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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/11/2011 7:41:03 PM

PzB74

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True, but divide the damaged squads among the attacking units and it becomes much more tolerable for Allies!
Still a bit concerned about the huge variances in AV and modified AV - Allied AV adjusted from 4000+ to ~125?
- Shouldn't be possible and I expressed my general concern to Andy as I find it very hard to understand ground combat.

Action packed turn!

Our 6 destroyers went back to Magwe and chaos erupted.
Numerous enemy minesweepers (as predicted) were there but so were 8 Allied destroyers.
One Allied destroyer was crippled by a mine and another sunk by a torpedo. In return we lost 2 destroyers and all but 1 were
rather shot up, so not a great return.

Our air strikes all concentrated on the agile destroyers, failing to score.
Our escorts did not manage to protect all our bombers and in total 20 were lost; time to cull their range as they can't hit fast
warships anyway.

PS! Notice that the Nells dropped both bombs and torpedoes today, lots of ordnance at Port Blair; this is why I immediately assumed
the Frances bombers also used wrong ordnance earlier on. Don't quite understand this.

A sub was also hammered by enemy destroyers, so not a great day over Ramree Island.

In the air heavy enemy sweeps and bomber formations hit Toungoo and Magwe; I had moved 80 Tojo's to Tongoo to provide some forward cover
for our troops in the basin. The average Tojo units took a beating but managed to hurt some escorts and bombers. But again, forward fighter
cover only risk meeting massed Allied force and it's not worth it. We need to concentrate our force now and launch counterstrikes now and then.

Enemy air power hit our 5th Guards division at Magwe hard; I expected this to happen and this is why the division is alone - our rearguard as
we're now leaving the clear hexed basin altogether. So the Army Air Force was ordered to attack Allied ground units at Magwe in force, quite dangerous
because of the idiot rule that doesn't allow us to sweep our own base hexes. Still, our bombers got through and I think this was decisive.
- A strong enemy attack by 3 Allied divisions was checked.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 25, 44

Naval Combat

TF 103 encounters mine field at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Ships
AM Kumaon
AM Carnatic

10 mines cleared
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TF 286 encounters mine field at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Ships
DD Izard, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Naganami
DD Tamanami
DD Suzunami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hamanami

Allied Ships
DD Bullard
DD Charrette
DD John Rodgers, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Parrott

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
Uesugi, Yoshitake crosses the 'T'

Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Naganami
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2
DD Suzunami, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hamanami, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Kidd, Shell hits 1
DD Quickmatch
DD Petard, Shell hits 2

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
Norland, E.R. crosses the 'T'
DD Hamanami engages DD Kidd at 2,000 yards

Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Naganami
DD Tamanami
DD Hamanami, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Black, Shell hits 1
DD Guest

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 3% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
DD Guest engages DD Makinami at 2,000 yards

Task forces break off...
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TF 103 encounters mine field at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Ships
AM Kumaon
AM Carnatic
DE Godavari

19 mines cleared
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Makigumo, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Makinami, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Naganami, Shell hits 1
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hamanami, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Bullard
DD Charrette, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Parrott, Shell hits 3, on fire

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 4,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
DD Hamanami engages DD Bullard at 4,000 yards
DD Bullard engages DD Tamanami at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages DD Hamanami at 2,000 yards

Task forces break off...
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TF 103 encounters mine field at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Ships
AM Kumaon
AM Carnatic

25 mines cleared
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TF 103 encounters mine field at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Ships
AM Kumaon
AM Carnatic

17 mines cleared
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ASW attack near Ramree Island at 54,48

Japanese Ships
SS RO-64, hits 10

Allied Ships
DD Petard

SS RO-64 is sighted by escort
DD Petard attacking submerged sub ....
DD Petard fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Petard fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 7
P-40K Warhawk x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 22

Allied aircraft
P-51A Mustang x 22
F4U-1 Corsair x 29
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 15000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 148 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Kidd
DD Petard

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 13

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Kidd
DD Petard
DD Quickmatch

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 12

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Black
DD Guest

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Toungoo , at 57,50
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 41

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 16
B-24J Liberator x 68
P-38J Lightning x 20
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 56
PV-1 Ventura x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 3 destroyed, 28 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed

Airbase hits 26
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 488
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Morning Air attack on XV Indian Corps, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 22

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on XV Indian Corps, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 20

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 25
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 34

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 45th Recce Regiment, at 57,48 , near Magwe
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Carabiniers Regiment, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 5

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Carabiniers Regiment, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 20
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 10 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (4 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
20 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd (Special Force) Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 19
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 6 damaged

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 3rd (Special Force) Division ...
Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 3rd (Special Force) Division ...
Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 3rd (Special Force) Division ...
Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 3rd (Special Force) Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 5
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 9 damaged

Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Toungoo , at 57,50
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 17

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 28
B-24J Liberator x 48
P-38J Lightning x 20
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 448
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 15
Beaufighter TF.X x 24
Hurricane FR.IIb x 12
Hurricane IV x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 11
Blenheim IV x 12
Beaufort VIII x 4
PV-1 Ventura x 24

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3
Liberator GR.III x 11
Wellington B.X x 27
Wellington GR.XIII x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator B.III bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Toungoo , at 57,50
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 10

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 20
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Morning Air attack on Toungoo , at 57,50
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 9th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 4
P-40K Warhawk x 3
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Quickmatch
DD Petard
DD Kidd

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,48
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 27
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 13

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Guest
DD Black

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 15000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 39
B-25G Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 28
B-25G Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Magwe (57,47)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21992 troops, 370 guns, 343 vehicles, Assault Value = 1308
Defending force 12662 troops, 173 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 431

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5
Allied adjusted assault: 287

Japanese adjusted defense: 470
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
731 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
9th Indian Division
14th Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
17th Indian Division
XV Indian Corps
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
5th Guards Division
42nd Ind.AA Gun Co
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Burma

Our army west of Ramree Island will move south tomorrow while our regiments in the north already
have pulled back into the Lashio line. Our Jungle line should be fully manned within a few days and
engineers are building fortifications.

