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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 6:58:34 PM   
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Kunming and the Burma Road:




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 7:03:25 PM   
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And the crossing of Algeria:




Are these units heading for the Russian front? If not, then that's a lot of good armor/mechanized units that won't be attacking the USSR come Barbarossa.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 7:05:57 PM   
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Non-Japanese controlled Chinese cities. Blue is Communist, and orange is Nationalist:




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 7:14:41 PM   
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And the crossing of Algeria:




Are these units heading for the Russian front? If not, then that's a lot of good armor/mechanized units that won't be attacking the USSR come Barbarossa.

They're heading for Iraq and Persia, then the Soviet Oil fields. If they are needed to help secure the Sinai along the way, that's fine, too. They were already across into Africa, and it would take at least as long (without rail moves) to get them to the Polish/Rumanian border. I don't expect to have time for eveything I need to reach that border for a winter Barbarossa anyway, so I made the decision to sind them this way in hopes of activating Turkey.

This forces the Soviets to defend two borders. This image sould make Orm happy (ish). Since the USSR is going to have to mount a strong defense here, that leaves fewer strong units on the Polish/Rumanian border, so the German units there should still be effective. With 2 Italian HQs already in the region, there shouldn't be any supply problems, I don't think. (Of course, Siberia is going to have to be abandoned to the Japanese if they want it).




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 7:22:18 PM   
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I just counted it out, and the German Armor group is 6-7 impulses away from the Suez, which puts them about 9 impulses away from being ready to attack Persia, maybe 10. That should bring us to M/A '41 and a standard M/J '41 Barbarossa. Or I can start Barbarossa earlier, if it looks like a good option. If Italy keeps out of it, the Soviets will have to DOW Italy to get into Iraq . . . or pull troops off that border. I don't think they'll want to make the DOW before the USA passees War Appropriations . . . losing 3-4 chits? Bad news.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 8:15:08 PM   
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I would start Barbarossa as early as possible. I shouldn't wait on Guderian and the Italians to be in position for that, if possible. When the rest of the army is at the Rumanian/Polish border with the USSR, attack. That the assault in Persia is going to start a little later isn't of any concern to you. The reinforcements the USSR can get should be the concern of the Euroaxis. The sooner the USSR is going to get attacked, the weaker he is...


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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 9:15:16 PM   
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I just counted it out, and the German Armor group is 6-7 impulses away from the Suez, which puts them about 9 impulses away from being ready to attack Persia, maybe 10. That should bring us to M/A '41 and a standard M/J '41 Barbarossa. Or I can start Barbarossa earlier, if it looks like a good option. If Italy keeps out of it, the Soviets will have to DOW Italy to get into Iraq . . . or pull troops off that border. I don't think they'll want to make the DOW before the USA passees War Appropriations . . . losing 3-4 chits? Bad news.

There are no Italian TRSs?? Those boys are going to languish in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights! It's a travesty.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 10:12:28 PM   
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I just counted it out, and the German Armor group is 6-7 impulses away from the Suez, which puts them about 9 impulses away from being ready to attack Persia, maybe 10. That should bring us to M/A '41 and a standard M/J '41 Barbarossa. Or I can start Barbarossa earlier, if it looks like a good option. If Italy keeps out of it, the Soviets will have to DOW Italy to get into Iraq . . . or pull troops off that border. I don't think they'll want to make the DOW before the USA passees War Appropriations . . . losing 3-4 chits? Bad news.

There are no Italian TRSs?? Those boys are going to languish in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights! It's a travesty.

