagement rings? Inquiring minds want to know!!


I'll say no. Germans have never seemed too jewelry obsessed to me. The lederhosen on the other hand . . .

i'd never heard of such a thing, but i figure we have more European types to weigh in on the matter...


Fear the wiki, never heard of this before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmal_ring

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:11:04 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:12:24 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:12:36 PM   
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Just finished watching "Restrepo". After that and "Armadillo", I could make a comment or two about Afghanistan, but it's probably better that I don't.


It's sandy and hot. The bit I've been to is quite high as well.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:13:08 PM   
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Just finished watching "Restrepo". After that and "Armadillo", I could make a comment or two about Afghanistan, but it's probably better that I don't.


It's sandy and hot. The bit I've been to is quite high as well.


I thought you preferred the dry heat?

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:15:03 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.

i saw a reconstruction of this not too long ago... it turns out they did things right (i.e. - as they had trained), but the planners miscalculated the current. The DD tanks kept steering for a particular landmark (a steeple) but the current kept pushing them off course... they kept correcting, and pretty soon they had corrected so much that they were broadside to the wave action, and got swamped.

They had conducted several landings on the British coast, but the practice site did not have the cross-current of the Omaha beach area.


I think I remember seeing that as well. Iirc they dove on one of the sunken tanks during the episode.

Given how thoroughly researched the plan and the area was its kinda hard to believe they missed the presence/effects of the current on dd tanks.


My granddad took us to one of the practice beaches, Slapton Sands. There was a Sherman that had been recovered from the seabed after the e-boats got amongst the training

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:17:57 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.

i saw a reconstruction of this not too long ago... it turns out they did things right (i.e. - as they had trained), but the planners miscalculated the current. The DD tanks kept steering for a particular landmark (a steeple) but the current kept pushing them off course... they kept correcting, and pretty soon they had corrected so much that they were broadside to the wave action, and got swamped.

They had conducted several landings on the British coast, but the practice site did not have the cross-current of the Omaha beach area.


I think I remember seeing that as well. Iirc they dove on one of the sunken tanks during the episode.

Given how thoroughly researched the plan and the area was its kinda hard to believe they missed the presence/effects of the current on dd tanks.


My granddad took us to one of the practice beaches, Slapton Sands. There was a Sherman that had been recovered from the seabed after the e-boats got amongst the training


It's hard to see how the allies forked up that exercise as well.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:20:12 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:36:15 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:40:40 PM   
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Not having seen Armadillo, any particular differences stand out?


They're both about young kids at war with an invisble enemy.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:41:04 PM   
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OK - a question for the forumites... is it an "old German tradition" that MEN also get engagement rings? Inquiring minds want to know!!


I'll say no. Germans have never seemed too jewelry obsessed to me. The lederhosen on the other hand . . .

i'd never heard of such a thing, but i figure we have more European types to weigh in on the matter...


Fear the wiki, never heard of this before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmal_ring

Interesting... don't think this applies to the case i am looking at, but it sort of implies an engagement ring for men.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:43:10 PM   
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1) Reading about Charles XII for the first time and finding out where Poltava was located. This is where the most important real estate in the Russo-Swedish war was? Really?


Actually, yes, in a way. Charles was not aiming for just Russia but also Poland-Lithuania, which he really didnt really control. Also, in those days, Cossacks in Zaporozhye and Sech (Ukraine, which was part of Poland) and Don (Russia) played a very large role in the politics of the time. He was moving through those areas because he thought that he would receive less resistance there and could possibly be able to incite the Cossacks to rise up against their respective masters. He was wrong.

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RE: LOG! - 1/7/2011 10:43:14 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.


and some high level movers and shakers (including Patton) declined to support pushing forward the deployment of the T-26....it being felt the Sherman would be the more mobile of the two.




