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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/1/2011 11:54:51 PM   
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Yes, mud next turn but I'd like to know who runs faster in the mud... German infantry (retreating to save their lives) or Soviet cavalry

I might bag 2 German infantry divisions... The place? The one which is way too empty: Voronezh area.

So I oficially start Operation "Watch Out, Monsters Under your Bed!"

Hmm, and if this operation does not work maybe he'd be diverting forces near Stalino to the threatened area...




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/1/2011 11:58:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		It sort of depends on what your approach is with fronts/armies. In the past, I have had a tendency to make sure I don't overload fronts as I go along. That means I have a lot of armies in the line that are directly attached to Stavka, which is not necessarily a good thing.

I have not gotten a good feel on the difference between leaving fronts overloaded compared to those that are not.

Figure part of how much frontage a Front has with 3 armies full up (36 divisions) also depends on how much depth you are going with. A narrow front might be no more than 12 hexes wide (3 divisions per hex) or even narrower if you keep some reserves to switch out on tired units. (Probably no less than 9 hexes). If you go 2 divisions per hex, then you get a frontage of 18 hexes or so. Going longer, you could easily get into the mid 20's per front, especially if you do checker boards, etc.

Along with all this, it depends on where you are looking to launch a winter offensive. Personally, I like launching a heavy attack along that rail line just south of Lake Ilmen with Pskov as the target while also trying to launch an attack along the Gulf of Finland headed for the Narva river area. This will certainly get the attention of any Axis opponent since the only supply line would then be through the 1 hex opening just north of Pskov. Very handy to make the Germans back up from Leningrad. If you are planning something like that, then I would say NW Front is good on frontage.


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 12:05:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is the half-ar** plan. I will possibly bring more hordes. The idea is that the units that cannot infiltrate will be next to German units, like leeches... So there should many units in the front line.




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 12:15:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Klydon, I haven't calculated the whole thing but I suspect not overloading fronts is almost impossible (at least on 1941). You can have Stavka armies between two fronts, right, but the boss in charge of this high command is not that good. And the distance... I think I will have 4 armies per front: 96 CP That will be the maximum.

The fronts will all of course be different. Since I concentrate my forces around the most dangerous units (Panzers), these places will have more units. The fronts which face only infantry can be lightly defended. So it all depends on the enemy forces. In other words, I don't like uniformity. I concentrate my hordes

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 1:16:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, done. Well, I'd like to think it's 100% done but since I'm a sick bast*** I very much suspect I will end up bringing more hordes




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 3:04:37 AM   
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That will certainly put a crimp in his crumpets.


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 3:53:25 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 4:55:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ketza

He has a gone a steppe too far me thinks.


Clever! Hehe

There is not enough command space not to overload fronts not only in 1941, but even into 1942 and 1943. In fact, you may also be short of Army HQ's as well in 1941.

Part of the question is does a Russian overload all his fronts a little or some a lot while leaving others right at the limit? I have a tendency to go with the latter, especially when trying to straighten out my command structure. (Something I am still working on learning, but I don't overload new fronts that come in).

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 3:10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn done. In the south, to protect Stalino this is what I have done. The Western and Bryansk Fronts will need to move like an accordion on the next turns. That or I will need many APs




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 3:12:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: randallw
Front HQs 'hold' a maximum of 3 construction units; anything above that they may run away and move up/down the command chain, unless you lock that HQ.

There's also a minimum amount that HQs like to have; Stavka requires none so those 10 you put there may run off to a Front HQ; Fronts attempt to collect and keep 15.

Collecting support units is like a little game in itself.


Randall, all the HQs except the Stavka are locked. And given that these HQs already have sappers and RR brigades they shouldn't be sucking these units from the Stavka.


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 3:18:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Part of the question is does a Russian overload all his fronts a little or some a lot while leaving others right at the limit? I have a tendency to go with the latter, especially when trying to straighten out my command structure. (Something I am still working on learning, but I don't overload new fronts that come in).


That would be a solution. But as I see it the Front you will be overloading "a lot" will not be very efficient. And of course it will have many units = in my case, key, vital places where I am concentrating my forces. And the "not overloaded" fronts (efficient that is) would be in fact in places not that important. In other words, the less efficient fronts would be in vital areas (aka next to panzers)

I guess we need a balance. Let's see what can be done I think I will try with 4 armies per front (this is maximum).

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 8:30:03 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/2/2011 10:11:13 PM   
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Turn 18

16 october 1941


Mwahahahahaha! Do you remember the Tom & Jerry cartoon? Do you remember the bulldog that tells Jerry to "just whistle" any time he needs him? The thing is the bulldog is now tied...

The vict... er the 2 German divisions will be isolated...




