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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

I wonder if the movement of resources, oil & fuel should be limited like it is for supply for some bases.
Because if the change made to the resource movement a short while ago Pakhoi(my only port left) drew 36920 in a single turn what is almost as much as whole China produces in one turn, pretty overkill I would say.
And even before that I can see some weird fuel movements, Pakhoi has just a level 3 port so 3000 points of fuel are requested, I don't think WITP tries to double that like it does for supplies but despite that I had days where fuel ran over 10k points and that at a base with no heavy industry.

I also wonder if it wouldn't be better to let the player also set values for resources, oil & fuel like he can do it already for supply, so if he wants something there he simply raises the requested value and waits for the base to draw it.

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ORIGINAL: asdicus

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

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ORIGINAL: asdicus

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

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ORIGINAL: asdicus

I have a query rather than a bug regarding the ease of moving large amounts of supply between distant bases via very poor terrain.

In the opening release of ae it was near impossible to move supply by land from india to burma and from burma to china. This seemed very realistic as in reality the terrain between burma/india is thick jungle with just a few muddy tracks. Supplies and goods were shipped by sea to rangoon.

The more recent patches have allowed supplies to flow automatically from india to burma and then from burma to china - in very large amounts eg tens of thousands of supply points. This means I never have to ship supply by sea into burma very unrealistic and in china I can supply all my troops and bases quite easily. You can see this in my current pbm game. Chunking has recently gained around 50k supplies drawn from rangoon. save pbm attached.

Is the supply draw system working as planned and if so is it allowing supply to flow too easily over impassible terrain ? Also are too many supply points being allowed to move in this way ?
michaelm thank-you for looking at this. I have gone back over my save games for the last month and I think I have a better example of the growth of supply stocks in china.
The first save is for the 16 May 1942. The second is for the 17 May 1942
Supply stocks changes - Bombay 201k to 175k, Calcutta 134k to 164k, Rangoon 76k to 72k, Chungking 46k to 70k, Changsha 36k to 37k. 16 may save attached
My concern is the increase at Chungking from 46k to 70k. This supply is not coming from within china so it must be coming from burma or india. 24k increase in supply at Chungking in 1 day. Over time this soon adds up.

Here is the resource/supply movement for 16 May
COMBAT EVENTS FOR 03/16/42

ADJUST TASK FORCE MISSIONS
1 Chungking receives 544 supply from Chengtu (98), store = 46645 req = 5637
1 Ichang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2072 req = 660
1 Sinyang receives 1226 supply from Chungking (95), store = 26390 req = 8785
1 Kanhsien receives 149 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2310 req = 739
1 Kukong receives 160 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1548 req = 485
1 Mengtze receives 15 supply from Chungking (97), store = 617 req = 206
1 Nanning receives 341 supply from Chungking (97), store = 3269 req = 1060
1 Nanyang receives 163 supply from Chungking (95), store = 3055 req = 988
1 Siangtan receives 96 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2264 req = 723
1 Tienshui receives 381 supply from Chungking (96), store = 1179 req = 365
1 Pingsiang receives 170 supply from Chungking (96), store = 2006 req = 638
1 Chungking receives 603 supply from Kunming (97), store = 44240 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 255 supply from Lanchow (95), store = 44495 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 42 supply from Liuchow (97), store = 44537 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanning (97), store = 44623 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 86 supply from Nanyang (95), store = 44709 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 14 supply from Neikiang (99), store = 44723 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 23750 supply from Pakhoi (95), store = 68473 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Paoshan (95), store = 68511 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 13 supply from Shaoyang (96), store = 68524 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 100 supply from Sian (96), store = 68624 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 91 supply from Siangtan (96), store = 68715 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 80 supply from Tienshui (96), store = 68795 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 956 supply from Tsuyung (97), store = 69751 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 38 supply from Tuyun (98), store = 69789 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 32 supply from Wuchow (95), store = 69821 req = 5637
1 Chungking receives 88 supply from Pingsiang (96), store = 69909 req = 5637
2 Chungking receives 1620 fuel from Lanchow (50), store = 4220 req = 1300
2 Chungking receives 65040 resource from Pakhoi (59), store = 178900 req = 17890
2 Chungking receives 8780 fuel from Pakhoi (59), store = 13000 req = 1300
3 Pakhoi receives 53670 resource from Chungking (59), store = 125230 req = 17890
3 Pakhoi receives 9100 fuel from Chungking (59), store = 3900 req = 1300

Pakhoi seems to be main supplier of Chungking.

michaelm thanks again for looking at this. In the example above Pakhoi may be sending supply to Chungking but where is Pakhoi getting the supply from ? I still think that china is drawing large amounts of supply from somewhere outside of china - india and/or burma. However if you think that things are ok or working as designed then that is fine for me. I just play and enjoy the game as it is. If you do want me to post any more save games let me know.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

[1108m3]
Tweaked Show the supply path as black dots in a PBEM rather than actual suppply numbers

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ORIGINAL: viberpol

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

[1108m3]
Tweaked Show the supply path as black dots in a PBEM rather than actual suppply numbers

I am little confused. Why did you decide to change the numbers?
I didn't have enough time to get used to '5' hotkey in the late beta before upgrading, but...
am I right, that the numbers were telling us how many supply points can one expect in such and such a position?
Black dots say nothing apart from the fact that there actually is a supply path (that no LCU blocks it), right?

