Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

...is there a fragment left on the island?

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ORIGINAL: pompack

They starved

In order to prevent this (or at least most of it) I find this usually works.

D Day: Land the landing force

D+1: A. Assign the entire original amph force to pick up landing force
D+1: B. Assign the Supply TF to begin landing supplies (the number of ships is significant, the size of the ships really doesn't matter)
D+1: C. Land at least 100 Naval support per division equivilent in the Landing force; be sure there is enough sea lift to land all of them in one turn

D+2-3: Starvation sets in

D+4: Hopefully enough of the landing force has re-embarked that some supplies begin to accumulate and starvation ends

D+5: Begin landing the support force (DB, engineers, Base force, etc)

D+7: With a little luck the last survivor of the initial landing force is re-embarked

If you can use AKA, APA, and LST it helps a lot getting them re-embarked.

Note that if you did not take the atoll on the original assault you are really and truly screwed

EDIT: Note that anyone who did not disembark on D-Day should NOT be unloaded; OTOH any ship that contains a fragment will not switch to loading troops. If you fail to get everyone off the first day, plan on bringing a lot of additional, empty ships to help the re-embarkation.

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ORIGINAL: ADB123

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ORIGINAL: pompack

They starved

In order to prevent this (or at least most of it) I find this usually works.

D Day: Land the landing force

D+1: A. Assign the entire original amph force to pick up landing force
D+1: B. Assign the Supply TF to begin landing supplies (the number of ships is significant, the size of the ships really doesn't matter)
D+1: C. Land at least 100 Naval support per division equivilent in the Landing force; be sure there is enough sea lift to land all of them in one turn

D+2-3: Starvation sets in

D+4: Hopefully enough of the landing force has re-embarked that some supplies begin to accumulate and starvation ends

D+5: Begin landing the support force (DB, engineers, Base force, etc)

D+7: With a little luck the last survivor of the initial landing force is re-embarked

If you can use AKA, APA, and LST it helps a lot getting them re-embarked.

Note that if you did not take the atoll on the original assault you are really and truly screwed

EDIT: Note that anyone who did not disembark on D-Day should NOT be unloaded; OTOH any ship that contains a fragment will not switch to loading troops. If you fail to get everyone off the first day, plan on bringing a lot of additional, empty ships to help the re-embarkation.

Am I the only one who reads this and thinks, "There is something very, very wrong with this picture"?

It's not that you are doing anything wrong, Pompak, but it seems to me that we shouldn't have to do those sorts of things in order to invade an atoll.

How often did US troops starve during and after they did invasions during WW II?

Beyond that, has the atoll invasion model been made exceedingly difficult for reasons that have nothing to do with reality?

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How often did US troops starve during and after they did invasions during WW II?

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ORIGINAL: pompack

They starved

In order to prevent this (or at least most of it) I find this usually works.

D Day: Land the landing force

D+1: A. Assign the entire original amph force to pick up landing force
D+1: B. Assign the Supply TF to begin landing supplies (the number of ships is significant, the size of the ships really doesn't matter)
D+1: C. Land at least 100 Naval support per division equivalent in the Landing force; be sure there is enough sea lift to land all of them in one turn

D+2-3: Starvation sets in

D+4: Hopefully enough of the landing force has re-embarked that some supplies begin to accumulate and starvation ends

D+5: Begin landing the support force (DB, engineers, Base force, etc)

D+7: With a little luck the last survivor of the initial landing force is re-embarked

If you can use AKA, APA, and LST it helps a lot getting them re-embarked.

Note that if you did not take the atoll on the original assault you are really and truly screwed

EDIT: Note that anyone who did not disembark on D-Day should NOT be unloaded; OTOH any ship that contains a fragment will not switch to loading troops. If you fail to get everyone off the first day, plan on bringing a lot of additional, empty ships to help the re-embarkation.

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ORIGINAL: pompack

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How often did US troops starve during and after they did invasions during WW II?

Very true, but how often did anyone try to land 20,000+ troops on an atoll only slighly larger than a city park duck pond? The rule is a quite artificial artifact to prevent people landing enormous forces onto atolls where there would literally be standing room only. A search (if the search function worked of course) of the original WitP forum would show any number of threads that actually computed the square feet (meters) per soldier for atoll invasions documented in the AAR's. The AE code might have been structured to put a counter on every invasion to stop any further landings after a limit was reached; the angry posts after failed invasions would have swamped the forum. Instead AE incorporated this rather clever rule to prevent this.

So no, few American soldiers starved on Pacific atolls but no one every tried to load an atoll with so many troops that there was no place to stack supplies either. It's a game compromise.

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ORIGINAL: ADB123


Am I the only one who reads this and thinks, "There is something very, very wrong with this picture"?

It's not that you are doing anything wrong, Pompak, but it seems to me that we shouldn't have to do those sorts of things in order to invade an atoll.

How often did US troops starve during and after they did invasions during WW II?

Beyond that, has the atoll invasion model been made exceedingly difficult for reasons that have nothing to do with reality?

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ORIGINAL: pompack

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How often did US troops starve during and after they did invasions during WW II?

Very true, but how often did anyone try to land 20,000+ troops on an atoll only slighly larger than a city park duck pond? The rule is a quite artificial artifact to prevent people landing enormous forces onto atolls where there would literally be standing room only. A search (if the search function worked of course) of the original WitP forum would show any number of threads that actually computed the square feet (meters) per soldier for atoll invasions documented in the AAR's. The AE code might have been structured to put a counter on every invasion to stop any further landings after a limit was reached; the angry posts after failed invasions would have swamped the forum. Instead AE incorporated this rather clever rule to prevent this.

So no, few American soldiers starved on Pacific atolls but no one every tried to load an atoll with so many troops that there was no place to stack supplies either. It's a game compromise.

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ORIGINAL: ADB123

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ORIGINAL: pompack

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How often did US troops starve during and after they did invasions during WW II?

Very true, but how often did anyone try to land 20,000+ troops on an atoll only slighly larger than a city park duck pond? The rule is a quite artificial artifact to prevent people landing enormous forces onto atolls where there would literally be standing room only. A search (if the search function worked of course) of the original WitP forum would show any number of threads that actually computed the square feet (meters) per soldier for atoll invasions documented in the AAR's. The AE code might have been structured to put a counter on every invasion to stop any further landings after a limit was reached; the angry posts after failed invasions would have swamped the forum. Instead AE incorporated this rather clever rule to prevent this.

So no, few American soldiers starved on Pacific atolls but no one every tried to load an atoll with so many troops that there was no place to stack supplies either. It's a game compromise.

So in summary, we've got an artificial situation set up by the Devs in response to a problem in WitP that the good and smart players in AE now have equally artificial ways to work-around.
Hmmm...

Okay, I get the message...

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ORIGINAL: Sredni

I just meant the limit, not the actual number on the island . Once you've taken an island you can see the stacking limit in the base screen, but when it's in enemy hands you're reduced to trying to find the table in the manual with stacking limits.

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ORIGINAL: Sredni

I just meant the limit, not the actual number on the island . Once you've taken an island you can see the stacking limit in the base screen, but when it's in enemy hands you're reduced to trying to find the table in the manual with stacking limits.