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RE: Next quiz - 8/23/2011 6:26:21 PM   
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1. But could Malta have survived with out Operation Torch?

2. You have to admit Malta was a major contributor to the control of the Mediterranean.


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1. Yes - remember the Operation Stoneage convoy from Suez to Malta took place on 16th(?) November, helped by the victory at El-Alamein and the pushing west of Axis troops. I am not in anyway suggesting Torch was not important (it certainly was), but by late 1942 the Regia Marina had no fuel and Axis air forces in the Mediterranean were being gradually whittled down.

2. Interesting question - although I have recently read that this was not as vital as has traditionally been made out. I need to read more on this, but will start a discussion thread for anyone who is interested.

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RE: Next quiz - 8/23/2011 9:50:26 PM   
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Operation Pedestal Re-supplying Malta Succeeded
Operation Bellows Furious launches 38 Spitfires to Malta
Operation Ascendant

Torch
Operation Train Furious launches 29x Spitfires to Malta
Operation Crupper
Operation Goalpost
Operation Brushwood
Operation Blackstone
Operation Terminal (Algiers, Algeria) Succeeded
Operation Reservist (Oran, Algeria) Failed

Perpetual
Operation Perpetual The Assault on Bougie and Djidjelli


Extra point question: Which Liberty Ship was part of a convoy and had the same name as an U.S. Attack Transport during Operation Torch?


Third set of clues

Only one other of the operations that have not been guessed failed.


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RE: Next quiz - 8/24/2011 2:08:41 AM   
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Pedestal
Operation Pedestal Re-supplying Malta Succeeded
Operation Bellows Furious launches 38 Spitfires to Malta
Operation Ascendant

Torch
Operation Train Furious launches 29x Spitfires to Malta
Operation Crupper
Operation Goalpost
Operation Brushwood
Operation Blackstone
Operation Terminal (Algiers, Algeria) Succeeded
Operation Reservist (Oran, Algeria) Failed

Perpetual
Operation Perpetual The Assault on Bougie and Djidjelli


Extra point question: Which Liberty Ship was part of a convoy and had the same name as an U.S. Attack Transport during Operation Torch?


Third set of clues

Only one other of the operations that have not been guessed failed.

Warspite1

Well my knowledge of Torch is somewhat limited - the only one I knew has already been guessed - Operation Reservist was a gallant failure (Captain F Peters won the V.C in this action ).

Operation Bellows and Operation Train both succeeded, courtesy of HMS Furious IIRC. Operation Ascendant is really annoying me. I cannot recall another subsidiary operation for Pedestal so I will guess it was a diversionary operation in the Eastern Med to assist Pedestal?

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RE: Next quiz - 8/24/2011 1:03:03 PM   
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Operation Pedestal Re-supplying Malta Succeeded
Operation Bellows Furious launches 38 Spitfires to Malta Succeeded
Operation Ascendant - getting ships out of Malta from a previous convoy Succeeded

Torch
Operation Train Furious launches 29x Spitfires to Malta Succeeded
Operation Crupper Failed

Torch landings
Operation Goalpost Succeeded
Operation Brushwood Succeeded
Operation Blackstone Succeeded
Operation Terminal (Algiers, Algeria) Succeeded
Operation Reservist (Oran, Algeria) Failed

Perpetual
Operation Perpetual The Assault on Bougie and Djidjelli Succeeded

See For the Purists for details



Extra point question: Which Liberty Ship was part of a convoy and had the same name as an U.S. Attack Transport during Operation Torch?

Transport SS Edward Rutledge (Liberty Ship launched 06/21/42) (7,177 tons) MT, Petrol 224 tons, Stores 500 tons, 49 Personnel

Attack Transport USS Edward Rutledge (AP-52) (ex SS Exeter) (Launched 04/04/31) (9,360 tons) 11/12/42 Sunk by U-130 off Fedala, French Morocco




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RE: Next quiz - 8/24/2011 4:44:58 PM   
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Operation Bellows Furious launches 38 Spitfires to Malta Succeeded
Operation Ascendant - getting ships out of Malta from a previous convoy Succeeded
Operation Train Furious launches 29x Spitfires to Malta Succeeded

Warspite1

2 out of 3 so that was what Ascendant was about .

