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Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 10:10:58 AM

Sun Tempest

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I never imagined such a poor strike for Japanese, at least in term of ships sunk. Thank God it was only against AI.

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Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 66
B5N2 Kate x 63
D3A1 Val x 101

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 1
P-40B Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 11 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 6 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 4 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
BB California, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Total of 6 torpedoes and 15 bombs (800 kg)

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 50
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 183
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 10000 feet
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
22 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 4000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th PG/6th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
15th PG/46th PS with P-36A Mohawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
18th PG/73rd PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
B5N2 Kate x 27

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Warhawk x 6
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 5 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb (all kates were on Port attack)

Overall only 164 + 27 (2nd strike) DBs and TBs participated at the strike, and all Kates except one attacked with bombs and not with torpedoes. At the end of the day, only 1 CL was sunk and the most heavily damaged BB had 60 sys and 54 flt. On the other hand, the PH airforce was pretty much obliterated, for very little losses for Japs.

Among the reasons for the poor result could be the absence of one flattop (Kaga in special mission), although its Vals complement was distributed among 2 carriers (Akagi and Soryu). Other than that, I see no obvious reason, except luck (better said lack of it)

Any opinions on how to avoid this "lovely" result (for Allies)

< Message edited by Sun Tempest -- 4/29/2011 10:15:38 AM >

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 10:24:07 AM

LoBaron

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Sun Tempest, did you transfer both squads of Kagas complement to another
flattop each?
If yes I think you overstacked your carriers, preventing them to launch.
The maximum # of planes per carrier is 110% capacity.

This asumption is enhanced by the low number of Zero escorts which indicates that
some squads are missing on the strike.

Whether the Kates drop 800kg bombs or shoot torps is mostly a matter of luck.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 12:02:26 PM

Atilla60

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@Sun Tempest

FWIW, I once did it even worse, and that was in a PBEM. Historical first turn BTW.

I barely scratched the Batlewagons, and the only ship sunk, was a minelayer.

Kind of made my initial speculations, whether or not to commence a second strike, fade away.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 12:26:12 PM

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My recently restarted game only saw 1 or2 small ships sunk on the 1st day's attacks. I had bomb hits all over the place and many heavily damaged BBs. When I went for the 2nd day of attacks I had little plane losses due to good numbers of plane hits on the 1st day. The 2nd days attacks only saw 1 BB sunk but I am fairly sure I pretty much cleared the rest of the smaller ships from their docks :) I never did load as the US to see the actual losses but then again, my 2nd day appeared to go so well it was not really a big concern for me.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 2:21:15 PM

Major SNAFU_M

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I just started a new Allied GC with BabesLite and I have no ships sunk after the initial raid at PH. I have 3 BBS that will be out of commission for 250+ days or so. But I expect all of them to make it at this point and the majority to be back in the war by Fall '43.

Actually, I have 1 and maybe 2 BBs that *could* sortie out with some CLs and DDs, if I knew where to send them. I did find 2 BBs and 4 AOs off to the NW, but I don't think I'll prosecute the target.

I an using the K9 beta

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 3:09:30 PM

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I had a pretty awful first strike on Pearl in my game with witpqs testing out my Mod...

quote:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41
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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-14, hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 1
PC Taney

PC Taney loses contact with SSX Ha-14

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Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 132 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 49 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 77
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 108

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 9 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 9 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 4 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 4 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 4
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
ARD YFD-2, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Castor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 3
Manpower hits 6
Fires 3768
Airbase hits 43
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 121
Port hits 15
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Morning Air attack on Lahaina , at 182,108

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
D3A1 Val x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Gulfland, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 2

Not a single Kate launched a torpedo...

...the worst part is I decided to hang around a second day and witpqs was able to engage KB and the replenishment TF with surface units the night of the third day...