There are 2 Italian TRS, but they have other obligations for the next turn (I think). They might be able to assist, but might not. I've considered it, once these boys reach Gabes, but they won't be able to enter Iraq until Gudieran gets there anyway, so the TRS might be better used transporting Italian troops instead.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/16/2012 10:48:07 PM   
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Due to an error in calculations, the Commonwealth lost out on 4 BP this turn, which isn't as bad as it could have been. I've made it as far as Factory Destruction, and I think there are going to be some issues/questions regarding the builds I chose for this turn, but I do have my reasons. They may not agree with what you might do, and they may be flat-out wrong, but at least they are part of an overall strategic plan I've set in motion (as of about 2 turns ago). As Barbarossa approches, I'm trying to build things so that the maximum units arrive at the correct times. Of course, you never really can tell what the "correct time" is going to be, but I've made an educated guess at it.

Nope. Not gonna fill you in now. It's been a long day, and I'm getting very tired. Once I've finished up the final stages of the End of Turn sequence in the morning, I'll start posting the standard reports. I'll roll for the weather, and let the debates begin as to how the winter should be played.

I sense there is a little bit of frustration and/or bafflement at my decision to cross the Sahara with so many high caliber Panzers (pun intended). I'll simply say that it may be an unusual move, but this is an unusual game so far, and whether it works or not, I'm glad I've tried it. I'll never know how a tactic might benefit me unless I try it at least once.

Until the morning, then (my morning, that is).

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 5:05:08 AM   
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If you still want to bring those Germans to the Middle East to attack the Caucasus from the back door, sail them across with TRS (or sail them back to Europe to rail to Poland/Rumania in Jan/Feb). You can send the German TRS to the Med for extra lift (although maybe it's too risky now that so much of the Kriegsmarine is languishing in the drydocks of the Reich).

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 5:06:50 AM   
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Also, viz. Chinese surrender, I agree with deferring it to 1941. If you don't need to do it to get the chits for War Appropriations, don't. But I see opportunities for screwing with Japan's redeployment right as they're trying to bring their army back to the coast from the interior.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 5:47:34 AM   
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Surrendering China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can not understand why you would want to surrender China?
USA is close to being in the war.
Once USA is in the war Japan will have to take naval turns.
While China is alive Japan has to keep its army in China.
As soon as China surrenders all those units are free to redeplore to other thearters.
I would never surrender China.
Make him fight you.
By the way I have enjoyed the AAR.
Thanks for taking the effort.
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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 6:45:55 AM   
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If you still want to bring those Germans to the Middle East to attack the Caucasus from the back door, sail them across with TRS (or sail them back to Europe to rail to Poland/Rumania in Jan/Feb). You can send the German TRS to the Med for extra lift (although maybe it's too risky now that so much of the Kriegsmarine is languishing in the drydocks of the Reich).

Yeah, trying to get the German lift to the Med is a bit too risky right now. The reason I don't know if I'll be able to use the Italian TRS this turn to help the Germans get to the Middle-East is that one way or another I need a 4th Italian Corps in Syria or Transjordan. My little goof that allowed the Suez defenders to retreat to the Sinai means I probably need to bring that Corps over from Italy at the first opportunity. Italy desperately needs the Oil fields of Iraq -- half its fleet has been paralyzed for 2 turns now, ever since taking Gibraltar. That makes this a priority.
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Also, viz. Chinese surrender, I agree with deferring it to 1941. If you don't need to do it to get the chits for War Appropriations, don't. But I see opportunities for screwing with Japan's redeployment right as they're trying to bring their army back to the coast from the interior.

It's definitely the "screwing with Japan's redeployment" that is making me itch to surrender, but I'm still aiming to get through J/F '41. That may end up being too late, and then it's time to force Japan to conquer or screen. I just spent the last Chinese BP on a CAV Division, with a 50/50 chance of it being Communist. It wasn't, so it's going to end up in Kunming, with no more reinforcements on the way for the Commies.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 6:55:22 AM   
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Surrendering China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can not understand why you would want to surrender China?
USA is close to being in the war.
Once USA is in the war Japan will have to take naval turns.
While China is alive Japan has to keep its army in China.
As soon as China surrenders all those units are free to redeplore to other thearters.
I would never surrender China.
Make him fight you.
By the way I have enjoyed the AAR.
Thanks for taking the effort.
regards John


You're very welcome, John.