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RE: Next quiz - 8/24/2011 9:50:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it is see: "For the Purists" - Operation Pedestal or Operation Pedestal

Just a FYI to help answer your previous question "Why is Pedestal associated with Torch". This would be hard to show without the following link which would give away most of the answers I posed.

"Operation Pedestal" is almost always associated with "Operation Torch" on the Internet.

THE AFRICAN CAMPAIGNS 1st August - 31st December, 1942




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RE: Next quiz - 8/24/2011 10:15:36 PM   
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Yes it is see: "For the Purists" - Operation Pedestal or Operation Pedestal

Just a FYI to help answer your previous question "Why is Pedestal associated with Torch". This would be hard to show without the following link which would give away most of the answers I posed.

"Operation Pedestal" is almost always associated with "Operation Torch" on the Internet.

THE AFRICAN CAMPAIGNS 1st August - 31st December, 1942



Warspite1

Well I admittedly only had a cursory look at that tome, and so I may have missed something, but as far as I can see Roskill is saying that - Malta having been saved meant that she could play her part in Torch i.e. the subs you mention. I maintain that there is no case for saying those subs operating from Malta was a factor in the success of Torch. I guess we will have to agree to disagree

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RE: Next quiz - 8/25/2011 3:48:49 AM   
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USA TF-34 Submarine Force performing as beacons to the convoys
Submarine USS Shad (SS-235) (off Port Lyatuey)
Submarine USS Gunnel (SS-253) (off Casablanca)
Submarine USS Herring (SS-233) (off Casablanca)
Submarine USS Barb (SS-220) (off Safi)

From Malta
CENTRAL NAVAL TASK FORCE (Oran, Algeria)
10th Submarine Flotilla (elements) performing as beacons to the convoys
Submarine HMS Unshaken (P 54) Western Landing Group (Beach X-RAY) and Center Landing Group (Beach YORKER)
Submarine HMS Ursula (N 59) Eastern Landing Group (Beach ZEBRA)

EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE (Algiers, Algeria)
10th Submarine Flotilla (elements) performing as beacons to the convoys
Submarine HMS Shakespeare (P 221) Western Landing Group (Beach APPLES)
Submarine HMS P 48 (P 48) Center Landing Group (Beach BEER)
Submarine HMS Unrivalled (P 45) Eastern Landing Group (Beach CHARLIE)


Yes I will have to agree to disagree.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/6/2011 2:20:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		During Operation Torch a new type of ships was introduced the Landing Ship Tank or LST.

After Dunkirk the British had realized they needed ocean-going ships able to land tanks shore to shore. They had 3 tankers converted to have bow doors and ramps installed which became the first LST’s. These LST (1)’s were named HMS Misoa, HMS Tasajera and HMS Bachaquero. But at the time they weren’t called LST’s they were called by their ships class name.


What was the name of the lake in Venezuela their class was named after



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RE: Next quiz - 9/6/2011 4:29:34 PM   
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During Operation Torch a new type of ships was introduced the Landing Ship Tank or LST.

After Dunkirk the British had realized they needed ocean-going ships able to land tanks shore to shore. They had 3 tankers converted to have bow doors and ramps installed which became the first LST’s. These LST (1)’s were named HMS Misoa, HMS Tasajera and HMS Bachaquero. But at the time they weren’t called LST’s they were called by their ships class name.


What was the name of the lake in Venezuela their class was named after



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I did not know they were given a class name, but the Venezuelan lake was Maracaibo. These ships were used during the invasion of Madagascar IIRC.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/6/2011 6:57:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

During Operation Torch a new type of ships was introduced the Landing Ship Tank or LST.