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 09, 41
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Night Time Surface Combat, near French Frigate Shoal at 173,101, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 4
CV Hiryu, Shell hits 1
CV Soryu, Shell hits 1
CV Shokaku, Shell hits 1
CV Zuikaku
CV Akagi
BB Hiei, Shell hits 1
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Abukuma
DD Akigumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kagero
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Arare, Shell hits 1
DD Kasumi

Allied Ships
CA Minneapolis, Shell hits 6, on fire
CL Detroit
CL Helena
CL Phoenix
DD Cummings
DD Case
DD Conyngham, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Shaw

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 67% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Kaga at 12,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Shokaku at 12,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Soryu at 12,000 yards
DD Conyngham engages CV Shokaku at 12,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CA Minneapolis at 12,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Cummings at 12,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CA Chikuma at 12,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CA Tone at 12,000 yards
DD Conyngham engages DD Kasumi at 12,000 yards
DD Akigumo engages DD Conyngham at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
DD Conyngham engages CV Shokaku at 10,000 yards
DD Conyngham engages CV Soryu at 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Shaw at 10,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Kaga at 10,000 yards
DD Case engages DD Arare at 10,000 yards
DD Cummings engages DD Arare at 10,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages CA Minneapolis at 10,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Case at 10,000 yards
DD Case engages DD Shiranui at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Kaga at 8,000 yards
CL Phoenix engages CV Kaga at 8,000 yards
CL Helena engages CV Kaga at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Hiryu at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Kaga at 8,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CA Minneapolis at 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Minneapolis at 8,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages CA Minneapolis at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CA Tone at 8,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Shaw at 8,000 yards
DD Akigumo engages DD Conyngham at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CL Abukuma at 8,000 yards
CL Phoenix engages CV Kaga at 8,000 yards
CL Helena engages CV Shokaku at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Soryu at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Hiryu at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Kaga at 8,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CL Helena at 8,000 yards
DD Cummings engages DD Akigumo at 8,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CA Tone at 8,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Conyngham at 8,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Cummings at 8,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Case at 8,000 yards
DD Conyngham engages DD Isokaze at 8,000 yards
DD Shaw engages DD Kagero at 8,000 yards
DD Case engages DD Akigumo at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Soryu at 11,000 yards
CA Minneapolis engages CV Hiryu at 11,000 yards
DD Akigumo engages DD Conyngham at 11,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages CA Minneapolis at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Minneapolis at 11,000 yards
DD Cummings engages DD Kasumi at 11,000 yards
DD Conyngham engages DD Arare at 11,000 yards
DD Shaw engages DD Isokaze at 11,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Case at 11,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near French Frigate Shoal at 173,101, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Amagiri, Shell hits 2
DD Akebono, Shell hits 2
AO Ken'yo Maru, Shell hits 1
AO Kokuyo Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Kyokuto Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
AO Nippon Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
AO Shinkoku Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires
AO Toei Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
AO Toho Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Bagley
DD Blue, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Helm, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Mugford, Shell hits 3
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Jarvis, Shell hits 3

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 67% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 9,000 yards
DD Jarvis launches Torpedoes at DD Amagiri at 9,000 yards
DD Henley launches Torpedoes at DD Amagiri at 9,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot launches Torpedoes at DD Amagiri at 9,000 yards
DD Mugford launches Torpedoes at DD Amagiri at 9,000 yards
DD Henley launches Torpedoes at AO Nippon Maru at 9,000 yards
DD Henley launches Torpedoes at AO Kyokuto Maru at 9,000 yards
DD Jarvis launches Torpedoes at AO Kokuyo Maru at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Jarvis at 6,000 yards
DD Patterson engages DD Amagiri at 6,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Mugford at 6,000 yards
DD Helm engages AO Nippon Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Kyokuto Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Henley engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Jarvis at 5,000 yards
DD Patterson engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Henley engages AO Toho Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Ralph Talbot at 5,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Mugford engages AO Nippon Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Blue at 5,000 yards
DD Bagley engages DD Akebono at 5,000 yards
DD Bagley engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Blue at 3,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Patterson at 3,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Akebono at 3,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages DD Amagiri at 3,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Helm at 3,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Blue at 3,000 yards
DD Patterson engages AO Kokuyo Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Blue engages DD Akebono at 3,000 yards
DD Patterson engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Henley engages AO Toho Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Toei Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Blue engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Helm engages AO Nippon Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Henley engages AO Kokuyo Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Jarvis at 2,000 yards
DD Patterson engages AO Kyokuto Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Helm engages AO Toho Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages AO Toei Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Mugford at 2,000 yards
DD Helm engages AO Nippon Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Blue at 2,000 yards
DD Bagley engages AO Kokuyo Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Blue engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Jarvis at 2,000 yards
DD Patterson engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Akebono at 2,000 yards
DD Mugford engages AO Toei Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Akebono at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Blue at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Bagley at 2,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Jarvis at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Jarvis at 2,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages AO Toho Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Mugford at 2,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Helm at 2,000 yards
DD Blue engages AO Shinkoku Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Helm engages AO Kokuyo Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Mugford engages AO Ken'yo Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards
DD Patterson engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Ralph Talbot at 4,000 yards
DD Amagiri engages DD Mugford at 4,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Helm at 4,000 yards
DD Blue engages AO Kyokuto Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Bagley engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Helm at 7,000 yards
DD Blue engages DD Amagiri at 7,000 yards
DD Akebono engages DD Henley at 7,000 yards
DD Helm engages AO Toei Maru at 7,000 yards
DD Blue engages AO Nippon Maru at 7,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near French Frigate Shoal at 172,101, Range 23,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 1
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu
CV Shokaku
CV Zuikaku
CV Akagi
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
CL Abukuma
DD Akigumo
DD Kagero
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Arare
DD Kasumi

