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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/6/2011 9:50:57 AM

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It looks like JJ is bugging out of Tyne Daly. In anticipation of said event a base force is moving out of David Tennant to be ready.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/6/2011 1:41:22 PM

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Not sure that's worth the time or effort at this point, mate.

Incidentally, what's the 35th Chinese corps doing in the middle of Australia? Oi!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/6/2011 2:13:13 PM

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Is it worth using Wessel Islands as a base to interdict the sea route into Darwin?

I actually tried to offload some naval support units there in preparation for a fast transport taffy to come in....but they wouldn't get off the sub.

I dont know how we can land anything substantial there unless Darwin airfield were shut down and we had carrier support. Once Merauke is up to level 2, I can land something on one of the islands in the Aru Sea

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 2:46:15 PM

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*************October 26, 1942*****************

Oz: No Jap bomber raids on PH for 2 d, this after we put a P-38 CAP there. I think we have a security leak somewhere. Kirishima bombarded our forces at PH yesterday. JJ is managing to get 3-4 Zeroes in the air over PH every morning. Yesterday, despite an escort of a dozen P-38's they got in among some RAAF Hudson LR which had just converted from mail delivery. They shot down 6...though most of the crews seem to have survived. Today, the attacks were all B-25's, B-24's and B-17E/F which are a bit sturdier. One Zero was confirmed lost with no Allied losses. Br. 2nd is still quite disrupted but 32nd ID and East Africa are in good shape. Most of the B-24's at Perth have been moved back to Alice to get ready for another offensive over Wyndham.

A TF of North Carolina and South Dakota was ordered again to Exmouth after they turned around yesterday. Exmouth is level 1 with about 50 RAAF/RAF export P-40's and Hurricane II's.

SouPac: I am getting ready for a "demonstration" in or about New Scotland before we go back to PH. The likely target is Tanna as we would be likely welcomed by the cargo cultists. It seems the garrison is two Naval Guard Bn and an SNLF unit. What will I need? Two Marine regiments?

Aleutians: On October 24, a sentry on Kiska reported a seagull "with kinda slanty eyes". This report ran up the backbone of the Aleutians like a neural impulse and caused quite a stir in Anchorage. The town was put on full alert. There were no confirmed enemy sightings but the city council did subsequently vote to authorized $700 to repair Gus Appledorn's salmon boat which was holed by two 40 mm rounds after an AAA gunner with too much java mistook him for a Jap destroyer.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 5:30:08 PM

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SouPac: I am getting ready for a "demonstration" in or about New Scotland before we go back to PH. The likely target is Tanna as we would be likely welcomed by the cargo cultists. It seems the garrison is two Naval Guard Bn and an SNLF unit. What will I need? Two Marine regiments?

Figure 60-64 AV per NavGuardBn / SNLF unit-approximately 180 in total. Plus terrain and entrenchment / prep. modifiers. Two Marine regiments at 160-ish? 320? Dunno, may not be enough. Whatha got for artillery, LBA to bomb 'em, etc. available?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 5:32:06 PM

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Aleutians: On October 24, a sentry on Kiska reported a seagull "with kinda slanty eyes". This report ran up the backbone of the Aleutians like a neural impulse and caused quite a stir in Anchorage. The town was put on full alert. There were no confirmed enemy sightings but the city council did subsequently vote to authorized $700 to repair Gus Appledorn's salmon boat which was holed by two 40 mm rounds after an AAA gunner with too much java mistook him for a Jap destroyer.

Wow. Appledorn's afferent Anchorage Aleutian Alert syndrome, writ large.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 5:40:59 PM

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SouPac: I am getting ready for a "demonstration" in or about New Scotland before we go back to PH. The likely target is Tanna as we would be likely welcomed by the cargo cultists. It seems the garrison is two Naval Guard Bn and an SNLF unit. What will I need? Two Marine regiments?

Figure 60-64 AV per NavGuardBn / SNLF unit-approximately 180 in total. Plus terrain and entrenchment / prep. modifiers. Two Marine regiments at 160-ish? 320? Dunno, may not be enough. Whatha got for artillery, LBA to bomb 'em, etc. available?

Maybe I need to find someplace else. I need to get everyone ashore in one day because there are a nest of level 3 and higher Jap airfields about. They dont have bombers but that wouldn't las long and my air cover would be Long Island and Copahee and maybe 30 F4F's.

