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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/11/2011 5:51:03 AM

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I know a guy who on his first turn playing Japanese in WitP had the cunning plan of landing an invasion force in Manila. You should have heard him cuss when those ships passed Bataan....

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/11/2011 8:32:18 PM

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I know a guy who on his first turn playing Japanese in WitP had the cunning plan of landing an invasion force in Manila. You should have heard him cuss when those ships passed Bataan....

They passed? I would have expected new artificail reefs for the incomining japanese scuba tourists to enjoy.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/12/2011 2:49:28 PM

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Well, I need to self-report here. I just blatantly hijacked the "Strategic Points" thread on the main AE page. Sorry, gents.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/12/2011 4:42:19 PM

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There was this crazy SOB that I know that really messed up a CVE TF of his. He ordered it to follow a bombardment TF into restricted waters with 0% moonlight. A well-timed enemy IJN SCTF of three measly destroyers just so happened to be in the hex when the CVE TF appeared (but after the bombardment TF had left). It cut the CVE TF to pieces, sinking or severely damaging three of them.

The escort to the Allied CVE TF was substantial, but it probably didn't help that this crazy SOB guy I know allowed a leader with an inspiration of 35 to captain the heavy cruiser in the escort. I think the captain issued orders not to be disturbed *no matter what*. His bridge crew took his orders at face value, allowing the escorted carriers to be folded, spindled and mutilated.

What a moron this guy was.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/12/2011 6:03:43 PM

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Did you learn your lesson?

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/12/2011 7:30:57 PM

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There was this crazy SOB that I know that really messed up a CVE TF of his. He ordered it to follow a bombardment TF into restricted waters with 0% moonlight. A well-timed enemy IJN SCTF of three measly destroyers just so happened to be in the hex when the CVE TF appeared (but after the bombardment TF had left). It cut the CVE TF to pieces, sinking or severely damaging three of them.

The escort to the Allied CVE TF was substantial, but it probably didn't help that this crazy SOB guy I know allowed a leader with an inspiration of 35 to captain the heavy cruiser in the escort. I think the captain issued orders not to be disturbed *no matter what*. His bridge crew took his orders at face value, allowing the escorted carriers to be folded, spindled and mutilated.

What a moron this guy was.

Ooooooh, this is a fresh one. I can still smell the paint drying.....

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/12/2011 8:17:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

There was this crazy SOB that I know that really messed up a CVE TF of his. He ordered it to follow a bombardment TF into restricted waters with 0% moonlight. A well-timed enemy IJN SCTF of three measly destroyers just so happened to be in the hex when the CVE TF appeared (but after the bombardment TF had left). It cut the CVE TF to pieces, sinking or severely damaging three of them.

The escort to the Allied CVE TF was substantial, but it probably didn't help that this crazy SOB guy I know allowed a leader with an inspiration of 35 to captain the heavy cruiser in the escort. I think the captain issued orders not to be disturbed *no matter what*. His bridge crew took his orders at face value, allowing the escorted carriers to be folded, spindled and mutilated.

What a moron this guy was.

Ooooooh, this is a fresh one. I can still smell the paint drying.....

No, that's me 'huffing' to get over this one. Erm...that's that guy I know I meant.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 12:26:38 AM

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I once had 3 RN CVs at sea working up after I had upgaded their fighters to Martlets. I knew where the KB was, over 1000 miles away. It was a 1 day turn game. I was not concerned...

My RN CV TF reacted, charging at flank speed over 500 miles (with all its fighters set to training) when the KB was sighted by patrol aircraft from a base the enemy was snooping. The TF just managed to get within range of enemy patrol aircraft which triggered the KB to react to just within maximum range for trop carrying kates...

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 4:10:28 AM

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The Forum Community has yet to appoint a court and prosecutor, so in the meantime we must rely on Forum members to report abuses and violations whenever and wherever encountered.� To this point, most such reports have been self-made, but the time has come to vigilantly police the sanctity of the forum.