I expect to be forced to fall back in the north if attacked by strong enemy forces, but this will take time and
resources and will enable us to concentrate our army further south were it doesn't risk being cut of.

If Allied units move into clear hexes in force we will be able to
sweep and bomb at will but when Allied air power is established in 2-3 size 9 bases it will be time to pull our
air forces into Indo Chinia. Bangkok will take over Rangoon's role and fortunately I've already constructed numerous
built up air bases in the region.

Attachment (1)

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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to d0mbo)

Post #: 2671

RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/13/2011 7:44:24 PM

PzB74

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Going on the annual boys trip; to England / London this year!
Bovington tank museum (a revisit to see the new wing)
Royal Air Tattoo at Fairford
Mercedes Benz World to have driving experience in AMG CSL 63

Will be so kewl

Told Andy to join us at Fairford, perhaps he'll show up!
So this is last post for this week; tomorrow night will be little beetle evening as usual (interpret that as you wish!)

Very heavy fighting in Burma!
Both sides air forces concentrate on LCUs in Magwe; we are hit hardest but since the Allies are attacking they're also exposed.
We manage to stave of another attack, Imp 5th division has now moved 36 miles west.

At Mandalay our rear guard, a regiment, was heavily assaulted. It was moving SE into the jungle instead of following the road east.
This delayed it and the enemy's shock attack routed it.

East of Ramree Island we have withdrawn 1 hex south and in the north Bhamo has been evacuated.
In a few days the army in the basin will move into Toung Gyu and complete our withdrawal into the jungle
- It was simply not possible to continue defending it against combined heavy Allied land and air attacks (especially the latter).

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 26, 44

Naval

The last of our mines claim another victim!
A relatively rare sub success outside the US West Coast.

TF 103 encounters mine field at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Ships
AM Kumaon
AM Carnatic
DE Godavari, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

36 mines cleared
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Submarine attack near Eureka at 214,67

Japanese Ships
SS I-22

Allied Ships
xAK Makiki, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Makiki is sighted by SS I-22
SS I-22 launches 6 torpedoes
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 18

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.453 Sqn RAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd (Special Force) Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 17

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 18
Ki-30 Ann x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 18

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
115 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.152 Sqn RAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes

Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 10

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.152 Sqn RAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 28
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 16 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 27 (13 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 15 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking XV Indian Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 124 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 49

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
49 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 12
Beaufighter TF.X x 8
Hurricane IId Trop x 3
Hurricane FR.IIb x 12
Hurricane IV x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 11
Blenheim IV x 12
Blenheim VD x 29
Beaufort VIII x 4
PV-1 Ventura x 15
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 41

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 9
Spitfire VIII x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 13
Liberator GR.III x 3
Spitfire VIII x 10
Wellington B.X x 27
Wellington GR.XIII x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
160 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 3
Beaufighter TF.X x 8
Hurricane IId Trop x 14
Hurricane IV x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IId Trop: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Toungoo , at 57,50
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 81 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 139
P-38J Lightning x 29

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 15 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 35
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 401
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Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 43
B-25G Mitchell x 12
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (6 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 42nd Ind.AA Gun Co ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Ind.AA Gun Co ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Ind.AA Gun Co ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 42nd Ind.AA Gun Co ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 35

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25G Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 54823 troops, 812 guns, 336 vehicles, Assault Value = 2190
Defending force 3275 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 102

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3
Allied adjusted assault: 1681

Japanese adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 840 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Mandalay !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2028 casualties reported
Squads: 96 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 81 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
179 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
66th Chinese/B Corps
23rd Indian Division
1st New Chinese Corps
20th Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese/C Corps
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd AA Bde
134th Field Artillery Battalion
Burma Corps
6th Medium Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
14th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
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Ground combat at Magwe (57,47)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33609 troops, 623 guns, 407 vehicles, Assault Value = 1259
Defending force 11521 troops, 164 guns, 46 vehicles, Assault Value = 355

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 268
Japanese adjusted defense: 76

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 4)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
649 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
17th Indian Division
XV Indian Corps
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
5th Guards Division
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Burma

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/15/2011 1:31:17 PM

Rob Brennan UK

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Have a great time over here in Blighty . Bovington is great , but not been there for years myself, really must get off my arse and re-visit the place. If your coming to London go visit HMS Belfast on the Thames. she's the last surviving British Heavy Cruiser from WW2. Annoyingly we don't keep old ships for museum pieces , the US has it right on that score but then again scrapping the Enterprise was a huge mistake imo. she would have been a great memorial for WW2 sailors and aviators.

Well done on the withdrawal from Burma's open-terrain centre , I confess I was rather worried you'd get slaughtered in the open there. Grats !