That means I need about triple the rated capacity of AP's to achieve a fast unload (AP's loaded to about 33% capacity). I might have enough for some arty and 2 Regiments.

I have only 8 B-17's left at Suva..all the other heavies are in Oz.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 5:43:28 PM

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SouPac: I am getting ready for a "demonstration" in or about New Scotland before we go back to PH. The likely target is Tanna as we would be likely welcomed by the cargo cultists. It seems the garrison is two Naval Guard Bn and an SNLF unit. What will I need? Two Marine regiments?

Figure 60-64 AV per NavGuardBn / SNLF unit-approximately 180 in total. Plus terrain and entrenchment / prep. modifiers. Two Marine regiments at 160-ish? 320? Dunno, may not be enough. Whatha got for artillery, LBA to bomb 'em, etc. available?

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Tanna

I might also add that A few BB's [good job for the prewar USN BB's] in support will disrupt LYB squads .. but 2:1 adjusted AV is required to kick these guys out. He will have forts .... At least its not an atoll ...

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 6:31:15 PM

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I might also add that A few BB's [good job for the prewar USN BB's] in support will disrupt LYB squads .. but 2:1 adjusted AV is required to kick these guys out. He will have forts .... At least its not an atoll ...

Yes, we have almost all of our floating reefs in Geraldton and Perth to support Weasel. Nevada was sunk in the fighting there. New Mexico is almost fully repaired at Los Angeles after the damage she suffered at Pearl. There are 3 prewar BB's at Pearl but they will not be going anywhere soon. PoW is at Pearl after taking a torp on her journey from San Fran.

Only Washington is available to support SouPac.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/7/2011 8:57:44 PM

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I might also add that A few BB's [good job for the prewar USN BB's] in support will disrupt LYB squads .. but 2:1 adjusted AV is required to kick these guys out. He will have forts .... At least its not an atoll ...

Yes, we have almost all of our floating reefs in Geraldton and Perth to support Weasel. Nevada was sunk in the fighting there. New Mexico is almost fully repaired at Los Angeles after the damage she suffered at Pearl. There are 3 prewar BB's at Pearl but they will not be going anywhere soon. PoW is at Pearl after taking a torp on her journey from San Fran.

Only Washington is available to support SouPac.

The CA's also work .. but clearly not as well .. more risk if he has any naval guns but I have had luck putting the float planes on recon on the target and when dalylight comes it increases effectveness. Dive Bombers work as well. From my limited experince I might also suggest getting everybody off in the first phase. [I can't remember if you are 1 or 2 days per turn? I am one day a turn so I made sure everybody was off the boats and ashore before the amphb had a chance to reverse. I did this by loading more ships so 800 of troops maximum on each ship plus supplies ..] The good news is that 320 AV should get ashore and since it is not an atoll, the worse that can happen is you have an island you have to supply while more forces are on their way .. he is not going to push you off .. the risk is that you cannot complete the job and it attracts attention ..the follow up is going to be made more difficult by the LYB ...

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 3:06:27 AM

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You know, you turn your back on this thread and...poof...it's on the second page! What's new with the war, Cap?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 8:34:31 AM

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You know, you turn your back on this thread and...poof...it's on the second page! What's new with the war, Cap?

I suspect our heroes are engaged in top secret, and delicate negotiations with M & M Enterprises, Tropical Division, for the long term lease of some floating coral reefs to add to their current stock of floating steel reefs. There is probably some hard ball negotiating over the colour arrangement required for camouflage. Also awfully difficult to find some hard points for the attachment of guns. Not to mention the difficulty in obtaining the necessary positive environmental impact statement within the DOD defence budget.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 3:01:59 PM

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I'll bet it has something to do with bolt-ons.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 3:26:30 PM

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Mandrake, I confess that may presence in your very clever AAR is a mere driveby, but I would be amiss to miss your summation of The Annual Halloween Party adventures. Always a delight. Like a commentator said on the previous page, you annually attend Halloween parties that far outshine any I have attended. Well done,

Now, back to the war.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 4:05:31 PM

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Also driving by. I needed a good laugh, and this AAR never fails to deliver!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 5:43:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

You know, you turn your back on this thread and...poof...it's on the second page! What's new with the war, Cap?

