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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/12/2012 10:21:17 AM   
Omat


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As far as I know for Stavka or O.K.H you should take Leaders withe the highes admin rating. So for soviet side there only two leaders which are silhouetted against the other leaders:

Boris Shaposhnikov with admin 8
Aleksandr Vasilevsky with admin 9 (but he has not the rank at begin of the war).

I would give Shaposhnikov command over Stavka and the 3rd Baltic front a commander with a admin rating of 7 (if you have one which does not command a Front (e.g. Ivan Bagramyan which commands in your game only the coastal army)).


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P.S. On the other hand the game is so far I am not sure if this changes would have a great impact.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/12/2012 3:17:34 PM   
Q-Ball


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Status: offline 		I would put Zhukov at STAVKA, and repalce him with Bagramyan at 2nd Ukr Front.

What is Bagramyan doing commanding an Army only? He should be a front commander.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/12/2012 3:37:45 PM   
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For playing the campaign all the way through and learning on the fly,bravo sir! Though the gallery is correct about choice of leaders,write it down in your notes for the next game. not to join the ranks of the "I told you so",however i bet a few of those mobile corps you disbanded would come in handy about 4-7 turns ago replacing units at the front for R&R....

Keep the drive alive! Think you can blow open a hole in the south and unhinge his line.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/13/2012 3:22:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Omat

Hello

As far as I know for Stavka or O.K.H you should take Leaders withe the highes admin rating. So for soviet side there only two leaders which are silhouetted against the other leaders:

Boris Shaposhnikov with admin 8
Aleksandr Vasilevsky with admin 9 (but he has not the rank at begin of the war).

I would give Shaposhnikov command over Stavka and the 3rd Baltic front a commander with a admin rating of 7 (if you have one which does not command a Front (e.g. Ivan Bagramyan which commands in your game only the coastal army)).


Omat

P.S. On the other hand the game is so far I am not sure if this changes would have a great impact.



Yup you are right, did some mistakes with my general appointments, and I also agree, it does not matter anymore.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/13/2012 3:23:29 PM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I would put Zhukov at STAVKA, and repalce him with Bagramyan at 2nd Ukr Front.

What is Bagramyan doing commanding an Army only? He should be a front commander.


Where I went wrong when deciding which general to put where, was that I started at the bottom and worked my way up, should have gone the other way I realize now. Does not matter now I would say, but will keep this in mind for the next game as the USSR.


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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/13/2012 3:25:31 PM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812


For playing the campaign all the way through and learning on the fly,bravo sir! Though the gallery is correct about choice of leaders,write it down in your notes for the next game. not to join the ranks of the "I told you so",however i bet a few of those mobile corps you disbanded would come in handy about 4-7 turns ago replacing units at the front for R&R....

Keep the drive alive! Think you can blow open a hole in the south and unhinge his line.


Well, some of my guys could indeed use some rest, but then again, at the time it allowed my depleted forces to gain some 200.000 extra troops, so not sure which would be better, but at the time I was also (wrongly as seen now) concerned about my vehicle pool, as it dropped rapidly.
Well, atleast I can claim that the title of the AAR was well chosen


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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/13/2012 3:31:07 PM   
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Overall
The Axis fall back all along the front NORTH of the Pripjet, this severly reduce the ammounts of attacks we can make. They also fall back some in the south, this does NOT reduce ammount of attacks .
We manage a total of 77 attacks for a score of 14 held, 51 retreat and 12 rout. Losses are light though;
Axis : 65.000 troops and 197 AFVs.
USSR : 79.000 troops and 281 AFVs.

Units
9 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
Due to the low ammount of attacks, our forces report a net growth of 35.000 troops.

Pools
144.000 workers arrive at the manpower pool, ending it at 2.236.
Vehicle pool : 271.252.
Armaments pool : 972.008.

Liberation
Kiev is once more in our hands!

Units destroyed
The German 4/46th SP Flak Company and the 1st Rumanian Armored Division exists no more.

Axis VP
180.

Partisans
5 units retreat this turn, leaving 9 units on the map. Our guys manage 4 sabotague missions, or a ratio of roughly 44%.