Allied Ships
DD Bagley, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Mugford, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Patterson
DD Jarvis, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 23,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 23,000 yards
CV Akagi , CV Zuikaku , CV Shokaku ,
CV Soryu screened from combat
- escorted by DD Hamakaze , DD Urakaze
Range closes to 20,000 yards
CV Akagi , CV Zuikaku , CV Shokaku ,
CV Soryu , CV Hiryu , CV Kaga screened from combat
- escorted by DD Arare , DD Tanikaze , DD Shiranui ,
DD Isokaze , DD Akigumo
BB Kirishima engages DD Jarvis at 20,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Patterson at 20,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Bagley at 20,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Henley at 20,000 yards
DD Patterson engages DD Urakaze at 20,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Henley at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CV Akagi , CV Zuikaku , CV Shokaku ,
CV Soryu , CV Hiryu screened from combat
- escorted by DD Isokaze , DD Kagero , DD Akigumo
DD Jarvis engages CV Kaga at 18,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Jarvis at 18,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Henley at 18,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages CV Kaga at 18,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Bagley at 18,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Kasumi at 18,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Jarvis at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Jarvis at 16,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Bagley at 16,000 yards
CA Tone engages DD Jarvis at 16,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Tanikaze at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Hamakaze at 14,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages CV Hiryu at 14,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages CV Kaga at 14,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Jarvis at 14,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Mugford at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
DD Henley engages CV Zuikaku at 11,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Hamakaze at 11,000 yards
DD Mugford engages CV Soryu at 11,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Mugford at 11,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Jarvis at 11,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Jarvis at 11,000 yards
CA Tone engages DD Jarvis at 11,000 yards
DD Jarvis engages DD Arare at 11,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Bagley at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CV Akagi , CV Zuikaku , CV Shokaku ,
CV Soryu , CV Hiryu screened from combat
- escorted by DD Kasumi , DD Arare , DD Akigumo
DD Jarvis engages DD Urakaze at 9,000 yards
BB Kirishima engages DD Patterson at 9,000 yards
DD Jarvis sunk by BB Hiei at 9,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages DD Urakaze at 9,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Bagley at 9,000 yards
DD Patterson engages DD Tanikaze at 9,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Ralph Talbot at 9,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages DD Henley at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CV Akagi screened from combat
DD Patterson engages CV Zuikaku at 14,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages DD Arare at 14,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Mugford at 14,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Bagley at 14,000 yards
DD Mugford engages DD Hamakaze at 14,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Ralph Talbot at 14,000 yards
DD Shiranui engages DD Mugford at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
CV Akagi , CV Zuikaku , CV Shokaku ,
CV Soryu , CV Hiryu , CV Kaga screened from combat
- escorted by DD Arare , DD Tanikaze , DD Hamakaze ,
DD Akigumo
DD Kagero engages DD Patterson at 18,000 yards
DD Kasumi engages DD Henley at 18,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages DD Mugford at 18,000 yards
CA Tone engages DD Patterson at 18,000 yards
DD Bagley engages DD Urakaze at 18,000 yards
DD Urakaze engages DD Henley at 18,000 yards
DD Shiranui engages DD Bagley at 18,000 yards
DD Bagley engages DD Isokaze at 18,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Mugford at 18,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
CV Akagi screened from combat
- escorted by DD Tanikaze
DD Patterson engages CV Kaga at 22,000 yards
DD Kasumi engages DD Ralph Talbot at 22,000 yards
DD Isokaze engages DD Bagley at 22,000 yards
Range increases to 27,000 yards
DD Patterson engages CV Kaga at 27,000 yards
DD Henley engages CV Kaga at 27,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Patterson at 27,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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To top the day off either because of weather or because they spent the night and morning dodging cruiser shells, KB then failed to launch any aircraft and witpqs's surface units got away scot free.