China now has only 4 units left (including the Communist MTN unit. For the purpose of "keeping the army in China", well, China really isn't alive. The same units that are needed to screen the remaining defenders are the ones that would end up on garrison duty, so everyone else is free to redeploy anyway.

With Suez and Sian now taken, the only remaining actions that might generate US Entry chits are aligning Iraq and taking over Kunming (in which case, China is lost). So, the USA is still probably 2-3 turns away (minimum) from passing War Appropriations. Once that is done, the US still is another turn or two away from actually entering the war.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 8:05:07 AM   
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Before the End of Turn Report, for those keeping track here is the US Entry chit summary for S/O '40:

Impulse: 5
Attack on Sian: Assault, Fractional Odds .513 (Yes), Roll = 8 = -/1S (Converted to Retreat, GARR destroyed, INF retreated NW of Mao, attackers disorganized) USE-9 (no chit)

Impulse: 9
Attack on Suez: Blitz, Roll = 5+1 = 6 = -/R (attackers disorganized, defenders Retreat to the East) USE-2 (+1 chit, 226 [2]) Ja

End of Turn:
USA drew 1 marker to the Ja Entry Pool (279 [3])
USA chooses Chinese Build Aircraft (Ja), adjusted by -3; USE-Auto (no chit moved)

Ge/It Entry: 31
Ge/It Tension: 22
Chance of DOW: 0%
Japan Entry: 28
Japan Tension: 21
Chance of DOW: 0%
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I also thought you might like to see the Neutrality Pact positions:




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 9:21:28 AM   
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And here it is, my End of Turn Report for S/O '40:

Partisans
1 Partisan in Hungary (CW) placed in Debrecen

Entry Markers
USSR placed 1 marker on Defense (291 [3])
Germany placed 2 markers on Offense (281 [3], 54 [1])

US Entry
USA drew 1 marker to the Ja Entry Pool (279 [3])
USA chooses Chinese Build Aircraft (Ja), adjusted by -3; USE-Auto (no chit moved)

Ge/It Entry: 31
Ge/It Tension: 22
Chance of DOW: 0%
Japan Entry: 28
Japan Tension: 21
Chance of DOW: 0%

Pre-Build Scrapping
None

Builds:
China (1): 1 x CAV Division
CW (15): 2 x INF, 1 x TERR, 2 x TRS(2nd)
France (0): 1 x Retrain Pilot, 1 x Convoy
USA (20): 2 x TRS(1st), 1 x CV(2nd), 1 x NAV-3, 1 x Pilot, 1 x Factory
USSR (17): 2 x INF, 1 x MECH, 1 x ARM
Germany (19): 1 x INF, 1 x MIL, 1 x TERR, 2 x MECH, 2 x SUB(1st)
Italy (11): 2 x TERR, 1 x LND-3, 1 x SUB(2nd), 1 x Pilot
Japan (16): 1 x INF, 2 x MIL, 1 x CVP-0, 1 x AMPH(2nd), 1 x TRS(2nd), 1 x SUB(2nd)

N/D '40 Gearing Limits (above 1):
China: 2 x CAV
CW: 4 x Infantry, 3 x Ship
France: 2 x Ship
USA: 4 x Ship, 2 x Air, 2 x Pilot, 2 x Factory
USSR: 3 x Infantry, 3 x Armor
Germany: 4 x Infantry, 3 x Armor, 3 x Submarine
Italy: 3 x Infantry, 2 x Submarine, 2 x Air, 2 x Pilot
Japan: 4 x Infantry, 3 x Ship, 2 x Submarine, 2 x Air