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/15/2011 2:01:46 PM

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Nice going Rob.. you ain't that rusty after all

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/16/2011 6:53:21 AM

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I was wondering about Submarines in shallow water. As I understand current engine, shallow water simply reduces maximum depth for submarine, but Japan have lots of submarine types, and some ROs have really small Durability (which suppose to be directly proportional to max possible depth). Not even mentioning SSXs which should have no advantage in deeper ocean.
So, anyone know what is maximum depth in shallow hex?

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Very heavy fighting in Burma!
Both sides air forces concentrate on LCUs in Magwe; we are hit hardest but since the Allies are attacking they're also exposed.
We manage to stave of another attack, Imp 5th division has now moved 36 miles west.

I think you should pay a visit to those LCU in clear, north of Prome. Now is the chance to rout them, before position will be reinforced. You will get pounding, but two lager units of one nationality routed, and Allies must spend 6 months on rebuilding.

quote:

At Mandalay our rear guard, a regiment, was heavily assaulted. It was moving SE into the jungle instead of following the road east.
This delayed it and the enemy's shock attack routed it.

If airfields are still open, it would be useful to put some TONY units on railroad bases, near Mandalay. Last surprise, before you abandon whole position.

quote:

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 11
Blenheim IV x 12
Blenheim VD x 29
Beaufort VIII x 4
PV-1 Ventura x 15
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 41

P-47 on escort, and you do not hunt them? Think of the disadvantages they have in such role!

Also, I have seen P-40E in earlier report. P-40E is the same fighter, USA begins game in Philippiness. Does that mean, that they are actually short on modern airframes?

I have also checked those 40mm guns, on Tojo IIb, and they are only ONE point better, than 20mm, so not especially good.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/18/2011 8:03:32 PM

PzB74

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Back from our annual boys trip!

Bovington was great Rob, they've opened a new wing and there's lot of new stuff there since I visited last time ca 8 years ago.
Had for example a new King Tiger there

Oh yes, I've visited the Belfast already during one of the first NAAFI trips.
Great ship and the story involving the sinking of the Scharnhorst is an epic.

The airshow at Fairford was also good even though it almost became a washout; only a spell of nice weather in the afternoon saved it and we saw
a Lancaster, Spit, Mustang and a Vulcan take to the air togehter with the Red Arrows and other modern ac.

The battle in Burma continues at full pace; we disengaged from Magwe and within a few days the basin will be completely evacuated.
So yes, getting out of the basin more or less in an organized fashion has been part of the plan for a long time.

I can easuly count 180 enemy LCUs in Burma now and 375 figthers swept Magwe before the bombers went in this turn.
800 Jap fighters have been deployed around Rangoon to counter the menace.

No idea Inq, guess a shallow hex is 50~ meters or so?
I can't move Jap units into the clear, they will be squashed by enemy air...
I did place 80 fighters to do CAP central basin hexes....50 were lost. Enemy air sweeps and CAP makes it to expensive to mount forward ops now.
Most enemy sweep missions have been edited out of the report, so when you see an escorted raid there has most likely been lots of sweeps going in first.

With no air unit withdrawals I guess Allies got more squadrons than modern ac to man them with - much like us.
I got 1000 fighters sitting in the Home Islands undergoing advanced training in A6M2s and similar.

Ca 200 Tojos left in the pools, slowly converting them to Franks.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 27, 44

Surface Combat

Allied destroyers attacked Rangoon for the first time; 4 of them engaged 6 of ours.
Has been a severe drop in efficiency lately, again we could hardly hit the enemy ships while on of ours was set on fire and later sank.
Another old destroyer that was lost, but 4 were modern.

I have called upon 12 PT boats to protect Rangoon!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Naganami
DD Okinami
DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 2
DD Oite, Shell hits 9, heavy fires
DD Yunagi, Shell hits 1
DD Kyukaze

Allied Ships
DD Cotten
DD Daly
DD Hale
DD Queensborough, Shell hits 1

Reduced visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
Augustyn, D.P. crosses the 'T'
DD Queensborough engages DD Hatakaze at 1,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Hale at 1,000 yards
DD Queensborough engages DD Oite at 1,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Cotten at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Queensborough engages DD Oite at 2,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Hale at 2,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Hale at 2,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Cotten at 2,000 yards
DD Naganami engages DD Queensborough at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Queensborough engages DD Oite at 3,000 yards
DD Queensborough engages DD Yunagi at 3,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Cotten at 3,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Hale at 3,000 yards
DD Kyukaze engages DD Cotten at 3,000 yards
DD Queensborough engages DD Yunagi at 3,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Daly at 3,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Queensborough at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 5,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Queensborough at 5,000 yards
DD Yunagi engages DD Cotten at 5,000 yards
DD Hale engages DD Oite at 5,000 yards
DD Hatakaze engages DD Cotten at 5,000 yards
DD Cotten engages DD Naganami at 5,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Air Combat

We had 8 fighter units on escort at various altitudes; a single unit escorted our bombers and most stayed
home. It's so hard to coordinate that the best defense is to send in low morale bombers that abort if heavy resistance is encountered.
Enemy ground attack ac are horribly effective, whe 4Es are thrown in as well units are chewed up in no time.

