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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 12:49:28 AM

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+1 YeeeeeeeHawwwwwww

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:11:08 AM

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Any thoughts why rader has so many units broken down??

As far as I know, all its doing is increasing the unit count, great masirovska until they start getting bombed.

I also believe that it hurts in combat in that larger units get hurt slower.

As to the result of the Invasion, IMVHO, You will get ashore, I dont think the IJA is strong enough to kick you out, or that you will be strong enough to move further than the northern end of Honshu.

Dont listen to any of those Rebel dudes, they think Gettysburg and Sharpsburg were succesful invasions!

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:24:49 AM

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Dont listen to any of those Rebel dudes, they think Gettysburg and Sharpsburg were succesful invasions!

This may look a lot like Sharpsburg. 2 heavyweights standing toe to toe just slugging it out with lots of damage. This is going to be a big furball. lots of sunk ships me thinks, and the big ones!

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 2:11:31 AM

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Any thoughts why rader has so many units broken down??

As far as I know, all its doing is increasing the unit count, great masirovska until they start getting bombed.

I also believe that it hurts in combat in that larger units get hurt slower.

As to the result of the Invasion, IMVHO, You will get ashore, I dont think the IJA is strong enough to kick you out, or that you will be strong enough to move further than the northern end of Honshu.

Dont listen to any of those Rebel dudes, they think Gettysburg and Sharpsburg were succesful invasions!

At least if not one of the most recent beta patches changed anything, breakdown of units have at least the following effect:

Advantage:
- Faster replacements (as every part drawns own replacements (I tripple checked that with tracker and at least with the m patches it still worked that way (3x the replacements)))
- Faster recovery of disabled squads (but i am no longer sure if that works any more. At least in the recent betas it seems that the /A recovers the most. I did not check if the actual recovery is still higher than without splitting.)

Disadvantage:
- Easier to kill and disabled the parts than if combined into a division during combat. For some "strange" reason small units tend to be hit with highes priority during combat. Might have changed. Conducted a test some time ago with 3 divisions and 3 bdes defending a base. After some combat rounds without retreating the 3 bdes where almost killed and the divisions only suffered around 15 disabled squads each.

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"Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 2:21:32 AM

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Here we are guys...our shippings have been ordered to leave Bihoro...tomorrow we'll hit the shores of Kushiro, under the greatest CAP Umbrella the allies have ever had...We'll also bomb Ominato to keep the AF closed and Hacinoe, to disable some more of those pesky CD guns...so in 4 days (2 turns) we'll know the fate of the greatest landing operation ever tried in human history...

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 2:23:40 AM

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I have great faith in you GJ. That second TF should be getting close also. You will need it.

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 2:30:05 AM

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Here we are guys...our shippings have been ordered to leave Bihoro...tomorrow we'll hit the shores of Kushiro, under the greatest CAP Umbrella the allies have ever had...We'll also bomb Ominato to keep the AF closed and Hacinoe, to disable some more of those pesky CD guns...so in 4 days (2 turns) we'll know the fate of the greatest landing operation ever tried in human history...

Valar Morghulis

May the force be with you.

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 3:07:12 AM

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What could possibly go wrong?

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 4:15:50 AM

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Valar Morghulis, indeed, Ser Greyjoy.......but, first the LYBs and then, decades later, quietly asleep in our beds, we will join them with a sadistic sneer on our faces. Where ever we go, when the vanquished LYBs see us approaching, they shall run for the deepest depths of hell to escape thy fearful symestry.

Forward...... to glory!

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 5:27:02 AM

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[Hands rubbed to the bone in anticipation.] It hurts to see those DMSs get expended like that. Like beppi said, use some of your YMSs.

Speaking of YMSs, on Korean cable a couple of months ago "YMS-504 of the Navy" was playing, so I had to watch. It's a 1963 Korean flick with horrible special and sound effects, but kinda cool nevertheless to see one of those tubs in action, firing that 20 mike mike against the evil North Korean patrol boat. I suppose at the time of the Korean War it was one of the top fleet units of ROKN.

Back to topic, I would not bet against GreyJoy at this point. I think he'll succeed and even eventually take Tokyo if we get that far (think Inchon-like invasion behind the huge wall in the north).

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 7:54:47 AM

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Ozzie! Ozzie! Ozzie!, Oi! Oi! Oi!

Let loose the 75th Squadron and the enemy will crumble! Then home for tea and bickies (or a beer or two).

Cheers

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 8:58:12 AM

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heh, i'm currently reading a rather good book by David Fischer, "Washington's Crossing", where the author expands the military maxim "plans don't survive 1st contact w/ the enemy" to include "nor do they survive 1st contact w/ one's friends." Also, teh weather will screw you every time.

GW committed his troops to a surprise crossing of the Delaware at Trenton, while of his 2nd & 3rd guys (MGENs Lee & Gates, one had just been captured & t'other was busy moaning to Congress. GW planned 3 add'l crossings further down the Delaware to pin enemy forces, 2-1/2 of those were defeated by local weather.

so, GW had to push forward w/ what he had under his immediate control, the watchword was 'Victory or Death'.

fortunately for us here in the commentariat, ser GJ need not worry 'bout his friends diverting his attack or back-stabbing him in the cellblocks of the Pentagon planning-dungeons!