After Dunkirk the British had realized they needed ocean-going ships able to land tanks shore to shore. They had 3 tankers converted to have bow doors and ramps installed which became the first LST’s. These LST (1)’s were named HMS Misoa, HMS Tasajera and HMS Bachaquero. But at the time they weren’t called LST’s they were called by their ships class name.


What was the name of the lake in Venezuela their class was named after



Warspite1

I did not know they were given a class name, but the Venezuelan lake was Maracaibo. These ships were used during the invasion of Madagascar IIRC.



Correct about the lake and that was the queston.


Maracaibo Class (aka Maracaibo's).

HMS Bachaquero was the only LST to engage in operational duties in WW2 off the beaches of Madagascar on the May 6, 1942.

While HMS Misoa and HMS Tasajera made their active service debuts in Operation Torch.


You took one of my clues away with your answer.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/6/2011 7:05:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

During Operation Torch a new type of ships was introduced the Landing Ship Tank or LST.

After Dunkirk the British had realized they needed ocean-going ships able to land tanks shore to shore. They had 3 tankers converted to have bow doors and ramps installed which became the first LST’s. These LST (1)’s were named HMS Misoa, HMS Tasajera and HMS Bachaquero. But at the time they weren’t called LST’s they were called by their ships class name.


What was the name of the lake in Venezuela their class was named after



Warspite1

I did not know they were given a class name, but the Venezuelan lake was Maracaibo. These ships were used during the invasion of Madagascar IIRC.



Correct about the lake and that was the queston.


Maracaibo Class (aka Maracaibo's).

HMS Bachaquero was the only LST to engage in operational duties in WW2 off the beaches of Madagascar on the May 6, 1942.

While HMS Misoa and HMS Tasajera made their active service debuts in Operation Torch.


You took one of my clues away with your answer.
Warspite1

Sorry old boy

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RE: Next quiz - 9/6/2011 8:39:54 PM   
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The modern U.S. Navy uses the LCC (Amphibious Command Ships) to provide command, control, and communications support to the commander and staff of the fleet.

Military Intelligence (an oxymoron) gets upset when embarked troops can read a map with NATO symbols.

They hid the map in S&C (the Secret & Confidential compartment) after I discussed troop movements with the head of Intelligence one morning.



During Operation Torch the Royal Navy used five ships of two types to perform these functions.

Two were of one type:

One for CENTRAL NAVAL TASK FORCE (Oran, Algeria) - Commodore Thomas Hope Troubridge
One for EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE (Algiers, Algeria) - Vice Admiral Sir Harold Martin Burrough


The three of the other type were all part of the EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE:

One at Beach APPLES
One at Beach BEER
One at Beach CHARLIE




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RE: Next quiz - 9/6/2011 8:48:47 PM   
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Since you did so well on that one here is another.


The modern U.S. Navy uses the LCC (Amphibious Command Ships) to provide command, control, and communications support to the commander and staff of the fleet.

Military Intelligence (an oxymoron) gets upset when embarked troops can read a map with NATO symbols.

They hid the map in S&C (the Secret & Confidential compartment) after I discussed troop movements with the head of Intelligence one morning.



During Operation Torch the Royal Navy used five ships of two types to perform these functions.

Two were of one type:

One for CENTRAL NAVAL TASK FORCE (Oran, Algeria) - Commodore Thomas Hope Troubridge
One for EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE (Algiers, Algeria) - Vice Admiral Sir Harold Martin Burrough


The three of the other type were all part of the EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE:

One at Beach APPLES
One at Beach BEER
One at Beach CHARLIE



Warspite1

The first two are Largs and Bulolo, but I will have to leave for others to get the other three.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/7/2011 10:43:54 AM   
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The first two are Largs and Bulolo, but I will have to leave for others to get the other three.