With this in mind, I would like to report a transgression by GreyJoy, who in his AAR today posted this:� "FWIW i remain fixed on the typical beauty from the 70s...thin, blonde and naturally hairy"

I've never heard a man exlaim a preference for "naturally hairy" women, so I think GreyJoy is in breach of universally recognized taste in the fairer sex.

Could it be that he has a crush on a lady in her 70s who still has her own hair?

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 5:25:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The Forum Community has yet to appoint a court and prosecutor, so in the meantime we must rely on Forum members to report abuses and violations whenever and wherever encountered.� To this point, most such reports have been self-made, but the time has come to vigilantly police the sanctity of the forum.

With this in mind, I would like to report a transgression by GreyJoy, who in his AAR today posted this:� "FWIW i remain fixed on the typical beauty from the 70s...thin, blonde and naturally hairy"

I've never heard a man exlaim a preference for "naturally hairy" women, so I think GreyJoy is in breach of universally recognized taste in the fairer sex.

Could it be that he has a crush on a lady in her 70s who still has her own hair?

You younger men must understand where we "older" men of the 70s are coming from. It is what we were raised on and what the good lord intended for us to see...Now we just get intimidated and scared when faced with the baldheadness of it all... Of course, I also get scared going up a ladder these days

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 6:01:28 AM

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The last two posts are wrong on so many levels ;)

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 1:51:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace
I once had 3 RN CVs at sea working up after I had upgaded their fighters to Martlets. I knew where the KB was, over 1000 miles away. It was a 1 day turn game. I was not concerned...

My RN CV TF reacted, charging at flank speed over 500 miles (with all its fighters set to training) when the KB was sighted by patrol aircraft from a base the enemy was snooping. The TF just managed to get within range of enemy patrol aircraft which triggered the KB to react to just within maximum range for trop carrying kates...

That's so farfetched that you (probably) can't be faulted for that, but it is one of the worst instances of misfortune I've heard thus far. Why, it's even uglier than the thought of GreyJoy's "naturally hairy women."

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 2:23:04 PM

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You keep on looking for troubles when speaking of GJ's love for "natural bushes", and crsutton is damn right! But i guess everybody who discovered the "golden place" in the 80s and early 90s had the same feeling...as Cat Stevens used to sing: "The first cut is the deepest"

No double senses jokes plz

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 2:39:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace
I once had 3 RN CVs at sea working up after I had upgaded their fighters to Martlets. I knew where the KB was, over 1000 miles away. It was a 1 day turn game. I was not concerned...

My RN CV TF reacted, charging at flank speed over 500 miles (with all its fighters set to training) when the KB was sighted by patrol aircraft from a base the enemy was snooping. The TF just managed to get within range of enemy patrol aircraft which triggered the KB to react to just within maximum range for trop carrying kates...

That's so farfetched that you (probably) can't be faulted for that, but it is one of the worst instances of misfortune I've heard thus far. Why, it's even uglier than the thought of GreyJoy's "naturally hairy women."

My opponent was less sympathetic. He simply commented that I was foolish. True, but harsh.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 2:48:25 PM

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GJ: "You keep on looking for troubles when speaking of GJ's love for 'natural bushes'..."

I am rendered speechless....

