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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Welcome to the wonderful world of Japanese economics.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
Therefore the TBO_YTA ia the number needed to make ALL of the due reinforcements up to full strength, and whats called 'Reinforcements' in tracker is just to reinforce exisitng untits to replace combat losses.

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I don't know. Damian will have to answer that question.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Welcome to the wonderful world of Japanese economics.

No wonder they lost the war


Re: 2. Upgrade the unit to a different type of plane - is this a cunning trick you old timers employ to try and rationalise production by cutting down the number of models researched/produced and free up factories for rushing other planes


Any info on the EDIT in my previous post or is that one for Damian as well? An example here is the K5Y1 Willow which has TBO_YTA of 3(1152) on a turn 1 Dec 7th start.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

Re: 2. Upgrade the unit to a different type of plane - is this a cunning trick you old timers employ to try and rationalise production by cutting down the number of models researched/produced and free up factories for rushing other planes

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Historically, the IJ was trying to field a LOT of new bombers and other types (I think 89 or so models!!!). Monday morning quarterback teaches you that better fighters are critical. Bombers less so. Others even less.

In the end it doesn't matter that much though because VOLUME matters even more.

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
Therefore the TBO_YTA ia the number needed to make ALL of the due reinforcements up to full strength, and whats called 'Reinforcements' in tracker is just to reinforce exisitng untits to replace combat losses.

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I don't know. Damian will have to answer that question.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz


Still trying to get things clear in my own mind - my problem is that i can follow the math but often not the terminology used as i haven't played the game very much. So to make sure i understand things this is how i read what you have said.

TBA.YTA
Looking at TBA.YTA - lets assume there is only one group of airplane reinforcement i.e. due to arrive at a date in the future (a delayed group) e.g.

A group is due to arrive in the future with 2 planes but its max size is 27, therefore TBA.YTA = 25(27).

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However if a second group of the same plane type arrives on a carrier then these planes are counted as freebies. So if its a full group of 36 then the combined TBA.YTA would be 25(63).

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So from this we know we need to build 25 planes to fill our groups, though will need more to cover combat and ops losses.

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We also know that in total we will have 63 planes of which we don't need to build 38. I'm not sure why we need these numbers though, other than the overall total of 63 is perhaps a guide to how many planes we might want to build to cover combat losses?

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One other question on this - is it just carrier planes that are freebies?

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REINFORCEMENTS
In your example above you have figures of 7(29).
The 7 means that from all the plane units on the map i have suffered 7 losses so i need 7 builds to cover replacements.

However i am still confused as to what the (29) refers to. What is the "Total group need" of 29 and what is the "Reserve" of 22? Where do these figures come from?

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K5Y1 Willow
I think you are saying that there are 1149 freebies?

many thanks

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


I don't know about that, but it could be a side effect. IJ decisions had a lot of political baggage associated with them, and they did not have a well defined decision tree. I have no baggage and my decision tree is pretty well established as is most players.

Example: Sally vs Helen. IRL the Sally was produced throughout the war. Most players convert to the Helen when the armored version is available. Players believe conserving experienced pilots to be important. It took a long time for the IJA to come to the same conclusion. I'm not saving any model production here, both get produced.

Example: Rushing planes. As compared to history, most players focus on a few models to research early. Experience (hindsight) has taught them that fighters are particularly important. Historically, the IJ was trying to field a LOT of new bombers and other types (I think 89 or so models!!!). Monday morning quarterback teaches you that better fighters are critical. Bombers less so. Others even less.

In the end it doesn't matter that much though because VOLUME matters even more.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

In the end it doesn't matter that much though because VOLUME matters even more.

Thanks Pax, interesting info. Will work on this when i start my first game.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
n01487477

I have had a go looking into where tracker gets it numbers to try and test my understanding. However there is one bit, TBO.YTA, that i can't figure out (assuming i extracted the correct data from the game). See pic below.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
n01487477

I have had a go looking into where tracker gets it numbers to try and test my understanding. However there is one bit, TBO.YTA, that i can't figure out (assuming i extracted the correct data from the game). See pic below.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
n01487477

I have had a go looking into where tracker gets it numbers to try and test my understanding. However there is one bit, TBO.YTA, that i can't figure out (assuming i extracted the correct data from the game). See pic below.