Morning Air attack on 3rd (Special Force) Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 8

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 18
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 21
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 7
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 30

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (3 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick sweeping at 9000 feet *
6 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 9000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.152 Sqn RAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.453 Sqn RAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 4000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Carabiniers Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 9th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 14

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Carabiniers Regiment, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 19

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 9000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 9th Indian Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 14 damaged

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 29

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 16
Beaufighter TF.X x 11
Hurricane IId Trop x 17
Hurricane FR.IIb x 12
Hurricane IV x 16

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 damaged
Hurricane IId Trop: 4 damaged
Hurricane FR.IIb: 1 destroyed by flak
Hurricane IV: 1 damaged
Hurricane IV: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane FR.IIb bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x Beaufighter VIc bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
11 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
17 x Hurricane IId Trop bombing from 100 feet
15 x Hurricane IV bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9
Beaufort VIII x 4
PV-1 Ventura x 24
P-40E Warhawk x 11

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 30
P-40K Warhawk x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 13

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Spitfire Vc Trop bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 67

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
373 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25G Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 9
Wellington B.X x 9
Wellington GR.XIII x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 8
Wellington B.X x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Ground Combat

An massive attack against a tiny remnant left east of Ramree Island.

Ground combat at 55,48 (near Ramree Island)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 48210 troops, 823 guns, 945 vehicles, Assault Value = 4045
Defending force 129 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Allied adjusted assault: 720
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 720 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
26th Indian Division
Guides Cavalry Regiment
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
19th Indian Division
209th Combat Engineer Battalion
7th Indian Division
75th IAC Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
25th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
45th Indian Brigade
3rd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
Gardner's Horse Regiment
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
14th Chindit Brigade
2nd British Division
3rd Commando Brigade
31st Infantry Regiment
16th Chindit Brigade
5th Indian Division
101st RAF Base Force
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy AA Regiment
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion
94th Coast AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps
23rd USN Naval Construction Battalion
Southeast Asia
103rd RN Base Force
14th Army
22nd Light AA Regiment
1st Indian Light AA Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
IV Corps RIASC Base Force
77th Coast AA Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
19th USN Naval Construction Battalion
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
114th RN Base Force
16th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
6th RAF Advanced Base Force
2nd Indian AA Bde
823rd Engineer Aviation Battalion

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /2
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Burma

What do you think, how should we deploy our divisions in Burma now?
Have to bottle up the left flank with 4000 enemy AV - this is their main force.
It will be possible for 3000 enemy AV to move both east and south from basin, but this should be easier to contain.
So I think our reserves should be positioned at or near Toungoo.

-> I don't think Andy can attack south out of the basin as long as we have a strong presence on his right flank.
So by keeping a sizeable force here we should be able to cause some headaches.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/19/2011 4:35:28 PM

PzB74

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Lots of surface combat this turn!
At Rangoon more enemy destroyers attack and in another intense surface action both sides loose one each.
Only a lucky long lance torpedo hit evened things out cause Allied gunnery is much superior now.

Our convoy evacuating a routed division was engaged by the remaining Allied destroyers as it headed out of Rangoon, annoying that our 12 PT
boats didn't intervene. So we lost a transport and a PB but the escorting destroyer mostly saved the day as the troop load was dispersed among 2 convoys and numerous transports.

As a little payback we raided Pago Pago and sank a merchant and 2 minesweepers.
Enemy air recon was non-existent!

"Relatively" quiet in Burma basin; our rearguard units are moving out of Meiktila, when this move is completed a new phase of the Battle for Burma will begin in February and last until
the monsoon sets in mid May. Wonder how Andy manage inside the basin bases now, supply shortages are much more severe there than in the jungle - go figure

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 28, 44

Sub Attacks

British ASW is lethal; another easy picking on the US West Coast though!

Sub attack near San Francisco at 217,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-22

Allied Ships
YMS-113, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

YMS-113 is sighted by SS I-22
SS I-22 launches 6 torpedoes at YMS-113
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Submarine attack near Goa at 33,26

Japanese Ships
SS I-1, hits 22, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Caperton
DMS Palmer
LST-123
xAK Samfield
xAK Samcalia
xAK Samarina
xAK Modjekerto
DD Pathfinder

SS I-1 is sighted by escort
I-1 bottoming out ....
DD Pathfinder attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-1 forced to surface!
DD Pathfinder firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Naganami
DD Okinami
DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Yunagi, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
E Tomozuru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Kidd, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Quickmatch, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Petard, Shell hits 1

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms with 10% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 10% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
DD Okinami collides with DD Hatakaze at 54 , 53

Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pago Pago at 148,161, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CL Tenryu

Allied Ships
xAK Mathew Luckenbach, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 10% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 10% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Allied ships attempt to get underway
xAK Mathew Luckenbach sunk by CL Tenryu at 6,000 yards
xAK Mathew Luckenbach sunk by CL Tenryu at 6,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pago Pago at 148,161, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CL Tenryu

Allied Ships
AMc Korowa, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
AMc Durraween, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 21% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 21% moonlight: 3,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages AMc Durraween at 3,000 yards
AMc Durraween sunk by CL Yura at 3,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages AMc Korowa at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages AMc Korowa at 2,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages AMc Korowa at 2,000 yards
AMc Korowa sunk by CL Tenryu at 2,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,54, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Toshi Maru #3, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Kenyo Maru
xAK Seia Maru
xAK Tatutaki Maru
xAK Nitiran Maru
xAK Mogamigawa Maru
xAK Africa Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
xAK Lima Maru, Shell hits 11
xAK Lyons Maru
xAK Toyama Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Tarayasu Maru
xAK Yasukawa Maru, Shell hits 2
xAK Hakubasan Maru
xAK Kamoi Maru
DD Kyukaze, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Kidd, Shell hits 5
DD Petard

