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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/9/2011 9:08:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Third Panzer in conjunction with 9th Army reaches the outskirts of Smolensk.

The Soviets remain on the Dnepr from Mogilev to Smolensk.




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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/9/2011 9:19:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slogging away in AGN. Gotta say I love battles that I lose at 1.9 to 1, haha.

Infantry forces of AGN are now oriented east/west rather than north/south. The Pskov pocket ramains. "Letting" them stew as they shrugged off attacks to consolidate.






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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/9/2011 9:56:24 PM   
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AGN and Finns, half of AGC, max zoom:








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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/9/2011 10:00:09 PM   
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Further south left out, I'm basically staring at the Soviets at Odessa.






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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/9/2011 10:02:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Historical rate of advance for comparisons sake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eastern_Front_1941-06_to_1941-12.png

Compared to history, I'm not doing so awful. Rate of advance, anyway. Soviets have a ton of manpower in game, though. So it's still a slugging match in most places.

I'm going to have to pick up the pace so I can get my butt kicked on the east side of the Dnepr during the blizzard, instead of the west side. Hopefully this last turn is a start to that happening.

Oh yeah, the Italians are nearing the front. Well, the very, very rear of the front. Garrison duty is in their future. The party favors shipped back from Kiev have fallen into their hands....

I continue to appreciate all comments. And the advice from all who take the time to render it. 2ndACR, thanks much.



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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/10/2011 8:27:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 9 returned with the usual alacrity.

In AGN, Soviets have fallen back to the Luga/Novgorod axis. Generally well dug in, behind level 2 and 3 forts in the north. The lines run on down to VL and AGC. As my "Get there firstest with the mostest" strategy has failed spectaculary, I will now attempt to switch to "Hit 'em where they ain't." Not sure how that will work, as Soviets are everywhere, haha. Hopefully though this will loosen up AGN a bit, and provide a return to maneuver warfare, which has been missing since turns 2/3.

Pardon my mixing (butchering) Civil war quotes with dead ball baseball quotes. I find that sports and war analogies work well together, at times. =P

AGC:

Soviets remain heavily committed at the tail end of the land bridge around Smolensk. South of there Soviets have fallen behind the Pronya, Sozh and Besed rivers, in the top half of AGC. He is finally off the Dnepr, at least. Ongoing strategy for the next few turns will resemble AGN's,

Around Gomel I intend to finish sealing the pocket off, and consolidating the link-up with First Panzer. Rescuing the motorized unit in Kiev is also on the menu.

AGS:

As noted above, will finish off the linkup with Second Panzer and associated smallish pocket. The hold at Zhitomir that I noted above hurt badly, as Soviets emptied out Zhit, and is now behind the Irpen/Ros/Sinyukha line. If that attack had been successful, I could have sealed that up.. I probably wouldn't have somewhat linked up with Second Panzer in that case, though. So there are plusses and minuses. But that's a net minus, as Zhitomir was a nice consolidation of Soviet troops. I will have to settle for the Prip Marshes pocket, and Kiev, I guess.

11th Army remains in contact generally, on the Bug.

These are general impressions at start of Turn 9.



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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 1:29:08 AM   
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Elements of the Karelian Army reach the "no attack line" on the east side of Lake Ladoga. Soviets have security regiments along the line, digging in.

The active portion of Kannas Army enters into a game of tiddlywinks with the Soviets, along the no attack line to immediate north of Leningrad. Oleg has a fortress, and 3 sec regiments here that are currently visible.

The level of commitment along the "no attack line" by the Soviets was not subject to any house rules at start of game.

The units committed seems fair to me, as it is voluntary on Oleg's part to commit the generally higher moral Sec regiments over fortresses.







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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 1:34:33 AM   
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In AGN, 4th Panzer breaks through in conjunction with 16th and 18th armies, and elements of 2nd Army. MP's were somewhat low, so a leaky pocket is started, as 4th Panzer reaches Lake Ilmen.

Elements of 2nd Army sieze VL, finally having the MP's to actually move in.




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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 1:41:56 AM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 2:01:12 AM   
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Giving it the old war college try.

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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 2:03:08 AM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 2:17:38 AM   
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Sun Tzu is so cliche'. Let's find a more obscure Chinese General. One the hipsters would be happy to quote....

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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 2:30:28 AM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 3:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		His name sounds appropriately awesome. I'd google him, but I'm trying to arrange my own cannon to lay some on heavy so I can cross a big river. Running low on AP's, sigh.

Maybe I can borrow 10-15 of his "72" though? I'm running low, and may have to settle for largish fireworks to shoot at the Soviets...





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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 3:18:13 AM   
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AGC:

Third Panzer crosses the northern Dnepr west of Smolensk after 9th Army opens a singleton hole. He was generally well dug in along the line(s), which is my own fault. This goes back to turn 3/4 when I waited for infantry, rather than consolidating what I had nearby into a fish, and plunging on. I pay for it now, having to break down level 2 and 3 fortresses. Oy...

I continue to grind on, but it's like running in quicksand.








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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 3:34:17 AM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 4:37:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for taking the time, Jomni.

We were just joking around, though. I wasn't about not having heard of him. But the rest was kidding around, hehe.