Largs and Bulolo the flagships is the correct answer for the first two.

I messed up the second type there were four. (I was making a list recheck the ships an missed one and messed up the fleets)


One directly attached to EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE.


CENTRE NAVAL TASK FORCE:

One at Beach APPLES
One at Beach BEER
One at Beach CHARLIE



Clue 2: The other four ships controlled aircraft at Oran and Algiers, Algeria.



You can have another quess on the other four ships if you want.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/7/2011 9:40:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other ships also controlled aircraft? Didn't the Bellonas have that capability? Trouble is 1942 seems a bit early for them. What about four of the Didos?

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RE: Next quiz - 9/8/2011 12:54:45 AM   
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Dido Class at Operation Torch
Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Argonaut (61)
Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser HMS Charybdis (88)
Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser HMS Scylla (98)
Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser HMS Sirius (82)



Force H (Admiral Syfret)
2x Battleships (Duke of York and Rodney)
1x Battle cruiser (Renown)
3x Aircraft Carriers (Victorious, Formidable, and Furious)
3x Cruisers (Light Cruiser Bermuda, Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Argonaut, and Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Sirius)
17x Destroyers

Force O - Covering Force for KMS.1 (A) Eastern Naval Task Force
1x Aircraft Carrier (Argus)
1x Auxiliary carrier (Avenger)
1x Monitor (Roberts)
3x Cruisers (Heavy Cruiser Sheffield, Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Scylla, and Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Charybdis)
5x Destroyers (Broke, Malcolm, Opportune, Vanoc, and Wrestler)

You will notice these were not at the beaches mentioned.


Last clue: One was sunk on November 12, 1942 at Bougie, Algeria.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/8/2011 2:35:32 PM   
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Centre Naval Task Force (Commodore Troubridge) (Western Landing group (Beach APPLES), Center Landing Group (Beach BEER), and Eastern Landing Group Beach CHARLIE) (Oran, Algeria)

3x A.A. Ships (Pozarica Beach APPLES, Palomares Beach BEER, and Tynwald (sunk on November 12, 1942 at Bougie, Algeria) Beach CHARLIE)


Eastern Naval Task Force (Admiral Burrough) (Western Landing group (Beach X-RAY), Center Landing Group (Beach YORKER), and Eastern Landing Group Beach ZEBRA) (Algiers, Algeria)

2x A.A. Ships (Alynbank and 1x Beach ZEBRA (Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Delhi))



I would like to thank warspite1 (aka Robert Jenkins) on his contribution to the naval units writeups.



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RE: Next quiz - 9/8/2011 6:08:59 PM   
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And the answer is the Anti-aircraft ships.


Centre Naval Task Force (Commodore Troubridge) (Western Landing group (Beach APPLES), Center Landing Group (Beach BEER), and Eastern Landing Group Beach CHARLIE) (Oran, Algeria)

3x A.A. Ships (Pozarica Beach APPLES, Palomares Beach BEER, and Tynwald (sunk on November 12, 1942 at Bougie, Algeria) Beach CHARLIE)


Eastern Naval Task Force (Admiral Burrough) (Western Landing group (Beach X-RAY), Center Landing Group (Beach YORKER), and Eastern Landing Group Beach ZEBRA) (Algiers, Algeria)

2x A.A. Ships (Alynbank and 1x Beach ZEBRA (Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Delhi))



I would like to thank warspite1 (aka Robert Jenkins) on his contribution to the naval units writeups.



I think there would be a long queue of people thanking Rob.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/10/2011 8:03:42 AM   
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And the answer is the Anti-aircraft ships.