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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 6:04:52 AM   
terje439


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Overall
The Axis once more fall back a little and try to remake a line in the south, and we follow up by smashing into it. The Axis manage to kill off one of our Rumanian Invasion Force Divisions, while we make a total of 81 attacks, scoring 11 held, 60 retreat, 8 rout and 2 surrender. Losses are in the middle range;
Axis : 94.000 troops and 328 AFVs
USSR : 107.000 troops and 387 AFVS.

Units
8 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn. Our ground forces report a growth of 25.000 troops.

Pools
125.000 workers arrive at the manpower pool, ending it at 2.326.
Vehicle pool : 275.996.
Armaments pool : 985.454.

Liberation
Our forces retake Vitebsk.

Units destroyed
The 369th Croatian Infantry Division, the 215th Infantry Division, the 1/562nd Volksgrenadier Division, the 2/562nd Volksgrenadier Division, the 3/562nd Volksgrenadier Division and the 2/454th Infantry Division all surrender this turn.

Axis VP
179.

Partisans
We are left with 8 units on the map after 3 units are chased away by the Axis. Our guys only manage a success rate of 25% for a total of 2 sabotague actions.







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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 7:12:31 AM   
AFV


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Status: offline 		9 more turns and you need to take away 39 victory points to get a draw. Don't think that will happen but regardless, good job and a very good AAR. I am glad I invested the time to follow it!

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 7:23:58 AM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: AFV

9 more turns and you need to take away 39 victory points to get a draw. Don't think that will happen but regardless, good job and a very good AAR. I am glad I invested the time to follow it!


I do not think it will happen either, but we will do our best
Thank you for following


Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 8:04:53 AM   
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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 10:23:40 AM   
juret

 

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kichinev
vinnetsa
zhitomir
magliev
minsk

looks like southern front is crashing. mayby u can flip romania to


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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 10:29:09 AM   
randallw

 

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 2:40:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: randallw

Don't assault Odessa until you have a massive force, not just a large one.


Yup, that 45 CV stack will join in, as will those two arty stacks.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 2:40:54 PM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: juret

press like crazy to take

kichinev
vinnetsa
zhitomir
magliev
minsk

looks like southern front is crashing. mayby u can flip romania to




Will see how many I can manage, sadly it seems Leningrad will remain on Axis hands :(


Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/14/2012 2:41:37 PM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: randallw

Yes, you can become the proud owner of run down Romanian infantry divisions with morale levels around 30! The nail in the coffin for the Germans.


Hehe, well it COULD be I suppose as they should lose some VPs from a flipped Rumania as well


Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/15/2012 1:22:08 AM   
terje439


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Overall
The Axis once more manage to rally their divisions, and we rout alot of them once more. The Axis kill of the last unit in Rumania, but I am sure those divisions he had to spend doing so would have been better used at the front. We once more go above 100 attacks, but score too many held results. All in all we make 120 attacks this turn, scoring 1 scouted, 28 held, 80 retreat, 7 rout, 1 shatter and 3 surrender. Losses are high;
Axis : 137.000 troops and 483 AFVs.
USSR : 124.000 troops and 591 AFVs.

Units
2 FBs and 6 TACs are sent to the reserves. Our forces on the ground still report a net growth of 4.000 troops despite heavy losses.

Pools
119.000 workers arrive at the manpower pool, ending it at 7.918.
Vehicle pool : 283.369.
Armaments pool : 981.010.

Liberation
Odessa fell to our attacks.

Units destroyed
The 715th Infantry Division, the Deneke Infantry Division, the 68th Volksgrenadier Division, the 183rd Infantry Division, the 293rd Volksgrenadier Division, the 101st Panzer Brigade, the 2/7th Luftwaffe Field Division, the 2/12th Luftwaffe Field Division, the 9th Rumanian Infantry Division, the 14th Rumanian Infantry Division, the 18th Rumanian Infantry Division, the 1st Guards Rumanian Infantry Division, the 9th Rumanian Cavalry Division and the 102nd Hungarian Reserve Division are all destroyed.

Axis VP
178.

Partisans
We are left with 7 active units after the Axis chase 6 units away. Our guys manage 4 sabotague missions this turn.