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 12:24:27 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 12:30:50 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 12:35:52 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 3:13:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, except the operations near Voronezh area, not much happened, obviously: mud

But in both Smolensk and Orel areas he might be forming 2 nice pockets during the snow turns (I suspect) and swallow like a dozen divisions. The thing is I do NOT want to give him any division for free now. I don't need to do that. So I am starting the evacuation of these two future pockets In theory I should be recapturing these two cities during the blizzard, so...




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 3:32:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The more I look at the [nasty] operations near Voronezh the more I think about the Mongols

I only thought about an operation on this area on the last turn. I mean, to me this place was simply dangerous: tank country + few Stavka strategic reserves = let him do and of course try to escape unharmed.

But now that I am throwing many forces through his flanks and behind his front line I just had to think about the Mongols! That was their classic stratagem... Let the enemy think you are truly weak, let him advance deep into the steppes and then... suddenly charge against them, attacking flanks and surrounding the poor victim.

This is more or less what is happening now near Voronezh. In theory these two German infantry divisions (and now maybe one motorized division as well ) ARE my REAL objective. But I am starting to think that this part of the front might sort of collapse... No enemy units behind his threatened front, no tchouck tchouk (he could massively bring reinforcements) and mud...

I have brought around 30 units since I pasted the screenshot... cavalry (like 10) and infantry divisions, rifle and tank brigades. So I should be unleashing the bears.




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 3:59:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pipewrench 3/23/2011 5:22:42 AM
man oh man if you can somehow direct his advance towards stalino and preserve or even extend that flank he faces in the winter it could lead to an interesting blizzard.


You were prophetic, man But I'm attacking before the blizzard. Who would have thought it


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 5:30:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		In that case just watch your manpower, I wouldn't want you to miss the First Winter's opportunities cos your Divisions are burned out.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 6:13:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, these are the men I have in the pool (manpower) ready to be used: 231.575? On many turns I had 0. I was not sure if I had understood this part




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 6:16:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is due to some of the changes in 1.03. Armaments are an issue for both the Russians and Germans in 1941. You have manpower, but not rifles. Apparently this game doesn't let the Russian infantry equip themselves in the time honored tradition of sending men into combat without arms and telling them to pick up a rifle from a fallen comrade. 

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 6:24:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

Hmm, these are the men I have in the pool (manpower) ready to be used: 231.575? On many turns I had 0. I was not sure if I had understood this part





Don't you wish you had 200 Tig......er T-34s in the pool instead.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 6:25:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see, Klydon, thank you Time to reread the production system in the manual... Methinks I haven't read carefully that part

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 6:28:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aurelian, I am not looking at ALL at the production screen And I guess I should do that! Let me see, when I have checked a few minutes ago to screenshot the manpower thing I think I only had 20 or 30 T-34s in the pool. But I might be wrong.

Still, as long as I have infantrymen and cavalrymen ready to infiltrate the enemy lines and create a big mess... who needs the T-34s?

EDIT: now I can't look. I already finished and sent the turn

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 6:59:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you look in the production screen, anything with a "A" is armaments production. So if you either reduce units TOE that use that stuff (like AT brigades) or disband some to put stuff back into the pools (Like AT brigades or motorcycle regiments as a SU example) and increase your pool there, the armaments might get around to producing more rifles to equip your manpower. 

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 8:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another thing to do IF you decide that it is more importent to keep divisions up to strength instead of SU: Hit "C", select "units", select "offmap", select "none" then "art" and set maxTOE to 50%.

This will pretty much stop replacement of SU artillery and save the armaments points for rifles.

If that is too high a price to pay for rifles, set all infantry to 50% maxTOE and then turn the ones assigned to critical fronts back to 100% or some lessor number. This will at least put the rifles you do get into the divisions that are most inportent to you.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 8:47:24 PM   
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Turn 19

23 october 1941


YES!! On this turn a ring of steel will surround the two German infantry divisions I want to annihilate!

I very much doubt they can be saved (the bulldog is tied and well tied!). The rescuers --a German motorized division I wanted to massacre but I guess they will manage to escape and an Axis Allies motorized division-- might be annihilated as well

So let's keep bringing the old photoshops of my last AAR!





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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 9:05:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the massacre zone. I think I will be attacking now. I want them to be in one hex And finish them on the next turn As expected, he is diverting forces from both the north (Orel) and south (Stalino). Regiments are appearing... But these units cannot save the surrounded divisions. That's totally impossible. I guess he wants to fix this empty front. Schnell schnell!




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 4/3/2011 9:10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the tips, Klydon and Pompack

The truth is I still ignore many parts of the game I haven't played around with the TOEs %. But when I see a new unit on refit mode I disable it.

So in theory my divisions are at the 60% of their TOE.

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