I suspect our heroes are engaged in top secret, and delicate negotiations with M & M Enterprises, Tropical Division, for the long term lease of some floating coral reefs to add to their current stock of floating steel reefs. There is probably some hard ball negotiating over the colour arrangement required for camouflage. Also awfully difficult to find some hard points for the attachment of guns. Not to mention the difficulty in obtaining the necessary positive environmental impact statement within the DOD defence budget.

Alfred

Yes, all that is true, especially the hero part, but it also took a few days to get the turn back and, even worse, Stalker Girl had a day off and downloaded a Kim Kardashian sex tape she found on the Web. Santa Maria! The effect on my Saving the World time was worse than a new copy of Cosmopolitan. Evidently, I remind her somehow of the guy in the tape. Now I know how all those Al Quaeda high value operatives felt.....in terms of sleep deprivation, I mean.

I find the whole thing ironic. She complained that I downloaded Firefox on her computer as a safer navigator and then she downloads stuff like that.

I will look back over the posts and try to find out where we are in the story.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/10/2011 5:53:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

You know, you turn your back on this thread and...poof...it's on the second page! What's new with the war, Cap?

I suspect our heroes are engaged in top secret, and delicate negotiations with M & M Enterprises, Tropical Division, for the long term lease of some floating coral reefs to add to their current stock of floating steel reefs. There is probably some hard ball negotiating over the colour arrangement required for camouflage. Also awfully difficult to find some hard points for the attachment of guns. Not to mention the difficulty in obtaining the necessary positive environmental impact statement within the DOD defence budget.

Alfred

Yes, all that is true, especially the hero part, but it also took a few days to get the turn back and, even worse, Stalker Girl had a day off and downloaded a Kim Kardashian sex tape she found on the Web. Santa Maria! The effect on my Saving the World time was worse than a new copy of Cosmopolitan. Evidently, I remind her somehow of the guy in the tape. Now I know how all those Al Quaeda high value operatives felt.....in terms of sleep deprivation, I mean.

I find the whole thing ironic. She complained that I downloaded Firefox on her computer as a safer navigator and then she downloads stuff like that.

I will look back over the posts and try to find out where we are in the story.

Wow!

Kardashian gettin' it on with Casey Kasem? I'll have to look for that video.

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With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/10/2011 5:56:04 PM

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*************Command Post, 1st Hottentot Lancers, East Africa Brigade, Port Hedalnd, October 27, 1942**********

Sargeant: Yes bwana. Zebra shileds no stop Jap mortars. Go right through.

Rupert: Right through, you say? Interesting how this parallels the technological advances in armour and anti-tank guns in North Africa against the Jerries. It is a technological war we find ourselves in, sargeant. You can tell your grandchildren that 1st Hottentot was the first Bn to upgrade to double Zebra.

Sargeant: Double Zebra, bwana?

Rupert: Yes, sargeant, double Zebra. Nothing too good for the men under my command, I always say. Run along now and see what 102nd Engineers have. Tell them we will trade them 1 dozen Bren carriers for 800 Grade A Zebra skins.

Sargeant: Yes bwana. <salutes and exits>

Rupert: <looks at watch> Bloody Hell! ORDERLY, WHERE IS MY DARJEELING?

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 1:53:52 PM

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African Pongoes in Oz

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 4:07:12 PM

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They must be sappers...no Zebra shields.

It really does look like Port Hedland...there is a eucalyptus tree.

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 4:23:03 PM

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*******October 28, 1942************

Oz: JJ had a group with heavy escort and possibly at least one troopship 240 N of PH, heading SW. We sent a 3 DD group in toward PH as scout/ASW and a heavy bombardment force (South Dakota and North Carolina) behind them. The DD force ran into Hyuga and escorts and did well.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 57,128, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Oite, Shell hits 1
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yukaze
DD Sanae

Allied Ships
DD Shaw, Shell hits 2
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Fortune

The bombardment group either got cold feet or stopped for some fishing and did not reach PH. Instead they got hit by Vals and Kates (probably from Broome). North Carolina was hit by 4 bombs but appears only lightly damaged. The LRCAP of P-38's from Carnavon was only 3 aircraft. Mutsu and Furutaka appear to be guarding a transport group with some minelayers. This group was hit by B-25's from Meekathara and Hudsons from Carnavon. One minelayer was hit. Raids on LYB ground troops at PH caused hundreds of casualties but a planned raid of all the B-17's on Broome got scrubbed. Wyndham was hit fairly well by B-24's.