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 2:56:48 PM

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I know someone who put 12 brand new shiny late 1930s model USN DD's into a TF and was going to sail them to Sydney from PH to aid in convoy protection. His plan is pretty good as he knows that they will have enough fuel if he puts them on cruise speed. Well this idiot puts them on full speed instead. They burn up all their fuel about 25 hexes NE of Suva and begin to collect system damage. He routes them to Suva and loads up a AO and two more DD at PH to meet the TF and refuel it. 9 hexes out of PH (two turns) the tanker takes 3 torpedoes and promptly sinks. He returns the DD's to PH and loads up another tanker and adds six more DD's to protect this one ship. He is hell bent of saving his TF no matter the cost. He then sends this to meet the TF in mid ocean.
The game goes several more turns. Later he checks out the situation and to his horror sees that his oiler TF was set to retirement allowed. It meet the out of fuel TF but did not refuel them and then sailed away. So he spends two more turns getting the two to finally meet and refueled. Only trouble is he has put so many DD's into the oiler TF that they have sucked away almost half of the precious fuel. The 12 DD's in the damaged TF cannot fully refuel and won't be able to make it back to PH. So he races the oiler TF back to PH only to have this TF run out of fuel too. It limps back the final two hexes and takes slight damage to all ships. He then loads up two oilers this time with fuel and 5 DD's
The damaged DD TF meanwhile is about 12 hexes out of PH but only has one more turn of fuel left. He stops it dead in the water and puts it on remain on station. Brilliant he thinks. He then moves the oiler TF out to meet the damaged TF. Unfortunatly 12 damaged DDs this close to PH attract the attention of IJN submarines. Two I-Boats attack and because of the damaged and low speed managed to sink three of the DDs
Finally the two TFs link up and refuel and as one big TF crawl back to PH.
So he is down three good DDs, has 17 damaged ones and 1 damaged oiler and 1 sunk oiler. The entire operation takes almost 5 weeks.
This brilliant Admiral received a swift promotion to a weather station in Nova Scotia.

Outstanding! I mean terrible!

+1 Instant classic. The disastrous cascade of events like small stones that start an avalanche. The penalty levied on this by the Kangaroo Court will set an important precedence as this military blunder encapsulates so many important concepts critical to the role of the Court.

Technical blunder 1: miss-clicking to set the wrong order (speed)
Technical blunder 2: failing to properly set �do not retire�
Tactical blunder 1: not routing loaded tanker convoys with care (they are exceptionally vulnerable when loaded)
Operational blunder: violating the need for redundancy of key assets for a mission (only one tanker)
Logistics blunder: not calculating refuel requirements for both escorts and target TF
Strategic blunder: left to the imagination of the court. What strategic errors were made while the Commander Pacific Fleet was focused on this operation?

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 3:19:05 PM

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GJ:� "You keep on looking for troubles when speaking of GJ's love for 'natural bushes'..."

I am rendered speechless....�

I could have bet that you had stressed the Cat Stevens quoting...

but maybe the double sense implied is only in my sick mind

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 3:36:04 PM

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Isn't it Rod Stewart who sings that line?

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 3:53:48 PM

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Many others sang that song, but i think the original version is from Cat Stevens

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/13/2011 6:06:52 PM

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Thanks, I had no idea.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/14/2011 9:01:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

GJ:� "You keep on looking for troubles when speaking of GJ's love for 'natural bushes'..."

I am rendered speechless....�

I could have bet that you had stressed the Cat Stevens quoting... but maybe the double sense implied is only in my sick mind

I'm sure you mean "double entendre"

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/14/2011 10:39:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

GJ:� "You keep on looking for troubles when speaking of GJ's love for 'natural bushes'..."

I am rendered speechless....�

I could have bet that you had stressed the Cat Stevens quoting... but maybe the double sense implied is only in my sick mind

I'm sure you mean "double entendre"

Yup :-) ...with two meanings...

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/14/2011 4:45:20 PM

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I think the kangaroo court can't help but find the AI guilty as charged. 3 weeks after PH, the AI decides to go raiding through the middle of the empire with a single carrier...which I manage to hunt down and sink with Ni Butai...

You would think it wouldn't do the same thing twice...think again...only this time I had Kido Butai available to chase it down. I managed to catch it at max Kate range and the second carrier group was sunk without even getting to launch a counter strike...the whole group was sunk.

So now the AI is down to 1 USN carrier until Wasp arrives and its only February 2, 1942.

Poor stupid AI.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/14/2011 9:34:32 PM

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Shark7 should be subject to a fine for trying to bring down judgment on the AI.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/15/2011 6:11:33 AM

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AI is a misnomer anyway...it would more correctly be referred to as the 'AS' (artificial Stupidity).

