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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/16/2010 1:33:23 AM   
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If you are interested/willing, here is a start to the list of ships I'm looking to add:

-Thai Taksin/Naresuan CL: For this one you will need to reference the Italian CLAA Etna as these ships were not completed or delivered and were taken over by the Italian Navy.

IJN
Pre-dreadnaughts
-Asahi: Former BB...fake turrets in place of the real ones so it still looks like an old Pre-dreadnaught but with large cranes admidships...it is technically a repair ship/sub tender.
-Fuji
-Shikishima
-Mikasa
-Kashima
-Satsuma

Dreadnaughts:
-Settsu

Protected Cruisers:
-Akitsushima
-Suma
-Tsushima
-Chikuma

Armored Cruisers:
-Ibuki
-Tsukuba
-Kasuga
-Yakumo
-Asama
-Azuma

Destroyers:
-Asakaze
-Umikaze
-Sakura
-Kaba
-Urakaze
-Isokaze

Most of these made it to the 1930s, and the cruisers and capital ships were actually still in existence during the war as training ships/hulks (some of them sunk in ports by USN Bombers).

So if you are interested, here is a project or two. I'm going to keep trying my hand at it, but any pointers you can give me for making the graphics would be appreciated.



Big B has an awesome version of Settsu, modernized for a shore bombardment role. You can find it on RogueUSMC's site.

What are you planning for the protected cruisers, armored cruisers and early pre-dreadnaughts? Do you plan on making auxiliaries out of them or are they going to retain their designations?


I'll go get BigB's Settsu.

As far as the protected cruisers...thinking along the lines of similar to their original configuration, but as PG or E type vessels. But if you keep the original look, that works great.

Allies probably won't be as extensive, since a lot of those ships already exist since Fremen has already done several of those vessels.

Thanks for doing this.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/16/2010 8:49:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of the ships listed above are in WPO. I'll use them but try to put a little more AEish flare in them if I can.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/21/2010 4:05:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the first half of the Alt_Naval fleet. Basically these are the large ships. My next installment will be the smaller vessels.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/21/2010 4:06:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		And here is a preveiw of what is included in the attached zip file above.





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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/22/2010 3:03:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, here is part 2 of 2 for the Alt Naval fleet. This time the smaller ships, CLs, DDs, PGs and CMs. I admit, I got a little lazy and instead of creating a new set of sides, I basically took the old sides I had for the smaller ships and tried to blend them a little better with the AE colors. So here is a (not so new) improved version of the Alt Naval small ships.



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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/22/2010 3:04:30 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/22/2010 1:43:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, good work from you. Your effort I know is appreciated by quite a few.Thanks again for another golden nugget.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/24/2010 9:46:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are Satsuma and Tsukuba for Shark7. I'll have more from your list eventually.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 10/25/2010 12:30:55 AM   
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Here are Satsuma and Tsukuba for Shark7. I'll have more from your list eventually.


Thank you.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 11/9/2010 5:19:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are interested in more art projects, I have a couple that are similar to Shark's.

Pre-Dreadnought BBs
US Virginia-class
US Connecticut/Louisiana-class
UK King Edward VII-class
UK Lord Nelson-class
Fra Danton-class

Armored Cruisers
US Tennessee-class (w/ Cage Foremast)
UK Duke of Edinburgh-class
UK Warrior-class
UK Minotaur-class
Fra Gueydon-class
Fra Dupleix-class
Fra Gloire-class
Fra Leon Gambetta-class
Fra Jules Michelet
Fra Ernest Renan
Fra Edgar Quinet

Light Cruisers
US Chester-class

Thank you in advance and let me know if there is any other information that you need.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/1/2010 4:02:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looking at the cruiser with the carrier deck, what was the projected type and number of planes something like that was projected to carry?

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/1/2010 4:14:35 AM   
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Looking at the cruiser with the carrier deck, what was the projected type and number of planes something like that was projected to carry?


