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ORIGINAL: Cauldyth

That seems like an odd implementation of war. What it would mean is that the victor in the war has won the right to buy the conquered territory off of the loser. That doesn't reflect any real world war that has ever happened.

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ORIGINAL: Cauldyth

You misunderstood my post, which was in response to HectorOfTroy, not to you. My point is the same as yours - in war, the victor generally takes whatever they want. The loser doesn't continue fighting on until adequately compensated for the territory they've lost.

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ORIGINAL: HectorOfTroy

Yes victor takes what they want, that's correct. But I want us to avoid a system where we can declare war, colonise a planet and then quickly sue for peace and keep the planet. What's the point of territories if we can do that.

That's why I was saying, if you declare war and take a planet, the race from which you took it will not accept the peace unless you return the planet or swap it for another or pay large amount for it.

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ORIGINAL: WiZz

Sorry, but I can't still imagine how my people agree to colonize under treat of enemy fire or conquer.

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ORIGINAL: Nedrear

Would a roleplaying democracy attack them to steal their territory?

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ORIGINAL: HectorOfTroy

Well then all we have to do is:
- declare war;
- colonise as many of the enemy's planets we wannt;
- sue for peace and voila we have multiple new planets (plus if we are powerful we can make the weak empire also pay us tribute to obtain that peace);
- improve our rep by killing pirates and sending small gifts to others;

I personally would not like the game to turn out this way;

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ORIGINAL: elliotg

Hi all

Appreciate the feedback on this feature. The current implementation operates as designed: you cannot colonize in another empire's territory, even when at war.

However we plan to alter this in the next update to allow colonization in another empire's territory, but only when at war with them.

Thanks
Elliot

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ORIGINAL: ehsumrell1
1. Every scenario one can muster up, either political (in reality, Gaza Strip for one, Cuban missile crisis for another), galactic(in fiction, Star Trek Regional boundaries - i.e Neutral Zone, Star Wars boundaries - i.e. Coruscant sector, Babylon-5 boundaries - i.e. Vorlon space, Shadow territory) we
could go on, has a way to identify territory.
2. If you and your adjoining neighbors house had a visible fence between you, and your neighbor kept
dumping his leaves on YOUR side of the fence and leaving them there, how would YOU feel about it?
3. How do you feel when (as I've seen a few times reported in this forum) you start a new game and
there is another race's homeworld in your sector, or even the same system?

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ORIGINAL: feelotraveller

Dare I suggest though, that perhaps everyone can be satisfied by having this as a checkbox toggle? "Allow colonisation of hostile territory when at war."

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ORIGINAL: HectorOfTroy

Ehsumrell, so what do you think about whole 'declaring war then colonising' issue?

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ORIGINAL: ehsumrell1
I see Elliot progressing to that to provide a happy medium. My opinion though is that if
you choose to invade a world in another's sphere of influence there should be either war
declared on you, or at the very least, heavy, severe sanctions of some sort. If it is
just an uncolonized planet that you're after, then a large reputation hit should be issued.
If the reduction lowers your rating below a certain amount, then a blockade should be applied
by the offended empire.

I'm beginning to wonder if one of two things could sooth this dilemma though.
1.) Add to diplomacy some form of Non-Aggression Pact which deals with this subject, something
similar to the mining rights that are in the game.
2.) Some form of toggle on/off similar to what feelotraveller just stated.
Those are my opinions!

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As for me I don't understand need of this border system entirely. Let's think, how can enemy empire stop my miners and colonizers if opponent doesn't have any military in a system?
In my opinion, border system must work in that way: AI or I can ALWAYS mine, colonize, build a station at the planet in the opponent spheres of influence but with a large diplomatic/reputation penalty. If I/AI attack enemy/my miner or colonizer in my/his own system I/AI get no penalty to my/his reputation. Only relations with attacked empires break down.

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I not sure what Ed thinks but I'm against the declaring war and then colonising mechanic, and hope that Elliot and Erik change their minds and leave it the way it is currently.

In MY space universe to grab one of those nice worlds within the sphere of influence of another colonised system you must first remove the administrative centre of the other empire by conquering or exterminating them. They can't project their influence and you can then colonise.

Dare I suggest though, that perhaps everyone can be satisfied by having this as a checkbox toggle? "Allow colonisation of hostile territory when at war."

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ORIGINAL: WiZz

I think, it is wrong point of view. How can the sphere of influence of my enemy prevent my colonization in real? Or do you think, that the sphere of influence build iron walls around all planet in range?

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ORIGINAL: WiZz

Ok, artificial and strange restrictions are very fun... 

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Where is fun in declaring the war, taking the planet and then get a peace deal?

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After all, we are playing a GAME set in space where we wage wars with aliens. We want a fun game, not a relistic one which is not fun to play.

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ORIGINAL: WiZz

Ok, throw away reality. But, in a good game all actions must be logical.

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Where is fun in declaring the war, taking the planet and then get a peace deal?

Do you see logic in this actions? I don't.

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After all, we are playing a GAME set in space where we wage wars with aliens. We want a fun game, not a relistic one which is not fun to play.

[OFFTOPIC]Yes, we talk about a GAME. But when I first looked on Distant worlds I had seen a REALISTIC game.
Firstly, it was REALTIME. Were the most 4x strategies realtime all the time? I can remember no one, except Sins of the solar empire.
Secondary, I found an excellent astrophysical model with different types MOBILE planets.
Thirdly, I found a smart AI and an interesting economical model.
So when you told me that DW isn't realistic game I disagree with you.[/OFFTOPIC]

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ORIGINAL: WiZz

I have colonized planet in enemy territory, relations with enemy are breaking down. But I propose monetary gift or technology as compensation. Relations are up. An incident is closed. All sides are satisfied. Is it real and logic scenario, or not?