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Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/8/2011 3:35:24 AM   
Joe1947

 

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Status: offline 		My replenishment taks forces don't auto-replenish other task forces in the same hex after multiple turns. I've tried this with the replenishment unit both in patrol and retirement allowed modes. The oilers have oil. The refuel switch on the supported task force shows "OK to Refuel".

Are there additional swithes that need to be turned?

Is there a particular speed at which both TF must be set?

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/9/2011 8:33:17 PM   
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My replenishment taks forces don't auto-replenish other task forces in the same hex after multiple turns. I've tried this with the replenishment unit both in patrol and retirement allowed modes. The oilers have oil. The refuel switch on the supported task force shows "OK to Refuel".

Are there additional swithes that need to be turned?

Is there a particular speed at which both TF must be set?

Thanks, Joe




i've noticed that sometimes the "autorefuel" doesn't seem to work as advertised... normally, i will manually order the TF to "refuel now" and that works.

Also, do you have AOs in the replenishment TF or TKs? For some reason, they decided TKs are not eligible to refuel other units (the reasoning behind this was confusing to me.)

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/9/2011 9:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I am working with a Replenishment TF with only AO ships involved, no tankers in the TF.

The reason why tankers can't refuel other ships undereway is a lack of the proper gear to transfer fuel at sea, including the appropriate transfer hoses and pumps.

How do you manually replenish? Do you just Refuel TF at Sea?

Are both your TF on Cruise Speed?

Thanks,

Joe

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/13/2011 10:11:23 PM   
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No, I am working with a Replenishment TF with only AO ships involved, no tankers in the TF.

The reason why tankers can't refuel other ships undereway is a lack of the proper gear to transfer fuel at sea, including the appropriate transfer hoses and pumps.

How do you manually replenish? Do you just Refuel TF at Sea?

Are both your TF on Cruise Speed?

Thanks,

Joe

The business about tankers lacking hoses is bogus... they can't even refuel themselves... they carried pipes/hoses, and could (and did, iirc) refuel other ships by gravity feed, although pumps were far faster, of course.

To refuel at sea, hit the "Replenish TF at Sea" button on the right side of the TF info screen.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/13/2011 11:42:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. I'll try "Replenish TF at Sea".

To use gravity feed, you need to have a receiver at a lower level than you. So tankers should be able to gravity refuel their small escorts but not a larger ship like a CV.

There are glitches in the game. I can't get the aircraft based at Gili Gili, for example, to do much of anything in the Guadalcanal scenario, even after moving engineers and aviation support into the base.

I guess it's understandable that such a large game based on dated software has glitches, but so much of it works so well it's disappointing when something expect (like refueling a TF at sea) doesn't happen "automatically" as advertised.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/14/2011 8:45:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joe1947

No, I am working with a Replenishment TF with only AO ships involved, no tankers in the TF.

The reason why tankers can't refuel other ships undereway is a lack of the proper gear to transfer fuel at sea, including the appropriate transfer hoses and pumps.

How do you manually replenish? Do you just Refuel TF at Sea?

Are both your TF on Cruise Speed?

Thanks,

Joe

The business about tankers lacking hoses is bogus... they can't even refuel themselves... they carried pipes/hoses, and could (and did, iirc) refuel other ships by gravity feed, although pumps were far faster, of course.

To refuel at sea, hit the "Replenish TF at Sea" button on the right side of the TF info screen.


It often doesn't work if the TF contains tankers. I had trouble with this recently.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/15/2011 2:48:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


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ORIGINAL: Joe1947

No, I am working with a Replenishment TF with only AO ships involved, no tankers in the TF.

The reason why tankers can't refuel other ships undereway is a lack of the proper gear to transfer fuel at sea, including the appropriate transfer hoses and pumps.

How do you manually replenish? Do you just Refuel TF at Sea?

Are both your TF on Cruise Speed?

Thanks,

Joe

The business about tankers lacking hoses is bogus... they can't even refuel themselves... they carried pipes/hoses, and could (and did, iirc) refuel other ships by gravity feed, although pumps were far faster, of course.

To refuel at sea, hit the "Replenish TF at Sea" button on the right side of the TF info screen.


It often doesn't work if the TF contains tankers. I had trouble with this recently.

True - but he said he is using TFs with only AOs, so presumably it is a different problem...

One thing that might prevent automatic refueling is having used up OP points for some reason (for instance, refueling a different TF, attacks, etc.) ... although i've found this is usually NOT the problem, it does occur from time to time.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/16/2011 1:03:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am currently reading Samuel Eliot Morison's USN Ops in WWII. He doesn't differentiate beween oilers (AO) and tankers (TK). As a matter a fact, he refers to the fleet oilers that supported the fast carrier task forces as "tankers". I know this doesn't apply to game play, but it is interesting that someone whose job it was to record what was going on accurately (he had 9 battle stars at the end of the war - no armchair historian) would blur the distinction between the two.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/18/2011 6:18:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i suspect the only real difference is that AOs were commissioned ships, and TKs were not... therefore the crews of AOs would have been in the USN (or RN, etc.) AOs MIGHT have had some specialized equipment, but TKs had pumps - at least enough for moving cargo around (to keep holds equalized to stay in trim, etc.)

Maybe the AOs had MORE pumps, etc., but i think the whole business of differentiating between them is more than a bit bogus. Obviously, the crew training would have been different, and perhaps that is what the game designers had in mind.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/19/2011 12:10:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, in any case, if I can't get them to refuel carriers I will simply have to park them at a nearby friendly beach and bring the carriers to them.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/20/2011 10:30:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you sure you have "Ops" points available? I have found that when refueling TFs from AOs the smaller escorts seem to refuel from the larger Capitol ships BBs & CVs and this tends to drain them out and use points that may be needed for the larger ships to refuel themselves from the AOs.

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RE: Replenishment TF Won't Refuel TF - 6/22/2011 2:10:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		No I'm not sure about the Ops Points. I know you are supposed to share a hex with the AO TF for one turn. does that mean that hex hex should be your "destination" for two turns?

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