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ORIGINAL: asdicus

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

OK, this is no fault of the excellent enhancements Michaelm is making, but since I know he checks this thread, I have some suggestions..

Colombo is a auto convoy supply port, but has no inherent oil/fuel supply of its; own and depends on the player remembering to get fuel there..I forgot and found 14 supply convoys sitting there, backed upp, all waiting for fuel, when they had taken on all the dry goods they might carry..I had ports starving waiting for the longshoremen to end their apparent strike!..

Suggestion..Lot of oil and fuel up north of there..If we could start auto convoys from Aden for tankers only, it would be nice, and more realistic than giving Colombo a source of those items automatically?

Suggestion#2.....If an auto convoy ship is at a port it cannot get fuel at, allow the Cpt of the ship to be bright enough to take off with the foodstuffs he already has on board........Thank you.......


It takes courage for me to admit my own weaknesses..

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

OK, this is no fault of the excellent enhancements Michaelm is making, but since I know he checks this thread, I have some suggestions..

Colombo is a auto convoy supply port, but has no inherent oil/fuel supply of its; own and depends on the player remembering to get fuel there..I forgot and found 14 supply convoys sitting there, backed upp, all waiting for fuel, when they had taken on all the dry goods they might carry..I had ports starving waiting for the longshoremen to end their apparent strike!..

Suggestion..Lot of oil and fuel up north of there..If we could start auto convoys from Aden for tankers only, it would be nice, and more realistic than giving Colombo a source of those items automatically?

Suggestion#2.....If an auto convoy ship is at a port it cannot get fuel at, allow the Cpt of the ship to be bright enough to take off with the foodstuffs he already has on board........Thank you.......


It takes courage for me to admit my own weaknesses..

I have no idea if the code allows, but I'd guess/bet that setting up any off-map base as an auto-convoy originaiton point would make the code scream in protest. Just sayin'.

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ORIGINAL: DivePac88

I are currently running Public Beta - Build 1108m3 in a PBEM game. I have a problem with not being able to pull pilots into a Mavis unit, can someone help please.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

OK, this is no fault of the excellent enhancements Michaelm is making, but since I know he checks this thread, I have some suggestions..

Colombo is a auto convoy supply port, but has no inherent oil/fuel supply of its; own and depends on the player remembering to get fuel there..I forgot and found 14 supply convoys sitting there, backed upp, all waiting for fuel, when they had taken on all the dry goods they might carry..I had ports starving waiting for the longshoremen to end their apparent strike!..

Suggestion..Lot of oil and fuel up north of there..If we could start auto convoys from Aden for tankers only, it would be nice, and more realistic than giving Colombo a source of those items automatically?

Suggestion#2.....If an auto convoy ship is at a port it cannot get fuel at, allow the Cpt of the ship to be bright enough to take off with the foodstuffs he already has on board........Thank you.......


It takes courage for me to admit my own weaknesses..

I have no idea if the code allows, but I'd guess/bet that setting up any off-map base as an auto-convoy originaiton point would make the code scream in protest. Just sayin'.

I have seen several saves from players where they have set up CS convoys from Aden and Cape Town.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Seems weird to have 18 planes in group with 18 in detachments. These are editor detachments rather than fragments from memory.

What does the "Unit OOB" show?

[Group 5015 does not exist in the main standard scenarios, so is this a user designed one?

When you see the Southern Cross, For the first time
You understand now, Why you came this way

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ORIGINAL: DivePac88

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Seems weird to have 18 planes in group with 18 in detachments. These are editor detachments rather than fragments from memory.

What does the "Unit OOB" show?

[Group 5015 does not exist in the main standard scenarios, so is this a user designed one?

Hi michaelm

We are playing the standard Scenario 002, and here is the OOB.

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Must have missed checking that one.

Ah there is the problem.
Notice that there are 2 detachments in the Unit OOB screen:
21st Ku T-1 Det and 22nd Ku T-1 Det.

I am guessing that the 22nd should not be there but be attached to the 22nd Ku T-1 group.

Yep. The editor shows that. Someone has keyed in the wrong parent group when setting up the scenario up. Easy enough to do.

When you see the Southern Cross, For the first time
You understand now, Why you came this way

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6.4.2.1 NOTE ON TORPEDO DUDS
In January 1943, all torpedoes with a dud rate of greater than 49 have their dud rates reduced
by 20. In September 1943, all torpedoes with an adjusted dud rate greater than 20 have their
dud rates lowered to 10. Allied torpedoes were notoriously inefficient in the early stages of the
Pacific War, and this rule reflects their slow but steady improvement over the years.

Note: if the Realism option “Reliable USN Torpedoes” (see
section 2.4.7) is selected, this rule does not apply – no
torpedoes will have dud rates higher than 10%.

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Eastern USA base has stored over 281k in supply as of 16th Dec 42. I started this game using k9 and just got my opponent to go up to m3. Anyone else having problems with supply moving out of USA base with new game (scenario 2)?? We had played into June 42 while Beta's were coming out to ensure some stability before restarting. Prior, supply would move every second or third day out of USA base. I will send MichaelM a PM after next turn if it continues to stockpile supply (yes, I recycled the stockpile switches to make sure they were not stuck).

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Both.

Turn sent via PM that used k9. Will send next turn with m3 later.