So I think I'ze gots ya'll beat...

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 3:56:38 PM

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Don't disagree it was bad, but not worst. Not even close to some of the PH strikes I have had. I had one where only one squadron of Kates launched torps, and only one torp hit. Then, the Kates all dropped 250kg bombs, not the 800kg. So, I think the result was one BB needing repair for like 45 days. That was it.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 4:18:04 PM

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Yeah, it was pretty weak. But look in the bright side. You sunk a modern CL. I find one of those to be worth about four old BBs anyways..

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 4:29:54 PM

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I still think the PH result are overrated in AE or WITP for that matter....The old battlewagons are a pain in my ass to work with at least without sufficient LBA or Carriers, which the Allies don't just go poking around every island early in the game with the Japs running wild...IMO...

I know it has been said before AND debated for historical accuracy...yadayada...who cares... but I think a Manila strike against all of those subs is far more constructive than a PH strike. If that happened to me I feel like I would be dealt a blow without all of those subs early on. Dud rate high? Yes, but that is not the point...

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 4:56:00 PM

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You are right. The Allied player is not going to win or lose the game by virtue of the loss of his old BBs at Pearl. They are nice to have but not critical.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 5:10:49 PM

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Well, first thing I see, is that at least one KATE unit was flying at 9k, so they were level, not glide-bombing (if you do not use beta-patch). And indeed, it is possible, that at least one CV was overloaded, and did not launched.

I actually have seen PH strike, when NO SHIP was sunk. With normal pre-defined settings of KB.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 6:31:28 PM

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I recently was questioning the poor Japanese results from turn one everywhere and not just at Pearl. I ran several turns using the different Betas and with DBB and stock. I reloaded the Beta C and tried again with same results. Finally I figured out I had checked and turned off the Dec 7th surprise attack. Boy did that make a difference.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 7:05:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

I recently was questioning the poor Japanese results from turn one everywhere and not just at Pearl. I ran several turns using the different Betas and with DBB and stock. I reloaded the Beta C and tried again with same results. Finally I figured out I had checked and turned off the Dec 7th surprise attack. Boy did that make a difference.

Buck

Huge difference that.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 10:18:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Sun Tempest, did you transfer both squads of Kagas complement to another
flattop each?
If yes I think you overstacked your carriers, preventing them to launch.
The maximum # of planes per carrier is 110% capacity.

This asumption is enhanced by the low number of Zero escorts which indicates that
some squads are missing on the strike.

I rechecked the turn and I observed that in addition to Kaga's Val sub-groups, the only groups that did not participated at the strike were Zuikaku 1 (Zeros) and Zuikaku 3 (Kates) No CV was overstacked, for example Akagi received 2 Val subroups from Kaga for a aggregate total of 80 planes.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/29/2011 10:48:47 PM

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pffft - youre all moaning old women, ONCE and only ONCE and no i dont have a replay my planes didnt take off at all, i came down a bit further south for the attack and got stuck in some weather, and as part of the grand master plan nothing else US was hit - i didnt even start the war - the Americans did - treacherous they are!!!

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 4/30/2011 11:52:57 AM

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I once played a team game where my team mate was controling KB and on turn 1 KB only sank a PT boat at PH.

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 5/1/2011 8:21:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Atilla60

@Sun Tempest

FWIW, I once did it even worse, and that was in a PBEM. Historical first turn BTW.

I barely scratched the Batlewagons, and the only ship sunk, was a minelayer.

Kind of made my initial speculations, whether or not to commence a second strike, fade away.

Funny I thought it was a good turn

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RE: Worst PH strike ever - 5/1/2011 2:23:23 PM

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Naaah, the first turn in our current game was much more fun

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