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 19 (10 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards

Task forces break off..
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 110 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3
Liberator GR.III x 3
Wellington GR.XIII x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 67
B-25G Mitchell x 28

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
216 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Liberator B.III bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Wellington GR.XIII bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 30
Beaufort VIII x 4
PV-1 Ventura x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
14 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 9
Wellington B.X x 27
Wellington GR.XIII x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Wellington B.X bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Wellington GR.XIII bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Wellington B.X bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 86 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 5
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Beaufort I bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
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Surface Combat

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/19/2011 4:38:49 PM

PzB74

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Burma Front

Another annoyance; our cff division is at full strength but is now allowed to break out through an empty hex to the SE because Allies own hex side without having troops there.
This is uber silly....

The red lines indicate our various frontline and fallback positions in Burma.
Ideally Andy would like to attack Prome, but to do so he has to defeat our strong force in the jungle hex to the west or move through the open hex and cross a river to get there - not very ideal.
Will be interesting to see which direction he selects.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/20/2011 8:59:12 PM

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I'm sure the thunderstorms didn't help your surface actions for you. Allied radar and all.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/20/2011 10:15:23 PM

PzB74

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Possible, many of our ships did not become involved in combat until well into the battles.
But our ships also got radar by now, in general it seems like Allied destroyers of 44 vintage have become 2 notches more deadly than their 43 cousins.

This turn I ordered 300 fighters to CAP Meiktila; of course not a single enemy bomber attack this turn...some bombers went to the neighbouring hex
and got shot up by the Tojo's I placed there.

Our own bombers went in against an armored bde in the open just north of Prome; of course escorts stayed home so the leaky CAP got some of them.
Enemy troops now enter Meiktila in force.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 29, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 13

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prom
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 21
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 267th Armoured Brigade, at 55,49 , near Prome
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 7 damaged

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment, at 59,48 (Taung Gyi)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 50 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 33

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 11
Wellington GR.XIII x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington GR.XIII: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
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Tojos 9 o'clock!

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/20/2011 11:06:05 PM

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When does radar guided gunnery kick in? That's more important than surface search radar, IMHO, and could be the difference. I recall passages in Tin Can Sailors talking about salvo after salvo peppering the IJN from our DDs and DEs, and Japanese amazement at the unerring accuracy.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/21/2011 2:14:05 PM

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Yeah, by 1944 USN DD's should have radar guided firing control for the 5inchers, I would say. At least that is what I remember from reading, and is not a reflection the game mechanics. I know that the Washington had radar controlled firing system in 1942 (by battle of guadalcanal).

(And actually I think 1944 was a big leap in radar guided fire with AA too - I don't recall exactly when it became common to have the bofors hooked up to radar controlled firing but I'd guess by Oct 44).

Not to pile on the woes of the late game JFB!

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/21/2011 2:31:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lomri

I know that the Washington had radar controlled firing system in 1942 (by battle of guadalcanal).
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indeed - destroyed Kirishima with it!

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/21/2011 7:53:48 PM

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Well, we just have to grind on and hope that we can fight battles more on our terms in the future...

Last turn I forgot to move 2 large Tojo units back to Rangoon; Andy probably thought they would be gone to!
A huge number of Hurries went in to sweep them and met 62 in the air. In the end it was a costly battle, but even more
so for Allies.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 30, 44

ASW Attacks

Again, British ASW is deadly....sub sinks!

ASW attack near Calicut at 28,37
Japanese Ships
SS I-9, hits 32, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Cauvery
DMS Palmer
APA Monrovia
LSI(L) Brisbane Star
LST-123
LST-121
xAK Fort Dearborn
xAK Samcalia
xAK Samur
xAK Kiangsu
DD Pathfinder
DD Quiberon
DD Luce
DD Isherwood

SS I-9 is sighted by escort
DD Pathfinder fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Quiberon fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Luce attacking submerged sub ....
DD Isherwood fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Luce attacking submerged sub ....
DD Luce loses contact with SS I-9
DD Isherwood attacking submerged sub ....
DD Luce attacking submerged sub ....
DD Isherwood attacking submerged sub ....
DD Luce attacking submerged sub ....
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Isherwood attacking submerged sub ....
DD Isherwood is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Isherwood attacking submerged sub ....
DD Isherwood is out of ASW ammo
DD Isherwood is out of ASW ammo
DD Isherwood is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce attacking submerged sub ....
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Luce is out of ASW ammo
DD Isherwood fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Luce fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 62

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 67

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 13 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 15000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 40

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 26

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 111 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 44 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 70
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 60
PV-1 Ventura x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 6 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 18
Runway hits 490
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 136 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 46 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 27
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 15
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 112

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 50th Field AA Battalion, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 16
Hurricane FR.IIb x 10

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane FR.IIb bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x Beaufighter VIc bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 16th AA Regiment, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 9
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufort I bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 16th AA Regiment, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9
Blenheim VD x 16
Beaufort VIII x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 107 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 35
B-25G Mitchell x 28

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
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Afternoon Air attack on 16th AA Regiment, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Air Combat over Burma

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/22/2011 3:25:13 PM

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We're now out of the basin in Burma...!
Got a bit costly because the 5th Guards Div had 2 miles left to move out of Meiktila when Allies attacked, so it got routed after its heroic rearguard actions.