Centre Naval Task Force (Commodore Troubridge) (Western Landing group (Beach APPLES), Center Landing Group (Beach BEER), and Eastern Landing Group Beach CHARLIE) (Oran, Algeria)

3x A.A. Ships (Pozarica Beach APPLES, Palomares Beach BEER, and Tynwald (sunk on November 12, 1942 at Bougie, Algeria) Beach CHARLIE)


Eastern Naval Task Force (Admiral Burrough) (Western Landing group (Beach X-RAY), Center Landing Group (Beach YORKER), and Eastern Landing Group Beach ZEBRA) (Algiers, Algeria)

2x A.A. Ships (Alynbank and 1x Beach ZEBRA (Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Delhi))



I would like to thank warspite1 (aka Robert Jenkins) on his contribution to the naval units writeups.


Warspite1

Thanks for those kind words Extraneous/Shannon. However, this is a team effort. I am indebted to Extraneous for continuing to proof read these write-ups.

I am also a little embarrassed that I did not know the answer to part II of the torch question - especially as Pozerica is one of the ships that I have written about . My only defence is that it was a long time ago now - and the focus of the write-up was PQ17 rather than Torch (which shall be left to another counter(s)).

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RE: Next quiz - 9/10/2011 11:26:33 AM   
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Thanks for those kind words Extraneous/Shannon. However, this is a team effort. I am indebted to Extraneous for continuing to proof read these write-ups.

I am also a little embarrassed that I did not know the answer to part II of the torch question - especially as Pozerica is one of the ships that I have written about . My only defence is that it was a long time ago now - and the focus of the write-up was PQ17 rather than Torch (which shall be left to another counter(s)).


The Anti-aircraft ships were not well known and easily overlooked. At first I thought they were just a floating anti-aircraft platform for convoys. Then I read they were directing aircraft during Operation Torch.

With all your write-ups on the Royal Navy I figured you would have been more concerned with the battle line and probably had overlooked the auxiliaries.


Trawlers were another invaluable type of vessel (you can’t really call them a ship) used by the British early in the war. They were used as anti-submarine, minesweeping, and supply ships.





I am still straitening out the Torch checklist (as you can see it still has holes in it).

CENTRAL NAVAL TASK FORCE - Commodore Thomas Hope Troubridge Flagship: Landing Ship Headquarters (Large) HMS Largs
Western Landing Group (Beach X-RAY) (Mersa bou Zedjar, Oran, Algeria)
Center Landing Group (Beach YORKER) (Les Andalouses; Oran, Algeria)
Eastern Landing Group (Beach ZEBRA) (Golfe d'Arzew; Oran, Algeria)
1x H.Q. Ships (Largs)
2x Auxiliary carriers (Dasher, Bitter)
2x Cruisers (1x Beach ZEBRA (Jamaica) and 1x Beach X-RAY (Aurora))
2x A.A. Ships (Alynbank and 1x Beach ZEBRA (Light Anti-aircraft Cruiser Delhi))
8x (16x ?) Destroyers (1x Beach X-RAY (Calpe), 2x Beach YORKER (Wivern and Brilliant), and 3x Beach ZEBRA (Bicester and Farndale))
8x Minesweepers (8x Beach ZEBRA (Rothesay, Stornoway, Rhyl, Polruan, Brixham, Bude, Felixstowe, and Clacton))
4x Sloops (2x Beach X-RAY, 1x Beach YORKER, and 1x Beach ZEBRA)
6x Corvettes (2x Beach X-RAY, 2x Beach YORKER, and 2x Beach ZEBRA)
8x Trawlers (A/S-M/S) (3x Beach X-RAY, 3x Beach YORKER, and 2x Beach ZEBRA)
8x Motor Launches (3x Beach X-RAY, 3x Beach YORKER, and 2x Beach ZEBRA)
2x Submarines (1x covering Beach X-RAY and Beach YORKER (HMS Unshaken) and 1x Beach ZEBRA (HMS Ursula))
11x Landing Ships Infantry
(3x Beach X-RAY 1x Large (Stefan Batory), 2x medium (Queen Emma and Princess Beatrix),
Beach YORKER 3x Large (Durban Castle, Llangibby Castle, and HMS Glengyle),
and Beach ZEBRA 6x Large (Duchess of Bedford, Durban Castle, Ettrick, RMMV Reina Del Pacifico, Tegelberg, Warwick Castle), 3x small (Royal Ulsterman, Ulster Monarch, and Royal Scotsman))
3x Landing Ships Tank (AKA Maracaibos) (1x Beach X-RAY (HMS Bachaquero) and 2x Beach ZEBRA (HMS Misoa and HMS Tasajera))
1x Landing Ships Gantry (1x Beach ZEBRA (Derwentdale)
21x Mechanical Transport
(4x Beach X-RAY (Benalbenach, Mary Slessor, Mark Twain, and Walt Whitman),
2x 3x Beach YORKER (Monarch of Bermuda, Clan Mactaggart, and Salacia),
and 15x Beach ZEBRA (Derbyshire))