Time to start calling me Damian by now ;-)

Nice chart by the way!

Just look at the 40th Ku T-2.
max size - (total+active+damaged+res) = -2
Max size = 6

Cheers
[edit]shoho is a CV grp - I don't count them in TBO.

TBO.YTA
   The first figure is the future build you need to make in order to fill out delayed
   airgroups (i.e. future reinforcement airgroups) to their full size once they arrive,
   i.e. by letting the new unit take replacements.

   The figure in brackets represents the future maximum airgroup size of all delayed 
   airgroups.  i.e. total number of aircraft if all units were at full strength

   HOWEVER neither figure includes:
     * upgrades (e.g. if you upgrade another model to the one in question)
     * airgroups that you may upgrade after arrival (e.g. if an airgroup arrives of 
       size 2 with a maximum size of 9 that would be 7 less you would have to build
     * airgroups that arrive on a CV

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ORIGINAL: sanderz
Hi Damian

I had figured where the tracker figures came from, didn't realise about CV groups not being included.

So to sum up the various points you have made about TBO.YTA over several posts the noob friendly definition seems to be something like:

TBO.YTA
   The first figure is the future build you need to make in order to fill out delayed
   airgroups (i.e. future reinforcement airgroups) to their full size once they arrive,
   i.e. by letting the new unit take replacements.

   The figure in brackets represents the future maximum airgroup size of all delayed 
   airgroups.  i.e. total number of aircraft if all units were at full strength

   HOWEVER neither figure includes:
     * upgrades (e.g. if you upgrade another model to the one in question)
     * airgroups that you may upgrade after arrival (e.g. if an airgroup arrives of 
       size 2 with a maximum size of 9 that would be 7 less you would have to build
     * airgroups that arrive on a CV

Its a slow process but i think i'm gradually getting there

Many thanks

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ORIGINAL: icepharmy

Do engines advance separately from airframes? I understand that 1 R&D advance needs 1 R&D engine of the right type.

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In RA3 for example both the Judy and its engine the Aichi 60 appear at 42/10 with no research allocated. But lets say for example I want to advance both by a month.
Would that mean I need 100 R&D airframes plus 100 Aichi engines AND an additional 100 Aichi engines for the engine to move forward at the same rate as the airframe?

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Another example (and more important in this case) is the Nakajima Ha-45. Lets say I want to move the george from 43/5 to 43/3. That would mean that I would have to move the engine forward from 43/9 to 43/3. Would that mean I have to build enough Ha45 engines to get 200 engines just for the george advancement, plus X amount of engines to match R&D airframes for Franks,Frances,Peggys and 600 PLUS Ha-45 on top of those requirements?

If this is the way it works, then I would probably also need even more then the above numbers of extra engines, as die rolls mean not every 100 will produce a 1 month advance

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So say you get all the George factories repaired by 11/42, giving you 4 months to produce 200 points for the 2 months advance. You'd need 200/4 = 50 points/mth = 30(0) + 20(0)

Whereas the engine factory can be 50(0) IIRC see *1* above. I will double check this with a test later to ease my mind.
[edit]Tested and I was incorrect, you'd need a 30(0) and a 20(0) engine factories too.
Cheers

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Whereas the engine factory can be 50(0) IIRC see *1* above. I will double check this with a test later to ease my mind.
[edit]Tested and I was incorrect, you'd need a 30(0) and a 20(0) engine factories too.
Cheers

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ORIGINAL: icepharmy

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So say you get all the George factories repaired by 11/42, giving you 4 months to produce 200 points for the 2 months advance. You'd need 200/4 = 50 points/mth = 30(0) + 20(0)