The man has assembled his bestest shot & is committed to his objective - let's roll!

(damn this'll be fun to watch)

i hope GJ will post full combat-reports - i want to savor every moment of what i expect will be a full (but hard-fought) allied victory.

Valar Morghulis!

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 10:41:40 AM

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Sometimes I have to pinch myself to remember it is still 1944 and you are about to invade Honshu!! Fingers crossed GreyJoy whatever happens it has been a great ride.

I'm guessing you don't have much left in the other areas of the map it might still be a good idea to push in his perimeter as it should be fairly weak and it might just distract him.

I also still think it is worth you taking Wake and Marcus Islands as these would radically increase your search cover in the North Pacific and help detect KB raids.

Good Luck!

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RE: "Valar Morghulis" Reek said - 1/6/2012 12:39:42 PM

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 12:59:43 PM

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I know john....don't think i don't know that...but the game has run so mch further that i don't have any other option...bore him (and me and you) to death with a 2years long strat bombing campaign or try the impossible and have fun for all of us!.

Oh I agree. you could bomb him to death but whats the point? Frankly, if the whole thing fails you can still bomb him to death. I just don't know what we are all going to do when this game is over. Better we have G�tterd�mmerung ,then to be the test bed for fighter escort tweaks. To paraphrase The Princess Bride : "Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, you sunk my escort carriers, prepare to die!"

Yeah! Take it to a duel with him in front of the Imperial Palace with a US cavalry saber!

Personally I think Greyjoy will succeed, I know I may have near no or no ability to do so for this game but I like to make guesses. :) I didn't think so at first, but if he has 180 batallions I think he can at least manage to get a hold in the north, but that it will be many months before he breaks out. The Japanese have a mighty airforce and navy left, but I think Greyjoy will manage because his airforce and navy are strong enough to secure the passage of a sufficient number of units and disrupt the counterattacks as much as his invasion force is disrupted.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:19:22 PM

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eah! Take it to a duel with him in front of the Imperial Palace with a US cavalry saber!

Personally I think Greyjoy will succeed, I know I have near no or no ability to do so but I like to make guesses. :) I didn't think so at first, but if he has 180 batallions I think he can at least manage to get a hold in the north, but that it will be many months before he breaks out. The Japanese have a mighty airforce and navy left, but I think Greyjoy will manage because his airforce and navy are strong enough to secure the passage of a sufficient number of units and disrupt the counterattacks as much as his invasion force is disrupted.

I think it is over when GJ gets the second port. Once it becomes more than a single point defense the situation becomes impossible for Rader. His navy will be mostly gone, his airfoce will have to defend too many places. It will have to attack Navys, ground troops, airfileds, provide CAP and all the while defending industry against an air force that is getting closer and closer. Even if the invasion fails GJ can go back to bombing. The only way he can lose is for the invasion to fail and he losses all his carriers and with that the ability to supply and defend what he already has. Should be a hell of a ride though

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:19:30 PM

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You know if you were Rader you could almost get sigint from Greyjoys AAR by tracking the rate that it accumulates posts. Nothing specific but sudden spurt indicates something is about to happen.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:23:21 PM

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Wow. No update yet. GJ must actually be working today!

tic tac tic tac tic tac

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:25:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Itdepends

You know if you were Rader you could almost get sigint from Greyjoys AAR by tracking the rate that it accumulates posts. Nothing specific but sudden spurt indicates something is about to happen.

Or something should happen [bomb airfields, air production, manpower etc ]... or shoudn't happen

[like the avitar produced quite a bit of traffic something akin to the chatter produced in the United States around Patton slapping a soldier ..

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 1:38:33 PM

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When I was involved in my WitP game with John III, and the great Allied 1943 invasion of Hokkaido was on the way to the beaches, I specifically asked people not to post in my AAR so that John wouldn't notice a sudden increase in traffic and interest. The good folks of the forum obliged completely.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 2:25:56 PM

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Don't worry guys. Keep on posting if you like to! This AAR is for you, not for me.

However....slow turn...We bombed Ominato again and Hachinoe...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 19, 20 44
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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55

Allied Ships
     BB Queen Elizabeth
     BB Valiant

Japanese ground losses:
     66 casualties reported
        Squads: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Manpower hits 3
Fires 2863
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 10
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 2

BB Queen Elizabeth firing at Hachinohe
Walrus II acting as spotter for BB Valiant
BB Valiant firing at 32nd Division

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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

140 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BB Washington, Shell hits 1
     BC Renown, Shell hits 2
     CA Exeter
     CA Louisville, Shell hits 2
     CA Portland, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
     122 casualties reported
        Squads: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
        Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 14 (3 destroyed, 11 disabled)

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Washington
Combined 8th SNLF firing at BB Washington
BB Washington firing at Combined 8th SNLF
BC Renown firing at Combined 8th SNLF
Combined 8th SNLF firing at BC Renown
Walrus II acting as spotter for CA Exeter
CA Exeter firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CA Exeter
Combined 8th SNLF firing at CA Louisville
CA Louisville firing at Combined 8th SNLF
CA Portland firing at Combined 8th SNLF
Combined 8th SNLF firing at CA Portland