Conquest:
Syria cc by Italy
Nyasaland cc by Italy

China Declined to Surrender to Japan

Factory Destruction:
Japan destroyed Blue Factory in Sian

Reinforcements:
CW assigns Pilots to FTR-3 and CVP Class-1
CW places TERR in Delhi, SUB in Liverpool, 2 CV in Plymouth, CVP in Bristol, FTR-3 in London
USA assigns Pilots to NAV-3 and 2 CVP
USA places SUB, NAV-3, 2 CVP, MTN Division in SD, HQ-A Eisenhower and MOT Division in New York
USA removes 2 CVP Class-2 from the map
USSR assigns Pilot to LND
USSR places LND in Gomel, 2 INF and ART in Vitebsk
Germany assigns Pilot to FTR
Germany places TERR in Morocco, MIL in Bremen, FTR and 2 INF in Konigsberg, 2 SUB in Kiel
Italy places TERR in Uganda and Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, GARR in taranto, BB in La Spezia
Japan assigns Pilots to 2 NAV and CVP
Japan places Warlords in Lanchow and Chengtu, MIL in Fukuoka, MIL and ARM in Tokyo, CV with CVP in Tokyo, 2 NAV in Sasebo

Trade Agreements:
CW cancels its Trade Agreement with France

Victory Totals
Axis: 32
Allies: 35

Initiative:
Allies win Initiative 10-5
Allies choose not to move first in N/D '40

Turn 8 N/D '40

Allies win Initiative 10-5
Allies choose not to move first in N/D '40
+1 Allied Initiative

Impulse: 1
Weather: 9
(See the next post for the nasty winter ahead)
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Though it may not seem like it, at the start of this 2nd year of the war, the Allies actually held their own. Yes, they lost Suez, but that gained a nice US Entry chit in the Ja Entry Pool . . . and, because Italy screwed things up, both defenders are still causing a problem for the Axis in the Sinai (which is historically both one of the least hospitible evnironments in the world and also, dating back to ancient times, the most active battlefield the world has ever seen). Also in the Middle-East, the French lost Syria. No surprise there, and it means Iraq is sure to align with Italy very soon . . . but that was something Italy planned to do 2 turns ago. That means for the 2nd turn in a row Italy has only been able to reorganize about half of its fleet. Not bad, I'd say, for the tiny force the Allies had available to foil Axis plans in the region. We all knew they couldn't be held back forever, but another turn bought is another turn gained.

US Entry continues to demonstrate the fickle nature of the average American. At the start of the turn, in early September, it looked like there might be problems here. Although the USA only drew 2 chits (including the End of Turn chit), they were both high. Yes, I consider a '2' to be a high chit in a year that has a 55% chance of drawing a chit with a lower value. So, even though things were looking bad at the start of the turn, Halloween was definitely a "trick or treat" event. The USA got a treat, and they got to trick the Axis, too. And all of this happened about a week before the 1940 Presidential election. Do you think FDR will win an unprecedented 3rd term in office? I do.

China is on its last leg, and given the first weather roll (see below), a Surrender might have been worth it. Then again, Japan isn't likely to have much success with either of its current needs: redeployment or an attack on Kunming.

The Soviets may have some trouble redeploying for a Barbarossa defense, given the fact that a new ice age has set in. If things look too scary as the end of December approaches, they can still do a little border stuffing by moving some of the air forces back toward the border, but it looks like Germany will be able to get enough units there to break the Pact early next year using rail moves and the better movement rates allowed by Snow in the N. Temperate Zone.

At long last, the RN is finally getting some results! Two victories may not seem like a lot, and neither was truly decisive, but it's a lot better than the ongoing failures of the first year of the war. Most of the CW convoy pipeline managed to get into place, and the rest should be easy to fix. Also, almost every naval unit not needed elsewhere was able to rebase to Plymouth; there are now 39 ships docked there (I'll show what they are soon, if I can figure out how to do it easily). The one thing lacking is sealift near the UK. Of the 4 TRS available to the CW, 3 are docked in Cape Town and Bombay, with the last one in Nigeria (yes, Nigeria). These can either evacuate Wavell (but not the other 2 units, I'm afraid), or they can bring him more troops. One of the Italian TERR units went to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, but that's just a speed bump. With 8 factors still sitting in the Sinai, if Wavell wanted to make a run for Khartoum, he might be able to get it -- Italy will have 2 stacks, widely separated, to deal with in East Africa, then. Of course, Wavell will need to get to Port Sudan first, to keep in supply, and that might not be easy to do in the short term.

