Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: henry1611

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ORIGINAL: castor troy


100m and a ski jump is enough to start a fully loaded Flanker without a catapult?

Here is a picture of the ski jump.




I don't claim to know the mechanics but the linked video (at the :39 mark) shows a Su-33 taking off using the ski jump. It is admittedly not fully loaded, but you can see at :49 and again at about 2:48 that the jump is not fitted with a catapult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wxyYNoA_b8

As an aside, I like how the Russians use a real truck as their crash cart (at 2:45).

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: henry1611

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ORIGINAL: castor troy


100m and a ski jump is enough to start a fully loaded Flanker without a catapult?

Here is a picture of the ski jump.




I don't claim to know the mechanics but the linked video (at the :39 mark) shows a Su-33 taking off using the ski jump. It is admittedly not fully loaded, but you can see at :49 and again at about 2:48 that the jump is not fitted with a catapult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wxyYNoA_b8

As an aside, I like how the Russians use a real truck as their crash cart (at 2:45).

What also should not be underestimated is that the Flanker had one of the best thrust to weight
ratios at the end of the cold war, as well as the MiG-29K, the naval version of the Fulcrum.

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ORIGINAL: Mobeer

FROM ITAR-TASS news agency, 29 Sept 2011:
"26 shipboard fighter planes Su-33 and MiG-29 K"
"24 ASW helicopters -- eighteen Ka-27 and Ka-29, two Ka-27PS, and four Ka-31"

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And of course during "Praying Mantis" more than 1/2 of the Iranian Navy was wiped out by the Enterprise Strike group, some detached DD's and a couple of sticks of wayward Seals. That was a weekend project.

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ORIGINAL: Whipple

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And of course during "Praying Mantis" more than 1/2 of the Iranian Navy was wiped out by the Enterprise Strike group, some detached DD's and a couple of sticks of wayward Seals. That was a weekend project.

Shipmate:

I was x-decked to CG-28 two days before for work on their 8K evap. and I recommend you get your "facts" straight. You can start here:

- It wasn't "1/2 the Iranian Navy".
- They weren't "wiped out".
- There were more than just "detached DD's".
- "Sticks of wayward SEAL's"? Seriously AW1?

"A weekend project."? Your flippant characterization illustrates you've never heard, "Missile inbound, port side. All hands brace for shock" for real. If you are going to use your service as a source of credibility I recommend you stick to what you actually know rather than what you think you know.

Have a very fine Navy day,
MMCS

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If I've stepped on your feelings, I'm sorry. You are right , I wasn't there. I rely on histories and battle reports. So please, correct my oversights and let us know what really happened. I know that I'd be greatful.

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Keep your horrors to yourself, senior

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ORIGINAL: Whipple

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If I've stepped on your feelings, I'm sorry. You are right , I wasn't there. I rely on histories and battle reports. So please, correct my oversights and let us know what really happened. I know that I'd be greatful.

AW1:

This was a professional critique not a personal one. Therefore there were no feelings involved, only "facts" that needed addressing. They were addressed because if the "facts" of history are repeated often and loud enough they become accepted. I submit for your consideration Fuchida and the battle of Midway.

Again, have a very fine Navy day
MMCS

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I have heard the subs in operation today have the ability to sneak undetected w/in torp range of any CVBG and place torps into the screws of any capitol ship. So I figure the CV will go the path of the BB. I expect this to happen w/ in the next 3/4 years.

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Here are a few accounts, some very reputable such as USNI , some not so much such as Wikipedia. Where did I misrepresent the facts? If I did , again I apologize. Again, All I can go on are reports, articles , and books I've read , and a few of the people I had the chance to talk to. I'd like very much to hear the corrected story.

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What aspects to Fuchida and Midway are you referring to?

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ORIGINAL: khyberbill

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I have heard the subs in operation today have the ability to sneak undetected w/in torp range of any CVBG and place torps into the screws of any capitol ship. So I figure the CV will go the path of the BB. I expect this to happen w/ in the next 3/4 years.

The US has had that capability for a long time with their nuc subs. Diesel boats present a problem as well, however, they may not be able to move fast enough to get that close in many cases. We "escorted" a CV to Mayport once and kept a steady pace of 20 knots with lots of course changes.

In 1972 the sub I was on was involved in an exercise to sharpen ASW skills for CV task forces. We got close enough to take pictures of the CV; so close a sailor on the carrier threw a grenade that exploded near our hull just outside AMR2 LL and scared the living daylights out of the feed station watch (me). Most on the sub hardly heard it except the sonar gang. In this particular exercise we were accused of cheating (try telling the enemy not to cheat-basically sneaking out of the exercise area and then back in) and had to surface and take on a full Captain to monitor us. We werent cheating, did not need to cheat. The TF we were attacking had the CV, many DD's and two attack subs of the same class as us (Sturgeon). They never got close to us on any of our attack runs.