The AI for as good as it is, still has the limitations of being an AI...it will never 'think', and thus it will never be as good as a human opponent.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/15/2011 7:05:39 AM

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In the Kangaroo Court for the State of Denial

The Forumates of Said State

vs.

Oldman

Indictment

Count One: That on the 14th day of July, 2014, Oldman did, with lunacy aforethought, in a Forum post titled "Fairy Fulmar," which is a class A misdemeanor and high crime in and of itself, seriously propose to utilize the Fulmar as an offensive weapon in a War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition match. Said proposal against the decorum and high standards of serious players and contrary to the laws established by the Supreme AE being, to wit: Commandment One: Thou shalt not attempt to utilize the Fulmar or Wapiti in any offensive role in an Admiral Edition's match lest thou causest thy opponent to bang his head on the keyboard while simultaneously becoming dislodged from his seat of choice while laughing."

Presented to the Forum this 15th day of July, 2011.

Canoerebel
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District Attorney for the State of Denial
Denial Bar Number 614110
Justice Building
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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/15/2011 7:56:33 AM

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Whoops,

I'm in trouble, I had a number of Wapiti & Audax squadrons in Ledo smashing the IJA in Warazup, very experienced pilots at the end of it. I'm not sure the IJA noticed.

I'd be in real trouble if I escorted them with Wirraways!

What do you get if you ring 1-800-Myrna loy??

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AI Learning vs. Thinking - 7/15/2011 2:55:12 PM

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AI is a misnomer anyway...it would more correctly be referred to as the 'AS' (artificial Stupidity).

The AI for as good as it is, still has the limitations of being an AI...it will never 'think', and thus it will never be as good as a human opponent.

Not to hijack this thread .. but one key concept of true artificial intelligence is Learning vs. your thoughts on "thinking". However, a very challenging opponet can be programmed using straight logic algorithums of "condition; test; action" without any learning whatsoever. GNU chess is such an animal. Such algorithums can test thousands of decisions and probable outcomes in seconds .. something you as a human are limited

, and further many developers of games are limited by resources required to model all the decisions in thier game.

There is hope, as computing technology advances learning algorithums that once required a Cray will soon be within reach of the Game Developer. Then it is a matter of the game learning the best decisions given a particular set of conditions.

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RE: AI Learning vs. Thinking - 7/15/2011 4:03:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: Shark7

AI is a misnomer anyway...it would more correctly be referred to as the 'AS' (artificial Stupidity).

The AI for as good as it is, still has the limitations of being an AI...it will never 'think', and thus it will never be as good as a human opponent.

Not to hijack this thread .. but one key concept of true artificial intelligence is Learning vs. your thoughts on "thinking". However, a very challenging opponet can be programmed using straight logic algorithums of "condition; test; action" without any learning whatsoever. GNU chess is such an animal. Such algorithums can test thousands of decisions and probable outcomes in seconds .. something you as a human are limited , and further many developers of games are limited by resources required to model all the decisions in thier game.

There is hope, as computing technology advances learning algorithums that once required a Cray will soon be within reach of the Game Developer. Then it is a matter of the game learning the best decisions given a particular set of conditions.

While this will be a great day for wargamers...an AI that sees that something didn't work and doesn't keep trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result...IE insanity...the thought of Skynet does come to mind.

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RE: AE Kangaroo Court - 7/19/2011 11:33:52 PM

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Many others sang that song, but i think the original version is from Cat Stevens

Just to be an anorak, it was written by Cat Stevens but it was first released by and was a hit for P P Arnold. She released her version in early 1967. I dont think Stevens ever released it as a single, just as an albumn track, recorded after Pat Arnold had her success. (Stevens originally wanted to be a song writer, not a singer).

My favourite is the 1977 Rod Stewart release.

This post probably makes me guilty of something even worse than leaving all CV air units on training during what was meant to be a sort of rerun of Philippine Sea. Difficult to have a turkey shoot if your darn birds don't fly!

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