The USA now has all 3 of its Pacific Ocean Victory Cities double-stacked with the reinforcement of Pago Pago. This may hurt the CW by forcing Japan to claim its lands instead of trying or the US territories, but it means there are good bases to launch a counter-offensive when the time comes.
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A quick reminder of what I defined as the Axis goals for S/O '40:
1. Japan needs to finish off the Communists, and if it can, the Nationalists, too, then relocate its units into position for future warfare.
2. Italy needs to align Iraq, eliminate French defenders in Syria, and try to finish off the CW units in the Suez area.
3. Germany needs to finish the job in Morocco, then redeploy for Barbarossa. One decision that needs to be made concerns Murmansk and the possibility of taking it from the USSR.
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All three of these were only half completed. The Nationalist Chinese are still around and Japan hasn't started its redeployment yet; Iraq is still Neutral (though not for long) and the CW still has a strong presence in the region; and Germany hasn't finished its redeployment for Barbarossa.

On that last point, the German decision to cross the Sahara now looks like it might have been a mistake. How often does it actually Rain in the Sahara, though? I stick by the decision, because if you look at the Storms over Spain (which is where they would be now), the terrain would be almost as bad for movement. Of course, they'd be in supply the whole way without risk of it being cut. But who expects Rain in the Sahara? Apparently not me.

Once Italy has full control of Iraq, its fleet should be much more menacing . . . and active. After Iraq is aligned, it's time to chase the CW away for good.

As for Japan, it needs to Ground Strike the lone Communist MTN unit at the first possible opportunity. If it can do that, it doesn't even need to try to destroy it; right now it's more important that the best troops redeploy for useful activities . . . invasions, Siberian conquest, walking to India, whatever.
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Overall, I think the Allies "won" this round. The bad things that were bound to happen did happen, but other bad things that might have happened did not. One thing the CW really needs to watch, though, is the start of a full-scale SUB war, now that Germany has 5 SUBs on the map. Even with this threat, the Allies chose to let the Axis have the first move, hoping to shift the Initiative another +1 in their favor.
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So, at the beginning of November, 1940, here is what the world looks like:




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 9:23:23 AM   
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As promised, the weather roll for Impulse #1 of N/D '40 (Turn #8):




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 10:54:46 AM   
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Also as promised, my attempt to show you the fleet in Plymouth is below. It took my over an hour and a half to edit these images together and explain the problems the CW faces (below the image). That's why there's only 1 version of the NRD form. It would have taken a lot more effort to show that one both ways, and wouldn't really improve things much.

The top 2 images use the Units in Hex form to show everything in Plymouth. The first uses standard resolution, and the second uses low resolution (improving the visibility of the numbers on each counter). The long image below them shows the exact same thing, but uses the Naval Review Details (NRD) form instead. This splits things up into ship types. It also contains a Unit Data Panel to show almost any possible information you could possibly want to know about the fleet.




As you can see, I'm very short on CVP units. There is a Class-1 that was added as a reinforcement at Bristol, and there are 3 more in the Reserve Pool (inserts). Unfortunately, those are either Class-1 or Class-3 . . . fortunately, both of the Class-3 CVP drop down to Class-2 at the start of 1941, so they'll finally fit on my available CV. Unfortunately, again, 3 of the next 4 CVP on the Production Spiral are Class-3 CVP that won't drop to Class-2 until 1942, and the 4th is another Class-1 . . . which means replacements won't be available unless I keep building more CVP and get lucky. Also, the Class-2 Swordfish on the CV Furious drops down to Class-1 in 1941 . . .