Odd, Patton would have been privy to a lot of post-Kasserine reports when he took over II Corps and seen the relative effectiveness of the Sherman during NA and Sicily. Maybe he still believed in the tank vs. inf, tank-destroyer vs. tank theory. Actually, I call that another wtf moment.


According to Belton Cooper, Patton was most worried about mobility in his tanks and was under the impression [mistaken according to Cooper] that the "heavy" tank M-26 Pershing would be less mobile. While not mentioning Patton specifically, this was later confirmed in Zaloga's recent book on the Sherman, stating that men within the higher army command and procurement/dev branch were of similar opinion. In reality the M26, was if anything more mobile than the M4 due to superior off road performance and wasn't the 'gas guzzler' feared on roads. Had the M-26 been more enthusiastically embraced prior to D-Day, alot of tankers might have lived in cases where they got taken out. The other prob of the period though was that during Tunisia and North Africa, the M4 was a fully modern tank and compared well to both enemy tanks and AT weapons. This fostered a sense of complacency. However by D-day....the situation changed but the M4 didn't in the large part. Thats the heart of Cooper's point in his book. He wasn't saying the Sherman sucked......but that it by 44, it was inadequate vs. the most common AT weapons now 'standard' in the German army (mainly 75AT weapons and inf-AT weapons). The occasional clash with heavy German tanks only added to the woes and the earlier M4's prior to the A3 wide track performed poorly offroad. The M-26 would have addressed much of this and in that author's opinion would have both saved lives and allowed the Allies to advance faster. I found it an interesting revelation as i'd not realized the Pershing tank could have been ready far sooner than it was.



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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:46:22 PM   
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Hi all,

It is +12 degrees Centigrade here tithe... it was around -4 degrees centigrade for two weeks until yesterday...


Leo "Apollo11"


3 inches of snow expected here today. I think the news media are calling it Snowpocalypse 2.

Didja see the Onion News link I posted yesterday? I rest my case.


Yes. Very much on point, unfortunately.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:48:49 PM   
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Post "Black Swan" tithe. Very good movie. Surprisingly so. I dint think Hollyweird could pull that off anymore. She's not a great actress, but she played very well.


so she's filled out since being a Cleaner wannabe in The Professional? flipping thru channels the other day and caught that one again...Gary Oldman is one of my favorites...


As a woman, somewhat. As an actress, not really.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:49:39 PM   
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Personal wtf moments in reading military history (started thinking about this last night when I saw something about #1 again):

1) Reading about Charles XII for the first time and finding out where Poltava was located. This is where the most important real estate in the Russo-Swedish war was? Really?

2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.

3) Seeing Nagumo's search plan for Midway, frantically going back to see how many planes KB had and thinking, you guessed it, wtf.

Feel free to add.

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- Italy's decision to invade Greece in October and Regia Marina's naval plans
- Sending Force Z to the Far East/Not reinforcing Malaya and Singapore with any modern aircraft or tanks
- French Saar offensive in 1940
- US declining the offer of DD tanks for D-Day
- Just about every decision made by Japanese commanders in WWII
- Hermann Goering? Why?



A lot of 20/20 hindsight there.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:49:53 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:53:17 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:53:43 PM   
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As a director I would have suggested that nudity play a major role in the film. Still pretty good tho.

Full frontal nudity? Hooray!


Only of women.

I thought you extraterrestrials didn't have such artificial and externally differentiable constructs as 'men' and 'women'. Don't tell me you're forgetting the differences, little red dude?


All the ones in this galaxy do.


Ah, the Venutians.....

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:55:02 PM   
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Personal wtf moments in reading military history (started thinking about this last night when I saw something about #1 again):

1) Reading about Charles XII for the first time and finding out where Poltava was located. This is where the most important real estate in the Russo-Swedish war was? Really?

2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.

3) Seeing Nagumo's search plan for Midway, frantically going back to see how many planes KB had and thinking, you guessed it, wtf.

Feel free to add.