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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/15/2012 5:32:30 AM   
KeyserSoze

 

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Terje I think you handle the constructive criticism, which isn't always framed constructively, very well!

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/15/2012 11:35:51 AM   
AFV


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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/15/2012 1:07:47 PM   
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It ain't over till its over! keep at him,the south looks close to unhinged.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 11:52:30 AM   
terje439


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KeyserSoze

Great AAR.

Terje I think you handle the constructive criticism, which isn't always framed constructively, very well!


Thank you, and kudos on the nickname GREAT movie!!
I think criticism on the board is not ment as an attack/insult towards the player, but more of a "argh! I KNOW I could do better than him", and most probably could hehe.


Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 11:53:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AFV

Thats one more victory point, 38 to go :)


Yes, and so few turns to do it in
Anyone know the VP count for Rumania from the top of their head?


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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 11:54:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812


It ain't over till its over! keep at him,the south looks close to unhinged.


The south is a mess (from the Axis point of view, glourious from my point of view), I estimate that I will enter Rumania in 2 turns max.


Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 12:01:40 PM   
terje439


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Apologies
Allready offered the same apology to my opponent, but due to work related issues I have not been able to do my turn in some days.
Also, I took the easy route in regards to the "pools" coloumn

Overall
In the centre the Axis fall back to the riverline just east of the Pripjet (too exhausted atm to remember the name of the river), but we force a bridgehead this turn. We make somewhat fewer attacks this turn, with a total of 96. 16 held, 61 retreat, 8 rout and 1 shatter means that losses are between "low" and "ok";
Axis : 81.000 troops and 339 AFVs
USSR : 91.000 troops and 390 AFVs.

Units
9 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn. A few of our units in the south have spend a few turns behind the line, and are back with a vengeance (how about a 21 CV Guards Rifle Corps? ).
Our units on the ground claim a net growth of 39.000 troops this turn.

Pools
See below.

Liberation
The red and yellow flag once more flies over Gomel.

Units destroyed
The 8th Rumanian Cavalry Division shatters under the pressure put up by our brave lads.

Axis VP
177.

Partisans
10 units remain after the Axis chase 4 units away. Our guys manage 6 sabotague missions this turn.






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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 1:25:56 PM   
Tophat1815

 

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 2:00:22 PM   
Omat


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Only a suggestion:

If you have 38 turns left you may exchange Marshal Kulik ( North Caucasian Front)with Ivan Bagramyan . He have a far better imitative rating and help the attached army’s if the dice roll failed.

Omat

< Message edited by Omat -- 2/17/2012 2:11:43 PM >

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/17/2012 3:19:27 PM   
Tophat1815

 

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he is already done with 8/16/45 he has i think some 4 or 5 turns left,i forgot when in September the GC ends.

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/18/2012 9:53:06 AM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: Omat

Hello

Only a suggestion:

If you have 38 turns left you may exchange Marshal Kulik ( North Caucasian Front)with Ivan Bagramyan . He have a far better imitative rating and help the attached army’s if the dice roll failed.

Omat


Ah the game ends at turn 225, so it is almost over

Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/18/2012 9:53:43 AM   
terje439


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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

Any chance of a front picture?


Since I am not sure how to make those looong pictures in Paint, I will post alot of them instead

Terje

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR) - 2/18/2012 10:03:11 AM   
terje439


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Overall
The Axis try to hold a line, and as a result we manage 102 attacks, scoring 19 held, 74 retreats, 8 rout and 1 shatter. Losses are still rather light;
Axis : 74.000 troops and 365 AFVs.
USSR : 93.000 troops and 322 AFVs.

Units
4 TACs are sent to the reserves. Our groundforces claim a net growth of 36.000 troops.

Pools
132.000 workers arrive at the manpower pool, ending it at 3.884.
Vehicle pool : 293.034
Armanents pool : 977.797.

Maps
On the following maps, use the coloured dots on the first to see where it fits in with the second map etc etc.

Units destroyed
The 13th Hungarian Infantry Division shatters this turn.

Axis VP
177.

Partisans
12 units are left on the map as the Axis chase 6 units away. Our guys manage 4 sabotague missions.







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