Did you follow all of that? Good, now I'll add another headache:

There are now 6 CVP left in the CW Force Pools (5 x Class-3, 1 x Class-2). When 1941 rolls around next turn, those 6 will be: 3 x Class-3, 2 x Class-2, 1 x Class-1 (nice symmetry, don't you think?), which means I only have a 50% chance of getting something "useful" if I build any this turn.

A real pain, right? It gets worse. In 1941, another 10 CVP get added to the Force Pools (2 x Class-3, 8 x Class-4).

As the CW, I've scrapped 13 CVP units. Of these, 7 cost no BP and 6 cost 1 BP . . . and all of them are worthless. My initial decision to scrap at the start of the game was in the hope of getting some useful units instead of crap. Maybe I should only have scrapped the 1 BP units, but it's too lat to worry about that now.

To sum up my CVP troubles, I think it's fairly simple: Germany killed off the CV Ark Royal, my only Class-3 CV early on (which is why I immediately rebuilt it).

There are now 2 x CV Class-3 in the Construction Pool, but a shortage of BP this turn and the need to build sealift means they'll have to sit there for another turn. At least I know I'll have (hopefully) some CVP that fit their carriers correctly once 1942 comes, but that's a long way off. It's a damn good thing that the USA will be deep in the war by then!

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 11:15:54 AM   
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For those of you wondering why I haven't been building all of those "wonderful long-range fighters" to help with the problem, take a look at the Force Pools below. I don't know for certain what is considered "long-range" for a WiF fighter, but this shows you what's available now and what is going to be available over the next few years. To my eye, it doesn't look like building a FTR unit has a significant chance of being one of the "long-range" variety just yet.




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 11:32:51 AM   
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If you're now wondering why I haven't tried to produce more NAV units, then, I have another image for you to study. Most of the units I started the game with are in the Reserve Pool now, and they are only good for Convoy protection. There are a few worth building now, but those NAV/ATR units are very expensive at 4 BP each. Starting in 1941 I'll have some more reasonably priced units to work with.

With such a high demand for sealift and cheap land units, I haven't felt the risk/reward value was high enough to justify building my FTR and NAV force in large numbers so far. Add in the destruction of so many of my CVP in early battles, and I figured I could get 2-3 CVP replacements for the price of a single FTR or NAV. Yes, that doesn't take Pilots into account, but as a rule CVP Pilots typically survive their engagements. So, I built a bunch of CVP and some Pilots, trying to fill out my CVs and empty the Reserve Pool of any units that might actually be useful.




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 1:32:43 PM   
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Moving into the cold weather, these turns which despite the weather are the "calm before the storm", have little real action going on. Italy transported a GARR from Italy to Beirut in preparation to align Iraq. Japan began to move its troops away from Sian and toward the coast. Germany continued to shift units toward the Soviet border.

One attack this impulse:




And the results:

Attack on Debrecen: Assault, Roll = Automatic

It was a Partisan . . . what else can be said?

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 2:23:25 PM   
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As the Commonwealth player, I can't wait for the USA to enter the war . . . not just to relieve the pressure, but also because it turns out I'm short 4 convoys. The USA has lots to spare. The French can add another to the chain M/J '41, but that's a little later than I'd like. I could swear I counted out my needs, but I guess I was wrong. Two factories in the UK will remain unproductive in the meantime.

I could reduce that to a single factory, but it would mean using up a TRS to reorg 2 convoys. It might be worth it, though, for the sake of the extra BP. It means stealing CP from a different part of the chain (where they aren't actually doing anything useful at the moment), and they'll eventually have to be replaced, but an extra BP per turn is probably worth using up a TRS. Especially since this turn is likely to be a short one, anyway.
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Edit: Given the weather, I've decided to evacuate Wavell after all. I'll return him to Beira, Mozambique at the end of the turn, and I can provide him with 2 additional units to start moving up the E. African front (one from Bombay and the 5-4 INF from Kuala Lumpur). This will leave India slightly vulnerable to Partisans at the end of the turn, but a fresh Indian INF is coming in to start off 1941. Keep those fingers crossed.