I'm constantly annoyed about ground combat in this game; a division leaving a base with 2 miles to go to another hex should easily be able to disengage.
Getting caught in the revolving door and means that you get the full slap...just like our division trapped in a jungle hex with 6 hex sides were a much smaller enemy LCU easily can block any
attempt to move out.

...or the fact that enemies in a nearby hex cancells the strategic rail order; our 1st Ind. Mixed regiment ended up in the grinder again today because of this.
Its movement got cancelled when everyone was boarded on the train and since it took so long for everyone to get out they got routed for the 2nd time.

Not to forget that we now have 150 Allied units and ca 10k AV in Burma without supply problems (at least that can't be overcome by using 1500 supply planes).
And the jungle diseases and malaria? Doesn't upset the Chinks, Yanks or Brits a bit - they're all uber trained jungle soldiers.

There's just no end to the grief

Well, rant off I guess. The bottom line is that I just don't play WitP for the ground combat experience.

Hopefully the battle in Burma will slow down now as we're well into the jungle, but it's hard to tell with so many Allied LCUs opposing us.
What I'm currently considering is whether to keep our fighters in and around Rangoon! We got 800 dispersed in 4 bases so I guess they will stay until Andy can show that
he is able to steam roll Rangoon without loosing to much in the process.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 31, 44

Sub Attacks

Submarine attack near Eureka at 214,66

Japanese Ships
SS I-22

Allied Ships
xAK Anshun, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Anshun is sighted by SS I-22
SS I-22 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Anshun
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 40
B-25G Mitchell x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
349 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 5th Guards Division, at 58,47 (Meiktila)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort I bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combay

Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 60299 troops, 985 guns, 491 vehicles, Assault Value = 2400
Defending force 10260 troops, 202 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 227

Allied adjusted assault: 1960
Japanese adjusted defense: 74

Allied assault odds: 26 to 1 (fort level 4)
Allied forces CAPTURE Meiktila !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), disruption(-)
preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4481 casualties reported
Squads: 128 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 214 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 96 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 110 (106 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 19 (19 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
20th Indian Division
1st New Chinese Corps
18th British Division
23rd Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
163rd Light AA Regiment
17th Indian Light AA Regiment
Burma Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Heavy AA Regiment
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
35th Light AA Regiment
95th Heavy AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Indian Light AA Regiment
3rd Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
5th Guards Division
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
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Burma

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/23/2011 2:19:06 AM

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February....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 01, 44

Sub / ASW Attacks

An amazing achievement by I-22!
First it was attacked and forced to the surface by a DE...on the surface it got fired upon by lots of ships including a merchant.
So in return the Surada was torpedoed before I-22 made good her escape and as you can see from the attached screen the boat should make it!

I-52 was not so luckyn ear San Francisco! Enemy heavy TF spotted there.

Submarine attack near San Francisco at 217,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-22, hits 18, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Acree
xAK Iron Prince
xAK Surada, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Loch Ranz

SS I-22 is sighted by escort
DE Acree attacking submerged sub ....
DE Acree fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Acree fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Acree fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE Acree attacking submerged sub ....
DE Acree is out of ASW ammo
DE Acree is out of ASW ammo
DE Acree is out of ASW ammo
SS I-22 forced to surface!
xAK Iron Prince firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Surada firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Loch Ranza firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Iron Prince firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Surada firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Loch Ranza firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Iron Prince firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Surada firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Loch Ranza firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Iron Prince firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Surada firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Loch Ranza firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Acree firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Iron Prince firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Surada firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Loch Ranza firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Acree firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Iron Prince firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Surada firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Loch Ranza firing on surfaced sub ....
Contact with submarine is lost
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ASW attack near Los Angeles at 225,77

Japanese Ships
SS I-52, hits 24, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Gatling

SS I-52 is sighted by escort
DD Marshall attacking submerged sub ....
DD Gatling attacking submerged sub ....
DD Marshall fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Gatling fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Gatling attacking submerged sub ....
DD Gatling attacking submerged sub ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

A couple of sweeps back and forth..we claimed a few Thuds today.

Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 36

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 15
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Pegu , at 55,53
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 174 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 8
N1K1-J George x 5
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed
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Div Stats

A new E class patrol vessel will shortly be commissioned. Oh woe to Allied subs then, can't understand that Japan didn't erase all US subs with such vessels in their inventory

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/23/2011 2:59:33 AM

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Never seen a sub survive being forced to surface. This game continues to amaze. Was the action at night or in heavy weather?

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/23/2011 4:32:39 AM

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The Yorktown CV-10 is in display at Patriots Point in Charleston South Carolina. I do not know which was more impressive the carrier or the planes. The ww2 Torpedo planes were a lot larger than I expected.

I also have explored the North Carolina in Wilmington. Hopefully the Alabama is next in Mobile harbor.

Equally fascinating is the Yankee oops Northern gunboat uneartth and restored in the Vicksburg Civil War site. You can see the hole that the shell made as it went thru her sending her to the mud on the bottom of the Mississippi River. Discovered when we had a major drought a few years ago.

I've seen the Hundley in Charseton also. Brave men died in her.