Warspite1

- Italy's decision to invade Greece in October and Regia Marina's naval plans
- Sending Force Z to the Far East/Not reinforcing Malaya and Singapore with any modern aircraft or tanks
- French Saar offensive in 1940
- US declining the offer of DD tanks for D-Day
- Just about every decision made by Japanese commanders in WWII
- Hermann Goering? Why?



A lot of 20/20 hindsight there.

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Of course - after all, we know what happened .

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:56:37 PM   
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Nobody would seriously claim that Natalie Portman is a good actress, but she IS easy on the eyes.


Must be a cultural thing. I look at her and see a PITA. Must be some 6th sense Jewish men are equipped with at birth.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:57:34 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:58:42 PM   
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BTW, have you guys got any plans for your End Of Days parties? What with dead birds falling out of the sky all over, dead fish and crabs washing ashore and the Internet about to stop working, the Apocalypse is definitely at hand...


I thought we still have until net year. Although there is that group in the midwest somewhere thats claiming it will be in July or August or somesuch.

I think I need to practice more for the apocalypse. Still havent bought Fallout Vegas.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:59:59 PM   
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Personal wtf moments in reading military history (started thinking about this last night when I saw something about #1 again):

1) Reading about Charles XII for the first time and finding out where Poltava was located. This is where the most important real estate in the Russo-Swedish war was? Really?

2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.

3) Seeing Nagumo's search plan for Midway, frantically going back to see how many planes KB had and thinking, you guessed it, wtf.

Feel free to add.

Warspite1

- Italy's decision to invade Greece in October and Regia Marina's naval plans
- Sending Force Z to the Far East/Not reinforcing Malaya and Singapore with any modern aircraft or tanks
- French Saar offensive in 1940
- US declining the offer of DD tanks for D-Day
- Just about every decision made by Japanese commanders in WWII
- Hermann Goering? Why?



A lot of 20/20 hindsight there.

Warspite1

Of course - after all, we know what happened .


Yes. Yes we do....

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 11:01:02 PM   
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Or you're just being picky...


Yes. Yes I am....





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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 11:06:00 PM   
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BTW, have you guys got any plans for your End Of Days parties? What with dead birds falling out of the sky all over, dead fish and crabs washing ashore and the Internet about to stop working, the Apocalypse is definitely at hand...


I didn't get the notice. I guess I'll have some rum.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 11:07:05 PM   
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BTW, have you guys got any plans for your End Of Days parties? What with dead birds falling out of the sky all over, dead fish and crabs washing ashore and the Internet about to stop working, the Apocalypse is definitely at hand...

Oh no. Did someone break the news to Al Gore that his invention is on the blink? Surely he can save us all.

Kristian, c'mon over. I've some tasty Kool-Aide for you to try. Let me know if there's too much "sugar" in it...

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 11:09:33 PM   
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BTW, have you guys got any plans for your End Of Days parties? What with dead birds falling out of the sky all over, dead fish and crabs washing ashore and the Internet about to stop working, the Apocalypse is definitely at hand...


I thought we still have until net year. Although there is that group in the midwest somewhere thats claiming it will be in July or August or somesuch.

I think I need to practice more for the apocalypse. Still havent bought Fallout Vegas.

Speaking of which...

On a recent long travel overseas, the hotel movie channel had the movie "2012". Being jetlagged to hell, I decided to put in on for a bit. What a steaming pile of drek that was.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 11:10:48 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 11:20:52 PM   
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BTW, have you guys got any plans for your End Of Days parties? What with dead birds falling out of the sky all over, dead fish and crabs washing ashore and the Internet about to stop working, the Apocalypse is definitely at hand...

Oh no. Did someone break the news to Al Gore that his invention is on the blink? Surely he can save us all.

Kristian, c'mon over. I've some tasty Kool-Aide for you to try. Let me know if there's too much "sugar" in it...


Gee Willikers Pastor Jones, I'll be on the next flight out!

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