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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 5:41:34 AM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 6:05:02 AM   
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AGC:

At Gomel Second Panzer and 4th Army continue to cross the Dnepr/Besed widening the bridgehead.






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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 6:07:53 AM   
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AGS:

First Panzer nearly closes the gap with Second Panzer. The landline has been closed. Unfortunately, MP's prevented a full closure that will last he Soviet turn. The Soviets will have their 1 movement minimum and be able to reconnect due east of Chernigov, most likely. First Cav and GD Motor Regiment are in the swamps, along with 34th ID, and hopefully will close the pocket completely next turn.

In Kiev, the L.A.H. SS Motorized was cut out of the Soviet surround. East Kiev was attacked and cleared, but we were unable to advance due to MP's.

6th Army assisted in the relief of Kiev, and moved to contact, otherwise. 17th Army moved to contact with Soviets south of Kiev.






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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 6:16:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, 2ndACR. He now has size 3 forts interspersed. Haven't seen any 4's yet, at least. I suspect those will start popping, though. The road to Leningrad has quite a few 3's now, soon to be 4's if I can't get 'em popped.

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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 6:19:00 AM   
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AGS:

In the far south, the Romanians have seized Odessa. 11th Army crosses the Bug at 1 location northeast of Nikolaev. Otherwise forces continue movement to contact with the Soviets.







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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 2:53:41 PM   
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Your doing fine. The Russians dig extremely fast. Everyone says the Germans are faster, but I am not so sure.


Both sides are about the same on levels 1 and 2, although the Germans are a bit faster on average to 2 due to the much higher construction value. From 3 on, the Germans are easily twice as fast. I can get a single German division into a level 4 fort in about 6 turns, sooner if stacked.

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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 7:15:59 PM   
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Pre-recon


Pop. First size 4 Soviet fort encountered on the Luga at Kingisepp, as I scan Soviet positions at start of turn 10. Soviets start with a unit in the hex with a size 2 fort, if I remember right. So, from 2 to 4 in 10 turns? That's not really that fast, I don't think. But it sure hurts now, haha.

Those rounds of failed 1.9 to 1 attacks hurt now, as well, in that immediate vicinity, as he is generally behind size 3 forts from the coast south along the river. Fortunately a linkup is in the works, with additional forces being added to the attack.

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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 8:48:47 PM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 8:50:28 PM   
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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 8:52:05 PM   
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Shockingly small.

On the expected plus side, I haven't lost any units. Yay...

I'm not going to put up air losses, he's down 6300 or so, I'm down just shy of 1000. This does hurt as fuel delivery to the Panzers is growing ever smaller. The Soviets air interdictions, still infrequent are causing ever higher casualties when they do fire off. Damn Goring and his promises, haha.




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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 9:40:25 PM   
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AGN:

AGN continues to plod north.

The units of XXVI Corps/18th Army link up with L Corps/2nd Army and bash a hole in the defenses on the Luga. The 2 hex wide breach is occupied, but lack MP's to move any further into the hole. This should compel the Soviets to move off the Luga defenses on their turn. But once again, they should slip away to reform. Pocket = missed. Maybe the Soviets will allow me a sympathy hot pocket? I sure could use one....

Second Armies seizure of VL doesn't appear that frightening to the Soviets, I suppose. They have thinned out their forces in the vicinty. I assume these were moved to the south of Lake Ilmen to head off the 4th Army Panzers. This is ok, as it eases Second Armies slow advance. I don't intend to go around Lake Ilmen really, just having feinted in that direction. Light forces of 18th Army have moved into the void south of Lake Ilmen somewhat, to hold the Soviets back as best they can.

Thus, Operation Prevent Courland Pocket in 1941, is off to a successful start. There is not a giant ledge forming a convenient jumpoff spot to surround AGC and cut off AGN. Since I have very little else to feel good about, I am happy about this =P. Second Army has achieved the goal set for it at the start of the campaign. Pretty much my only Army to do so, haha. I can't claim total success yet, as the Blizzard approaches....He still has time to surround AGC, maybe...

I remain disappointed that I am not close to Gorki and Baku, and that the war is far from over.

I don't intend to accept this position (South of Lake Ilmen, north of VL) until the blizzard, as he will simply shove me out of the nice, warm and cozy city of VL on the first turn he can attack. Second Army will have to do this with their own limited forces, however. They continue to hold the vital link between AGN and AGC.




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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 10:24:57 PM   
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AGC:

Smolensk is captured. Third Panzer finds open space south and creates a smallish pocket. Ended up having a motorized that had mp's to close it off, woot.

I don't want to go much further south with Third Panzer at all. This smallish pocket was inviting, and with infantry available I took it. I imagine theSoviets wouldn't mind if I swim in the Dnepr the rest of the summer, haha.

Third Panzer will be heading east/northeast generally in future...






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RE: Senno v Oleg; Starring in "Proof Beyond a Reas... - 3/11/2011 11:23:19 PM   
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AGC:

Minor elements of Second Panzer (Cav, Motorized Regiment, 1 ID) continue operations to seal in the Prip Pocket, reaching 17th Army west of Chernigov.





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