The force Wavell will command should have 2 INF, 1 MIL, and either 2 or 3 TERR (depending on what action choices I make during the next two turns). It isn't overpowering, but it should be enough to get the job done starting early in 1941. If that doesn't irritate Italy, I don't know what will.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 3:53:44 PM   
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It goes from bad to worse. The Allies did what they could, and then rolled for the Impulse #7 weather. Seems the ice age has reached Texas -- and having lived in Dallas, I can tell you they haven't the faintest idea what to do in this kind of weather. Schools will be closed for weeks (if not months) before they manage to clean this mess up.

But hey, looking good for Germany -- at least it isn't raining in the Sahara!




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 4:33:43 PM   
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The weather may be nasty in most parts of the world . . . hell, even the fertile crescent is seeing some snow . . . but Italy finally managed to align Iraq! And promptly took a page out of the early-game Japanese book by rolling a '1' for the US Entry roll:

Italy aligns Iraq; USE-1 (+1 chit, 91 [1])

Okay, now here is the reason I wouldn't explain why I wanted to align Iraq as soon as I could manage it. Normally I would prefer better weather, so that the Iraqi CAV could set up in this hex and still be in supply. From there it's a short walk to Kuwait and a major port is taken away from the CW. Not a truly important one . . . unless they want to build up troops for an attack on Iraq. Even OOS, the CAV can still do the job, and there's nothing the CW can do to prevent it.

Yes, this move could easily have been countered by sending one of those troops that was heading to Suez off to Kuwait instead. But everyone was too busy worrying about Gibraltar, Suez, and East Africa. Nobody was paying attention to this. I figured that since nobody mentioned this potential threat, no matter how many times I said that aligning Iraq was a priority, my "Allied peronality" must not have a clue that this was likely to happen. So I didn't send anyone to Kuwait, and the CW will pay for that mistake.
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You can't see it in this image, but as an added bonus, the desert hex where those 2 CW units got stuck is experiencing Fine weather, but the Red Sea has Snow over it. Instead of full Defensive Shore Bombardment, only 4 factors can be applied, so if Italy (and the German LND) can find a way to attack 12 factors at relatively good odds, those 2 units can be sent home (packed in ice, of course).




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 5:11:38 PM   
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You can't see it in this image, but as an added bonus, the desert hex where those 2 CW units got stuck is experiencing Fine weather, but the Red Sea has Snow over it. Instead of full Defensive Shore Bombardment, only 4 factors can be applied, so if Italy (and the German LND) can find a way to attack 12 factors at relatively good odds, those 2 units can be sent home (packed in ice, of course).

Unfortunately for the Italians it is the weather in the combat hex that counts for shore bombardment modifiers. So full shore bombardment will help the CW defenders.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 5:16:40 PM   
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You can't see it in this image, but as an added bonus, the desert hex where those 2 CW units got stuck is experiencing Fine weather, but the Red Sea has Snow over it. Instead of full Defensive Shore Bombardment, only 4 factors can be applied, so if Italy (and the German LND) can find a way to attack 12 factors at relatively good odds, those 2 units can be sent home (packed in ice, of course).

Unfortunately for the Italians it is the weather in the combat hex that counts for shore bombardment modifiers. So full shore bombardment will help the CW defenders.

Really? That's counter-intuitive. If it's the rules, it's the rules, but it seems strange to me that a ship on stormy seas can more easily bombard a hex in Fine weather than it can in Rainy weather (say, perhaps 2 adjacent hexes). I would think it is the conditions from which the shells come from that would matter. But, as I said, if it's the rules, it's the rules.
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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 6:23:18 PM   
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Surrendering China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can not understand why you would want to surrender China?
USA is close to being in the war.
Once USA is in the war Japan will have to take naval turns.
While China is alive Japan has to keep its army in China.
As soon as China surrenders all those units are free to redeplore to other thearters.
I would never surrender China.
Make him fight you.
By the way I have enjoyed the AAR.
Thanks for taking the effort.
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You're very welcome, John.