My great-great grandfather rode with the 4th Georgia calvary from start to finish in The real war to end all wars. My dad was at Pearl Harbor 75 years after my relatives surrender (decided to stop shooting) with Joe Johnson in North Carolina in 1865.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/23/2011 7:29:04 AM

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I hope you are not working around the blast area. Who would guess, there will be bomb attacks in Norway?

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
I can easuly count 180 enemy LCUs in Burma now and 375 figthers swept Magwe before the bombers went in this turn.
800 Jap fighters have been deployed around Rangoon to counter the menace.

Sorties numbers are comparable, and since Allies are now on the open terrain, you must push air offensive. You have time till around April, when Allies begin getting even more planes (and, most important - B29). Keep them from building forts. It would be nice, if you could get air superiority in few weeks, and then rout some units on land.

quote:

No idea Inq, guess a shallow hex is 50~ meters or so?

Heh, I checked SSXs, and it seems they have 12 (!) durability! I was counting on maybe 2? Smaller ROs have 20, and Is tends to have 24-33, so not much difference. It seems shallow is around 12-19 feet. Or less, and Midgets could have disadvantages even there.

quote:

With no air unit withdrawals I guess Allies got more squadrons than modern ac to man them with - much like us.

I was thinking about it. Generally, Allies should have been stronger in 1942-43, because they have to keep all units, but I am not sure about late war. Withdrawn air units tends to return in bigger size, and without withdrawals, I am guessing they will not resize, so remain small. So it is possible, that Allies will be actually weaker in late war, that they could have been WITH withdrawals. Also, quite a lots of British ships remained in the area, but again, some of them would return.
Anyway, this was advantage in early war, and since Allies position is still stalemate, opportunity was wasted, and you should have actually easier situation from now.

quote:

Allied destroyers attacked Rangoon for the first time; 4 of them engaged 6 of ours.
Has been a severe drop in efficiency lately, again we could hardly hit the enemy ships while on of ours was set on fire and later sank.
Another old destroyer that was lost, but 4 were modern.

Strange situation, but battle was on very short distances, so we will see, what will happen under normal condiions.
Anyway, you should not allow raids into Rangoon. Are there mines there? Maybe you should also leave some on the access path?

quote:

What do you think, how should we deploy our divisions in Burma now?
Have to bottle up the left flank with 4000 enemy AV - this is their main force.
It will be possible for 3000 enemy AV to move both east and south from basin, but this should be easier to contain.
So I think our reserves should be positioned at or near Toungoo.

You should try to deblockade this cut-off Division. Maybe dropping para unit, and marching, to reclaim hexside?
Also, you should keep substantial forces east of Mandalay, to be ready to reclaim whole base cluster. The more heavy airplanes Allies keep in Burma, the less can be used to support invasion on some island.

Also, am I seeing BOLO as operational loss? BOLO in 1944?

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 7/23/2011 8:19:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
A new E class patrol vessel will shortly be commissioned. Oh woe to Allied subs then, can't understand that Japan didn't erase all US subs with such vessels in their inventory

While I am also disgusted about how easily they sink US subs, without them (at least) I would not have come even close to sinking the historical number. I applaud the efforts to nerf them though the more I think about it the more I would like to see a slight boost to mid-war ASW in general.

If you want to know why the Allies can supply their offensives into Burma so easily and you are playing one of the recent betas, there is something you can do. Select Bombay, scroll to Burma and press the button that shows supply paths (IIRC "5"). Instant enlightenment.

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In memory of the victims of the Oslo massacre - 7/23/2011 12:22:30 PM

PzB74

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A tragedy never before witnessed in our quiet part of the world...
People of all cultures should unite against the increasing madness and extremist attitudes that now arise!

Condolances to all victims of this tragedy

Ps! I live on the west coast 500km from Oslo, thx for asking!

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RE: In memory of the victims of the Oslo massacre - 7/23/2011 1:45:36 PM

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+1 to the condolences...

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RE: In memory of the victims of the Oslo massacre - 7/23/2011 2:06:52 PM

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Really sad. Condolences to the families affected.

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RE: In memory of the victims of the Oslo massacre - 7/23/2011 3:27:38 PM

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Just saw it on the news. :(

RIP.

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RE: In memory of the victims of the Oslo massacre - 7/23/2011 4:15:11 PM

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Awful news. We stand with Norway today and offer our condolences.

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The war grinds on - 7/24/2011 1:42:25 PM

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Thx guys,

Has been a not so great weekend with all this horrible news coming in.
Looks like ~100 killed and 65 wounded, all caused by a single gunman

Of course we had to have a nutcrack like that here in Norway as well...

The fronts in Burma now stabilized and Andy start probing for weakspots..
The I-22 sank today, pump failure and straight down she went.

The game becomes a bit too easy for Japan when Allies can't run a decent sub campaign.
Not sure it would have been this easy to put a lid on their subs in rl.

That's awesome Brock, I planned to see the Yorktown when I was in Texas but the schedule clogged up.
Would definetly be taking a complete tour if I lived around there

So were were you 75 years after WJ day?

Really don't have much for an air offensive in Burma Inq. Medium bombers are too few, too fragile, too far away from targets and too difficult to escort
properly. Results from bombing enemy LCU is merely a nuisance. Midgets is another micro-niche weapon, not something to put a lot of faith in. Will stack em until enemy start their
another amph operation and move on key areas like Marianas, Philippines, SRA etc.