Whereas the engine factory can be 50(0) IIRC see *1* above. I will double check this with a test later to ease my mind.
[edit]Tested and I was incorrect, you'd need a 30(0) and a 20(0) engine factories too.
Cheers

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Whereas the engine factory can be 50(0) IIRC see *1* above. I will double check this with a test later to ease my mind.
[edit]Tested and I was incorrect, you'd need a 30(0) and a 20(0) engine factories too.
Cheers

Ah thanks for the exhaustive answer and even testing it . Just one simple clarification: Since R&D engine factories repair 1 point per turn regardless of how far the date is,

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and produce engines/points even when not fully repaired(like regular airframe factories)

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, then until your R&D airframe factories are fully repaired, the engines produced in your already working engine factories will all go into the advancement date cumulative for the engine only.

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To get 1 point towards airframe advancement you need 1 engine/1 airframe produced in the same turn.

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

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ORIGINAL: icepharmy

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Huh? Sorry I don't get it...

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To get 1 point towards airframe advancement you need 1 engine/1 airframe produced in the same turn.

R&D is not linked between the two, they are separate entities.

Sorry, used to play a lot of Bombing the Reich, where an A/C or R&D A/C only got produced/ researched when 1 each of assembly/engine/parts was produced . The word airframe made me think assembly, when I should just think aircraft.

(in reply to sanderz)

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

Hi

In the document there is a section on Air Production with some suggestions as to what to turn off or increase.  Trying to get my head around whats best to do (PDU on).

For the A6M5 Zero you change it to the A6M3 Zero which is fair enough as with the other factory you have 2 x 30 R&D.  Is the thinking here that you will just change the factories over to the new models on their standard arrival dates and that it is more important to have the A6M3 early than the A6M5?

I see the A6M5c has armour (though at the expense of other stats) - does this armour make this plane a lot better than the standad A6M5.  If not i can see why that would be another reason not to rush the A6M5.

Also - is it worth rushing the Sen Baku (which is the upgrade to the A6M2) as it upgrades to the A6M5b and i'm assuming there will be a large number of the old A6M2 still around? 


thanks

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

EDIT - Why increase the Ki44-iia Tojo, there are no new airgroups and nothing upgrades to it as far as i can see - what am i missing here? Or is it that whilst nothing is on the upgrade path you can convert other planes (the Oscar?) to it?

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

Hi

In the document there is a section on Air Production with some suggestions as to what to turn off or increase.  Trying to get my head around whats best to do (PDU on).

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For the A6M5 Zero you change it to the A6M3 Zero which is fair enough as with the other factory you have 2 x 30 R&D.  Is the thinking here that you will just change the factories over to the new models on their standard arrival dates and that it is more important to have the A6M3 early than the A6M5?

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I see the A6M5c has armour (though at the expense of other stats) - does this armour make this plane a lot better than the standard A6M5.  If not i can see why that would be another reason not to rush the A6M5.

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Also - is it worth rushing the Sen Baku (which is the upgrade to the A6M2) as it upgrades to the A6M5b and i'm assuming there will be a large number of the old A6M2 still around? 

thanks

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There is no damage or cost associated with moving a fully repaired R&D facility to the next upgrade option as defined by the editor. The advantage with non-realistic is that fully repaired production plants can be moved along this path at no cost too.
Which is why building the A6M2, and then switching it to the Baku and then the M5b is a good option for non-realistic(straight away), but can’t be achieved with realistic R&D.

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ORIGINAL: sanderz

Another question on the document.

"So turn everything off, except those that are currently building and then we’ll (you’ll) determine what you want. The purple and blue graphic will tell you that turning off all those merchants give you a HI windfall."


By turning off "everything except those building" i assume you mean just the "Queued" ships. But if i do this none of the figures at the top of the screen change. I can't see how i am saving any HI.

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However, if i accelerate these queued ships then the "calculated points" does change, it increases by 1 x Durability.

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Also, where in Tracker is the "Ship delay and HI graph"?

What am I missing here?

Many thanks