11/08/42 EASTERN NAVAL TASK FORCE - Vice Admiral Sir Harold Martin Burrough Flagship: Landing Ship Headquarters (Large) HMS Bulolo (F.82)
Western Landing Group (Beach APPLES) (Castiglione Beach; Algiers, Algeria)
Centre Landing Group (Beach BEER) (between Cap Sidi Ferruch and Rass Acrata point; Algiers, Algeria)
Eastern Landing Group (Beach CHARLIE) (between Jean-Bart Village and Taya Village; Algiers, Algeria)
1x H.Q. Ship (1x Beach APPLES (Bulolo))
3x A.A. Ships (1x Beach BEER (Pozarica), 1x Beach APPLES (Palomares), and 1x Beach CHARLIE (Tynwald))
13x (12) Destroyers
(5x Force O (Malcolm (Operation Terminal), Broke (Operation Terminal), Wrestler, Vanoc, and Opportune), 2x Beach APPLES (Bramham and Wheatland), 3x Beach BEER (Blyskawica, Lamerton, and Wilton), and 2x Beach CHARLIE (Cowdray and Zetland))
2x Cutters (2x Beach CHARLIE)
7x Fleet Minesweepers (3x Beach BEER (Acute, Algerine, and Hussar) and 4x Beach CHARLIE (Alarm, Albacore, Cadmus, and Speedwell))
6x Corvettes (2x Beach APPLES (Convolvulus and Marigold), 2x Beach BEER, and 2x Beach CHARLIE)
4x Sloops (2x Beach APPLES (Stork and Enchantress), 1x Beach BEER, and 1x Beach CHARLIE)
8x Trawlers (A/S-M/S) (3x Beach APPLES, 3x Beach BEER, and 2x Beach CHARLIE)
10x Motor Launches (1x Beach APPLES, 5x Beach BEER, and 4x Beach CHARLIE)
3x Submarines (1x Beach APPLES (HMS Shakespeare), 1x Beach BEER (HMS P 48), and 1x Beach CHARLIE (HMS Unrivalled))
15x Landing Ships Infantry (Beach APPLES 1x Large and 2x Medium) (Beach BEER 3x Large) (Beach CHARLIE 6x Large and 3x Small)
4x Combat Loaders (4x Beach CHARLIE (USS Almaack, USS Samuel Chase, USS Leedstown, and USS Thomas Stone 11/07/42 05:35Torpedoed by U-205))
1x Landing Ships Gantry (1x Beach CHARLIE (Ennerdale))
12x Mechanical Transport (4x Beach Apples (Lalande, Manchester Port, Ocean Wanderer, and Ocean Victory), 2x Beach BEER (Cathay, Letitia), 6x Beach CHARLIE)
6x Merchant vessels (0x Beach APPLES, 0x Beach BEER, and 0x Beach CHARLIE)
1x Cable Ship (1x Beach CHARLIE)


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RE: Next quiz - 9/10/2011 9:03:55 PM   
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a) Where would you find a Half Raspberry being carried out?
b) Who would be carrying out a Half Raspberry?