Not allowed to drop paras on open hexes, but it is tempting to drop 100 AV to free our division. Maybe Andy would forgive such an action...what do you think?
Marching a unit to free it will take months. Keeping to strong forces up north is asking for trouble as bulk of enemy force is to the south.
Since we can't attack efficiently into clear terrain / base hexes there isn't much to do up north but block.

Lots of mines at Rangoon, laid a new field just before the last battles but didn't notice any enemy units being hit.
Could have needed some CD guns...but they're in uber short supply.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 02, 44

Air Combat

Allied air power now concentrating on Taung Gyu, the names will continue to be awful throughout the Burma-Indo China campaign I'm afraid.

Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 114 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 46 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 10
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 71
PV-1 Ventura x 10

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 223

Also attacking 6th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking Taung Gyi ...
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 96 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 32

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking Taung Gyi ...
Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking Taung Gyi ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking Taung Gyi ...
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 135 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 46 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 90

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 16

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 79

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 7th Ind.Tank Brigade, at 59,48 (Taung Gyi)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 39

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
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Burma Fronts

The areas marked in red is now our frontline bases in Burma - for fighters mostly.
Our rear areas marked in yellow will provide required ground support. I'm boosting construction of Helen IIbs, especially engines needs to be upped.
Can never keep up with demand and got 100s of lesser ac types I'd like to convert.

Between January and March I'm going to move no less than 10 brigade units to bolster our defenses in SRA and Marianas.
Marianas has already been fleshed out and I'm moving freshly trained navy air units in long range A6M2 Zeros and convert them to Jacks and Georges.

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RE: The war grinds on - 7/24/2011 5:48:23 PM

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Cracking AAR

Thought I'd wander over from WITE forum to check out WITP:AE

It looks great!

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RE: The war grinds on - 7/24/2011 7:23:23 PM

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Thx for dropping a few lines Encircled!
The old bunch still slug it out here

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 03, 44

Ground Combat

Andy advanced past Bhamo without leaving a garrison...we seized the opportunity.

Ground combat at Bhamo (63,44)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 102 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 8
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Bhamo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
3rd Raiding Rgt /1
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Combined Fleet HQ

I'm planning to move Combined Fleet HQ to Mindanao and Davao.
I've been building a strong infrastructure here and Manila has 360k units of fuel, size 9 / 9 AF - Ports.
Other supporting bases are also being expanded to size 9.

Plan is to have our full strength fleet in a safe and central location that will enable it to quickly react to any Allied incursions into our primary defense zones.
- SRA, Philippines, Marianas

What do you think about such a move?

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RE: The war grinds on - 7/25/2011 12:20:15 AM

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A nice battle at Rangoon this turn were all our forces played their part!
5 Allied destroyers swept in and met our MTB boat flotillas.

The slow (22knot) boats were easy kills for the fast destroyers but the fast 38knot boats did better.
They only scored gun hits and 7 boats were sunk.

In return a destroyer found a mine and another was first hit and slowed by a 250kg bomb dropped by a low flying Helen.
This enabled Nells to strike and sink the HMS Relentless with a torpedo.

Even our night bombers took of to attack the enemy, was onyl the midget sub in Rangoon that remained passive - maybe just as well!-)

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 04, 44

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-151
MTB G-152, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-153, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-154, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-155, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
MTB G-156
MTB G-157, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-158, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Black
DD Bullard, Shell hits 2
DD Guest
DD Sproston, Shell hits 1
DD Relentless

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 78% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 78% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards

Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-538
MTB G-539
MTB G-540
MTB G-541

Allied Ships
DD Black
DD Bullard
DD Guest
DD Sproston
DD Relentless

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms with 78% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 78% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
Doubleman, E.D. crosses the 'T'

Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-538
MTB G-539, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-540
MTB G-541

Allied Ships
DD Black, Shell hits 1
DD Bullard
DD Guest
DD Sproston
DD Relentless, Shell hits 1

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms with 85% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 85% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards

Task forces break off...
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TF 119 encounters mine field at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Ships
DD Bullard, Mine hits 1
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Air Combat

Night Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 54,53
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 112 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 2
P1Y1 Frances x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Sproston
DD Relentless
DD Bullard

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Bassein at 53,50
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 26
N1K1-J George x 33
Ki-84a Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
7 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 30000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
18 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Bassein at 53,50
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 208 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 66 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 8 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Bullard
DD Black
DD Relentless, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bassein at 53,50
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bassein at 53,50
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 44 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 13

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Relentless, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Sproston

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Sea & Air Battles

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RE: The war grinds on - 7/30/2011 7:06:34 AM

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Have you seen this topic? Your game is few weeks ahead, but Andy have lost 100 planes more already. Quite a lots of it gone down, with his Carriers, but still, his pools can not look much better. You can break his airpower.
Establishing new defence line now gives you nothing in long term. You have to strike on-land before monsoon, after that it will be too late, with Allied production. It is really last chance for offensive.

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ORIGINAL: PzB
I'm planning to move Combined Fleet HQ to Mindanao and Davao.
I've been building a strong infrastructure here and Manila has 360k units of fuel, size 9 / 9 AF - Ports.
Other supporting bases are also being expanded to size 9.

Plan is to have our full strength fleet in a safe and central location that will enable it to quickly react to any Allied incursions into our primary defense zones.
- SRA, Philippines, Marianas

What do you think about such a move?

Optimally you should use an island (Ambon?), but keeping fuel not at land mass is pretty risky, so Davao seems to be best option.

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