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Liberator B.III x 15
     Liberator B.VI x 42
     Wellington B.X x 14
     B-24D Liberator x 14
     B-24D1 Liberator x 18
     B-24J Liberator x 130
     B-25D1 Mitchell x 45
     B-25H Mitchell x 39
     B-25J1 Mitchell x 15
     B-29-1 Superfort x 124
     P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 10
     P-51B Mustang x 19
     PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24
     PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
     Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
     B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
     B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
     B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
     16 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 110
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 281

Rader has moved 2500 fighters at Tokyo...along with 2400 bombers

Ok, now the turn has been sent...we reached Kushiro and nothing happened.... tomorrow our ships will enter into the bay of Hachinoe...the tactical plan will be detailed as soon as the turn arrives...hope to get back to you with some good suprises and news...i really worked hard on this plan...

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 2:42:07 PM

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GJ - If you have a chance, a screen shot of your invasion TFs would be great to see.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 2:47:20 PM

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GJ - If you have a chance, a screen shot of your invasion TFs would be great to see.

I'm at office now...cannot do that. Hopefully tonight i should get back to you with the new turn and lots of screenshots

Hard to work with the fixed image of Hokkaido Map in your head....

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 2:48:29 PM

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Does your secretary look like your avatar?

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 3:02:37 PM

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Does your secretary look like your avatar?

Unfortunately not..she's fat, short with thin painted fake-red hair and in her middle 50s...but in springtime 2012, if things keep on going smoothly, i may be able to get a personal secretary (the one we have now "belongs" to the firm)...and boy, you can bet your life insurance that i'll take a young girl (probably 20 or something like that), stupid enough and damned good looking..."fresh meat" so to say...you know those who still have their small, little, fresh tits that look "up"...those who smell of youthness and innocence...with shining white teeth...skin of ivory....

...i've been studying my whole life to get to the point where you can say "Miss Priscilla (she needs to have a name like that), would you mind passing me the folder of the case of "mr brown"...yes, that one...right down there...on the lowest ancon in front of my desk...oh yes, don't worry i understand it's difficult to bend your knees with that skinny-mini-skirt...don't worry...i won't look

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 3:08:26 PM

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well, this is, uh, I can't pick up an exact word here, anyone help me :)

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Does your secretary look like your avatar?

Unfortunately not..she's fat, short with thin painted fake-red hair and in her middle 50s...but in springtime 2012, if things keep on going smoothly, i may be able to get a personal secretary (the one we have now "belongs" to the firm)...and boy, you can bet your life insurance that i'll take a young girl (probably 20 or something like that), stupid enough and damned good looking..."fresh meat" so to say...you know those who still have their small, little, fresh tits that look "up"...those who smell of youthness and innocence...with shining white teeth...skin of ivory....

...i've been studying my whole life to get to the point where you can say "Miss Priscilla (she needs to have a name like that), would you mind passing me the folder of the case of "mr brown"...yes, that one...right down there...on the lowest ancon in front of my desk...oh yes, don't worry i understand it's difficult to ben your knees with that skinny-mini-skirt...don't worry...i won't look"

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 3:10:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Does your secretary look like your avatar?

Unfortunately not..she's fat, short with thin painted fake-red hair and in her middle 50s...but in springtime 2012, if things keep on going smoothly, i may be able to get a personal secretary (the one we have now "belongs" to the firm)...and boy, you can bet your life insurance that i'll take a young girl (probably 20 or something like that), stupid enough and damned good looking..."fresh meat" so to say...you know those who still have their small, little, fresh tits that look "up"...those who smell of youthness and innocence...with shining white teeth...skin of ivory....

...i've been studying my whole life to get to the point where you can say "Miss Priscilla (she needs to have a name like that), would you mind passing me the folder of the case of "mr brown"...yes, that one...right down there...on the lowest ancon in front of my desk...oh yes, don't worry i understand it's difficult to ben your knees with that skinny-mini-skirt...don't worry...i won't look"

I need to have a beer with you on our next trip to Italy.... all I can say is wowzers.... I about spit my drink all over my keyboard.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/6/2012 3:38:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Does your secretary look like your avatar?

Unfortunately not..she's fat, short with thin painted fake-red hair and in her middle 50s...but in springtime 2012, if things keep on going smoothly, i may be able to get a personal secretary (the one we have now "belongs" to the firm)...and boy, you can bet your life insurance that i'll take a young girl (probably 20 or something like that), stupid enough and damned good looking..."fresh meat" so to say...you know those who still have their small, little, fresh tits that look "up"...those who smell of youthness and innocence...with shining white teeth...skin of ivory....

...i've been studying my whole life to get to the point where you can say "Miss Priscilla (she needs to have a name like that), would you mind passing me the folder of the case of "mr brown"...yes, that one...right down there...on the lowest ancon in front of my desk...oh yes, don't worry i understand it's difficult to bend your knees with that skinny-mini-skirt...don't worry...i won't look"