China now has only 4 units left (including the Communist MTN unit. For the purpose of "keeping the army in China", well, China really isn't alive. The same units that are needed to screen the remaining defenders are the ones that would end up on garrison duty, so everyone else is free to redeploy anyway.

With Suez and Sian now taken, the only remaining actions that might generate US Entry chits are aligning Iraq and taking over Kunming (in which case, China is lost). So, the USA is still probably 2-3 turns away (minimum) from passing War Appropriations. Once that is done, the US still is another turn or two away from actually entering the war.

No. If the units screening the Chinese are in zones of control they are not serving as garrison units. The total units in China are the garrison + the screening units. If the Japanese retreat from the Chinese (so they are out of ZOCs and can act as garrison), then the Chinese should advance right up next to them. Surrendering China would be lovely for the Japanese. It should not be done. The only situation where I would surrender China is if doing so brought the US into the war IMMEDIATELY and the Japanese would be caught flat-footed, without their invasion troops ready to deploy. Once the US DOWs Japan I would have the Commonwealth DOW them too, so Japan would get no surprise benefits for their invasion.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 6:33:02 PM   
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Surrendering China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can not understand why you would want to surrender China?
USA is close to being in the war.
Once USA is in the war Japan will have to take naval turns.
While China is alive Japan has to keep its army in China.
As soon as China surrenders all those units are free to redeplore to other thearters.
I would never surrender China.
Make him fight you.
By the way I have enjoyed the AAR.
Thanks for taking the effort.
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You're very welcome, John.

China now has only 4 units left (including the Communist MTN unit. For the purpose of "keeping the army in China", well, China really isn't alive. The same units that are needed to screen the remaining defenders are the ones that would end up on garrison duty, so everyone else is free to redeploy anyway.

With Suez and Sian now taken, the only remaining actions that might generate US Entry chits are aligning Iraq and taking over Kunming (in which case, China is lost). So, the USA is still probably 2-3 turns away (minimum) from passing War Appropriations. Once that is done, the US still is another turn or two away from actually entering the war.

No. If the units screening the Chinese are in zones of control they are not serving as garrison units. The total units in China are the garrison + the screening units. If the Japanese retreat from the Chinese (so they are out of ZOCs and can act as garrison), then the Chinese should advance right up next to them. Surrendering China would be lovely for the Japanese. It should not be done. The only situation where I would surrender China is if doing so brought the US into the war IMMEDIATELY and the Japanese would be caught flat-footed, without their invasion troops ready to deploy. Once the US DOWs Japan I would have the Commonwealth DOW them too, so Japan would get no surprise benefits for their invasion.

I mis-stated what I meant by the same units would be needed and that the others are free to redeploy. What I intended to say is that they could redeploy within China without having to stick around to destroy more Chinese units. The ones doing the screening operations can eventually do that if/when Ground Strikes succeed. It's going to take a while for Japan to get most of its units out of China anyway, so it won't have Partisan troubles for a while.

Particularly with the bad weather. In fact, the weather was so bad that very little happened this turn (which ended after the 4th full impulse). The CW did get a chance to make that convoy switch and will have troops in Mozambique. Iraq was activated, and Germany continues to cross over toward the Soviets. Anything else I think of, I'll mention in my End of Turn Report (which should be short).

Here's how miserable the weather was in N/D '40 (Turn #8), and you can expect more like it coming up:




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 6:43:55 PM   
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So close, so close . . . but not quite there yet. Time for another break, while you peruse the US Entry Options. (Not picking a damn thing, of course).




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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 1/17/2012 6:46:48 PM   
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Before I do take my break, I want to show you exactly how little happened this turn. Here you see the only unit destroyed in N/D '40:




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