Bonus Point
c) What exactly was s Half Raspberry?

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RE: Next quiz - 9/11/2011 5:21:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

During World War II:

a) Where would you find a Half Raspberry being carried out?
b) Who would be carrying out a Half Raspberry?

Bonus Point
c) What exactly was s Half Raspberry?


Shoot a star shell up to help them find the answer to the question




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RE: Next quiz - 9/11/2011 5:40:45 PM   
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During World War II:

a) Where would you find a Half Raspberry being carried out?
b) Who would be carrying out a Half Raspberry?

Bonus Point
c) What exactly was s Half Raspberry?
Warspite1

Okay, a clue: the North Atlantic was probably the most likely place to see one being carried out - plenty more places though.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/12/2011 6:06:17 PM   
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A Raspberry was one of a number of actions that convoy escorts could take - others included Pineapple, Strawberry etc - when encountering the threat of submarine attack. These manoeuvres were designed by Captain Gilbert Roberts RN and his team working at the Western Approaches Tactical unit.

a) So the answer to a) was potentially, wherever there was a convoy, some escorts, and one or more enemy subs.
b) Convoy escorts would be the ones performing said Raspberry
c) Raspberry was a night tactic to catch U-Boats on the surface, when ordered some escorts held their place and fired starshell to illuminate the scene, other designated escorts turned outwards to port and starboard of the convoy, and carried out a triangular search on each rear quarter of the convoy, also firing starshell. Half raspberry was when this tactic was carried out only on one side of the convoy.

So there you go!



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During this maneuver all the escorts turn IN toward the convoy and the ships in the convoy fire SNOWFLAKE illuminating rockets. If the U Boat is still on the surface trying to run back out of the convoy the escorts may sight it illuminated against the convoy. If the submarine was not sighted in the snowflake illumination area it could be that the submarine slipped out, or fired from long range on the flanks, so now all the escorts turn outward away from the convoy. As they do they fire flares and star shell into pre-arranged areas. If the submarine is further away, then it may still be illuminated. Any ship that sights a U Boat opens fire with its guns, turns toward it and tries to force it to dive. Once it’s down it is much slower and the escorts can attempt to keep it under while the convoy gets clear.


Half Raspberry (night operation)

Some escorts hold their place on the screen and fire starshell rockets to illuminate the scene, and some carry out a triangular sweep, also using the starshell rockets.


Artichoke and Pineapple (daylight operations)

The faster escorts all turn about and move down the columns of the convoy seeking the submarine. If necessary the convoy can be ordered to drop smoke floats after the escorts pass them. In case the submarine is looking to get another shot off. The escort commander will then decide which ships will continue to prosecute the contact and for how long. The reason it was normally the faster escorts that carried out such attacks was they could regain contact with the convoy more quickly. The rest of the escorts return to their positions. If a submarine was not located the escorts will most likely be ordered to return to their positions by reversing the ARTICHOKE and steaming back up the columns while searching. This was known as PINEAPPLE.


Buttercup (night operation)

The escorts turned outward from the convoy, firing star shell and SNOWFLAKE illuminating rockets on every bearing the U-boat might use as an escape route.


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RE: Next quiz - 9/13/2011 3:37:18 PM   
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RE: Next quiz - 9/14/2011 5:09:21 PM   
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Why did vice Admiral Harold Thomas Walker have trouble with his zipper?


The war ended.

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RE: Next quiz - 9/14/2011 8:08:05 PM   
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Could also have accepted that he had lost a hand in combat in WW1.

But why was he nicknamed Hooky?

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RE: Next quiz - 9/15/2011 10:39:02 PM   
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Correct.
Could also have accepted that he had lost a hand in combat in WW1.

But why was he nicknamed Hooky?


Next clue is?

Since its obvious that it wasn't because of his hook hand.

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