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Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/25/2012 8:11:00 PM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		A fragment of the 144th IJA RGMT did not recombine after units assembled when transports were attacked and some lost. Now its recognized as a Brit. PBEM Scenario 1. The troops are uneasy following Major Hicks. And there is the language barrier.






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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/25/2012 8:48:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are assuming that Maj Hicks might not have graduated with a degree in Japaneese

Wow .. what a corrupton of reality ...

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/25/2012 10:27:50 PM   
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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/25/2012 11:27:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witp1951

A fragment of the 144th IJA RGMT did not recombine after units assembled when transports were attacked and some lost. Now its recognized as a Brit. PBEM Scenario 1. The troops are uneasy following Major Hicks. And there is the language barrier.






What game version are you playing?
If current patch, do you have a save of the turn when this happened so I can replay it?

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/25/2012 11:45:04 PM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		Saved game prior to Rabaul invasion attached with file extension changed to zip. We were using r6 at the time fragments were unloaded in two different locations. We changed to r9 when patch 6 was final. Transports from two locations with 144th were combined and invaded Rabaul and the fragment originally located elsewhere went over to the enemy.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 12:22:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the following game turn with the fragment identified as a Brit.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 12:50:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bad fragment still shows if run turn on latest build.
Will investigate where this happens.


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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 1:34:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem seems to that one of 144th fragments is pointing to another fragment as its parent. Something that shouldn't happen. This fragment is the 224 RAF unit. Can see this if you look in TF 93. There are 3 fragments to 144th, but only 2 actually show up if the click on the Unit Org for 144th.
This data mishandling occurred presumably during the TF 93 load process. Do suppose you have that save?


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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 1:50:43 AM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		OK. Here is turn with 144th on its way to Truk

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 1:53:23 AM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		Here is next turn after Allied carriers had their way with the transports. 144th split into different escort TF. I think the fragment in question is in TF109

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 1:55:54 AM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		Here is the following turn after TF109 transport sinks and troops rescued by PB. No wonder they changed sides!

I have more turns if needed.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 2:18:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the turn where TF93 loads for Rabaul.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 2:26:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a big gap between the latest saves (early Dec 41 - turn 10) and the ones with the problem (late Jan 42 - turn 52)
The fragments are fine in the last saves.
Any chance for the saves from turn say turn 48 to turn 51 - use my email (michaelm75 @ hotmail.com) to save time.

I'll backtrack till the fragment comes good and then see why it goes bad.


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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 2:43:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Backtracking through the saves here are the turns where the 144th fails to combine at Truk. In this turn a fragment is at Truk and the rest of the Rgmt about to dock.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 2:44:09 AM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		Now we have two separate fragments at Truk.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 2:53:38 AM   
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Backtracking through the saves here are the turns where the 144th fails to combine at Truk. In this turn a fragment is at Truk and the rest of the Rgmt about to dock.

Can I have the one before this. The rest of 144 has already unloaded. And no TF seems to be there.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 3:00:24 AM   
witp1951


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quote:

ORIGINAL: witp1951

Backtracking through the saves here are the turns where the 144th fails to combine at Truk. In this turn a fragment is at Truk and the rest of the Rgmt about to dock.

Can I have the one before this. The rest of 144 has already unloaded. And no TF seems to be there.


I think this is the one you've requested.



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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 3:07:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried loading the 2 parts of  the 144th at Truk with the other save, and I can see that when the orphaned fragment loads on ship is treats the old fragment as its parent. But then that fragment goes away and is used by something else (in your game the 224 RAF). Thus the chain back is ending at the wrong unit.
I have added logic to cause a fragment to drop its parent if it is another fragment. This would fix problems where this has already happened and allow the fragment to be disbanded (add devices back to pool).
In the meantime, I'll look at the saves to see WHY this happens in the first place.


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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 3:09:25 AM   
michaelm75au


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Status: offline 		Sorry, could I have one before. Looks like the bad fragment is the one already unloaded.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 3:23:14 AM   
witp1951


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Sorry, could I have one before. Looks like the bad fragment is the one already unloaded.



Is this the turn you need?

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 3:34:27 AM   
michaelm75au


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Status: offline 		That fragment is already is in Truk before TF arrives.
Don't bother trying to look at every save.

I'll see if there is anyway that the code could use the wrong id.

Actually your save from turn 10 has a couple of fragments going to Truk from damaged ships. These might be the guys. I'll play a few turns till they land.

Yep. That became the orphaned fragment. I'll look back thru those saves, but it might be as you said when the fragment was picked up. Funny thing is that the parent was in the TF when it landed but not there no -- so could be another instance of parent-fragment swapping that misses an attribute/element.

It is trying to swap the frag/parent as part of the unloading sequence. This seems to be causing confusion somehow and the original unloading fragment loses it's parent connection. Removing the swap at this time seems to correct the problem and the parent (which was on the TF) is swapped at the end of the turn as expected.

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 3:54:12 AM   
witp1951


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Status: offline 		Thanks, Michael.

I'll disband the fragment. (After I use it to help take Rabaul of course.)

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RE: Is there any way I can fix this? - 2/26/2012 7:09:59 AM   
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