Depending on which version, an airwing of 18 to 30 aircraft. Most likely Grumman FF-1s and SBU-1 Corsairs. Given the fact that it was to be built to light cruiser hull standards it would likely have limited stowage space and elevator dimensions.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/9/2010 12:34:47 PM   
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OK, this is the 2nd Option of the CF Cruiser (the flying deck cruiser) that I attempted to make myself. With having only a description and no blueprints, I had to use artistic (I use that term loosely) license


Little late, and it's not a blueprint, but would the springstyles help:

S-511-9: "Proposed Flight Deck Cruiser". Plan dated 8 December 1939 for a 12,000 ton flight deck cruiser ("CF") with a main battery of three 8" guns.
S-511-4: "Proposed Flight Deck Cruiser". Plan dated 19 December 1939 for a 12,000 ton flight deck cruiser ("CF") with a main battery of three 8" guns.
S-511-5: "Proposed Flight Deck Cruiser, CF-2". Plan dated 31 January 1940 for a 12,200 ton flight deck cruiser ("CF") with a main battery of six 6" guns.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s511-09c.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s511-04c.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s511-05c.htm

Top level for the entire springstyle album: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/albums/s511.htm

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/9/2010 1:28:51 PM   
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That BC would be a nice add to the game, i did a goggle search and never found the BC but I did find a CL that was started in 1939 by that name.


The BC is better known as Design or Project 1047, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_1047_battlecruiser Dutch thinking tended towards a Dutch-built Scharnhorst derivative.

The CLs started out as Eendracht (briefly Kijksduin) and De Zeven Provincien, then had a whole string of name changes ending up post war as De Zeven Provincien (the original Eendracht) and De Ruyter (formerly De Zeven Provincien). De Ruyter is still in service with the Peruvian Navy as CLM-81 Almirante Grau.

There's an interesting discussion of Dutch hypotheticals at http://www.avalanchepress.com/Spice_pieces1.php and http://www.avalanchepress.com/Spice_pieces2.php

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 2:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary...
In your working with the Omaha's, have you ever done a side with the conversion to an CLAA - perhaps with 4 tw 5"38s just for drill. That would be the best use for them if some far sighted air minded guy made it to BuShips...

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 3:19:52 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 3:56:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks too to me.. has this thing got 5 tw mts? What do you postulate for 1.1 or 40s, and light stuff??

Seems to me as it if would come in right handy quite often..

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 4:03:44 PM   
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Here's my attempt at such a thing, Reverend...




Termi...
I can't get the thing to download as a jpg...any suggestions..

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 8:01:25 PM   
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Looks too to me.. has this thing got 5 tw mts? What do you postulate for 1.1 or 40s, and light stuff??

Seems to me as it if would come in right handy quite often..


I see it as a USN equivalent to the RN prewar C-class CLAA conversions. 5x2 5in/38, 6x4 1.1 and 4x.50cal to start out, upgrading to replace 1.1 with 40mm and .50cal with 20mm

Try DL'ing the attached .zip file, it contains the side and shil bmp files. Let me know if it doesn't work, and I'll PM it to you.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 10:24:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks... Got it..
Now to plug it into the mod I am reworking..
Got a little carried away with some ideas from AltNav and the Iron Storm combination. Would have required the entire steel output of the combined allies AND what they could smuggle in from the Hephaestus Smelting Works at Lagrange Point Two.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/10/2010 10:28:53 PM   
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Sorry, what were we talking about?

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 12/11/2010 8:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Attached is a .zip file with a better side for an Omaha CLAA, using the 5in turrets from the Atlanta side. The other one had 6in SP turrets.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 1/20/2011 5:28:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gary, I really like your stuff here as usual. I do have one question. Have you made the stats for these ships to put into the editor as you for your what if Australian CVL you did a long time ago. I really liked your Hawkins CVL and the others and could use some ideas on wps, speed, ect.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/3/2011 10:28:06 PM   
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I don't have any recommendations for stats for the ships above. Basically when I do stats I usually try to eyeball it between the original stats of the original ship and maybe stats for a similar ship with similar upgrades. Doesn't always work well but it's the best way I know of.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/4/2011 12:21:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		So here's a quick offering. Instead of being scuttled at Scapa, Konig Class BBs get a new lease on life, refitted between wars. The middle turret is taken out and the deck space used for life boats and scout planes. Never was and not even in the right ocean, but maybe someone out there will do an Atlantic mod.




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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/4/2011 12:22:28 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/4/2011 6:49:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent work, Gary. If we ever finish tinkering Scen 70, I'm really tempted to make an alt_naval mod, using this art (assuming you're willing to let me use it, of course). I thought "This can make a great mod" when I first saw alt_naval fleet lineup, but that thought went nowhere my absolute lack of drawing ability.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/5/2011 1:27:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a nifty little ship I found at shipbucket.com. As far as I can tell this is purely fictional. I'm not even aware of any plans on the drawing board for this ship but it's a Dutch light cruiser/destroyer leader. The author of the drawing calls it the "Schelde" class. Looks pretty neat ergo I must make it...





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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/5/2011 1:36:05 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/5/2011 4:31:18 AM   
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