Also, on the 27th, a Jap CV group was spotted by Admiral Lord Sprior 600 m West of Perth.

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 5:49:03 PM

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Also, on the 27th, a Jap CV group was spotted by Admiral Lord Sprior 600 m West of Perth.

Maybe you can nip them in the bud.

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 5:50:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

*******October 28, 1942************

Oz: JJ had a group with heavy escort and possibly at least one troopship 240 N of PH, heading SW. We sent a 3 DD group in toward PH as scout/ASW and a heavy bombardment force (South Dakota and North Carolina) behind them. The DD force ran into Hyuga and escorts and did well.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 57,128, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Oite, Shell hits 1
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yukaze
DD Sanae

Allied Ships
DD Shaw, Shell hits 2
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Fortune

The bombardment group either got cold feet or stopped for some fishing and did not reach PH. Instead they got hit by Vals and Kates (probably from Broome). North Carolina was hit by 4 bombs but appears only lightly damaged. The LRCAP of P-38's from Carnavon was only 3 aircraft. Mutsu and Furutaka appear to be guarding a transport group with some minelayers. This group was hit by B-25's from Meekathara and Hudsons from Carnavon. One minelayer was hit. Raids on LYB ground troops at PH caused hundreds of casualties but a planned raid of all the B-17's on Broome got scrubbed. Wyndham was hit fairly well by B-24's.

Also, on the 27th, a Jap CV group was spotted by Admiral Lord Sprior 600 m West of Perth.

You are aware of the restrictions in USAAF (or IJAAF) air units flying LRCAP over naval units, right? Count on them providing miserable coverage if you use them in this capacity.

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 8:16:42 PM

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Also, on the 27th, a Jap CV group was spotted by Admiral Lord Sprior 600 m West of Perth.

Maybe you can nip them in the bud.

We're more the quick-kick-in-the-cobblers-and-run-away kind of guys.

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 8:18:01 PM

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It really does look like Port Hedland

Why wouldn't it?

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 8:19:23 PM

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You are aware of the restrictions in USAAF (or IJAAF) air units flying LRCAP over naval units, right?

Er, yes?

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 9:34:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

*******October 28, 1942************

Oz: JJ had a group with heavy escort and possibly at least one troopship 240 N of PH, heading SW. We sent a 3 DD group in toward PH as scout/ASW and a heavy bombardment force (South Dakota and North Carolina) behind them. The DD force ran into Hyuga and escorts and did well.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 57,128, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Oite, Shell hits 1
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yukaze
DD Sanae

Allied Ships
DD Shaw, Shell hits 2
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Fortune

The bombardment group either got cold feet or stopped for some fishing and did not reach PH. Instead they got hit by Vals and Kates (probably from Broome). North Carolina was hit by 4 bombs but appears only lightly damaged. The LRCAP of P-38's from Carnavon was only 3 aircraft. Mutsu and Furutaka appear to be guarding a transport group with some minelayers. This group was hit by B-25's from Meekathara and Hudsons from Carnavon. One minelayer was hit. Raids on LYB ground troops at PH caused hundreds of casualties but a planned raid of all the B-17's on Broome got scrubbed. Wyndham was hit fairly well by B-24's.

Also, on the 27th, a Jap CV group was spotted by Admiral Lord Sprior 600 m West of Perth.

You are aware of the restrictions in USAAF (or IJAAF) air units flying LRCAP over naval units, right? Count on them providing miserable coverage if you use them in this capacity.

I'm pretty sure this reduced effectiveness is only when flying LRCAP over CV TF's. Pretend I've read the manual but have a memory leak.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 11/12/2011 9:51:06 PM

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Not sure that's worth the time or effort at this point, mate.

Incidentally, what's the 35th Chinese corps doing in the middle of Australia? Oi!

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 9:56:27 PM

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It really does look like Port Hedland

Why wouldn't it?

There's grass and a tree, nothing like Port Hedland.

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RE: With 1st Hottentot Lancers - 11/12/2011 10:29:49 PM

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You are aware of the restrictions in USAAF (or IJAAF) air units flying LRCAP over naval units, right?

Er, yes?

Good. Based upon the Cap'n's comments above, he seemed unimpressed by the CAP of only 3 P-38s over your naval forces. This would be more the expectation rather than the exception, IMO.

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