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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 7:14:38 PM

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The latest offer from the Apaches is a hot dog stand at Tempe stadium and 20 Winchester repeating rifles. Still too high. Looks like Admirar Rord Nerson will be staying with the Apache for a while longer.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 7:42:27 PM

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The situation as of Dec. 26. No sign of Musashi or the LYB carriers. Extra PBY's to Gove so they don't sneak up on us again...maybe.

Wyndham is still dangerous and we will be within range of Koepang with Zero escort today. Still, we cant sit around on our thumbs forever. The defeat of Yamato is a big relief.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 7:45:18 PM

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MC Supervisor SPrior...when do we get to know where the missiles were aimed? You can just say the first letter if you will have to kill us or if Scotland Yard will be after you. Is it an "M"?

Seems a bit daft if you ask me. Why would the Brits want to shoot up Minneapolis? Mobile? Memphis?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 7:48:27 PM

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The situation as of Dec. 26. No sign of Musashi or the LYB carriers. Extra PBY's to Gove so they don't sneak up on us again...maybe.

Wyndham is still dangerous and we will be within range of Koepang with Zero escort today. Still, we cant sit around on our thumbs forever. The defeat of Yamato is a big relief.

I'd feel a whole lot better about your incoming amphibious group if you could tell me something about Timor and your broad Northern flank. Any last minute recon on Lautem, Koepang or other SW DEI IJ FOBs?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 7:51:02 PM

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MC Supervisor SPrior...when do we get to know where the missiles were aimed? You can just say the first letter if you will have to kill us or if Scotland Yard will be after you. Is it an "M"?

Seems a bit daft if you ask me. Why would the Brits want to shoot up Minneapolis? Mobile? Memphis?

Maybe they are still sore about our sharpshooters targeting their officers at Saratoga? It was a bit unchivalrous, although entirely justified with that stupid tea tarrif, if you ask me.

I predict he will either pretend he didn't see the question or pretend he didn't know or pehaps use something scripted like, "Her Majesty government declines to disclose that information"

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:07:00 PM

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The situation as of Dec. 26. No sign of Musashi or the LYB carriers. Extra PBY's to Gove so they don't sneak up on us again...maybe.

Wyndham is still dangerous and we will be within range of Koepang with Zero escort today. Still, we cant sit around on our thumbs forever. The defeat of Yamato is a big relief.

I'd feel a whole lot better about your incoming amphibious group if you could tell me something about Timor and your broad Northern flank. Any last minute recon on Lautem, Koepang or other SW DEI IJ FOBs?

The PB4Y's were supposed to fly over Koepang yesterday. I don't think it happened...weather...union work stoppage? I am having trouble keeping the damn things in the air. Dobo was supposed to be operational by now but that didnt quite work out as planned.

Lautem is only level 1. I think the crusier group near Babar came from Kendari. Sorong and Ambon only have submarine pickets. There are 3 Catalinas at Merauke. I realize that is skimpy but Merauke is packed with B-17's. It is, after all still 1942 and we have been pushing hard for some time. We are essentially out of opeartional P-38's, Beaufighters, and have dwindling numbers of B-17's. In retrospect, I might have sent a surface picket up toward Dobo.

There is a planned smackdown of Wyndham today but the raid yesterday got weather scrubbbed. There is significant risk to this but the payoff could be big.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:17:46 PM

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****************18:00 Dec 26-18:00 Dec 17************

Darwin/Bathurst: Previosu reports of no minefield at Darwin were erroneous. Also, Oyoshio is snooping around on a suicide mission...but lives to fight another day.

TF 392 encounters mine field at Darwin (76,124)

Allied Ships
YMS-94
YMS-84

20 mines cleared

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Darwin at 76,124, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Oyashio

Allied Ships
YMS-84, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
YMS-94, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Note that there are no CD guns at Darwin.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:25:20 PM

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Apparently, Oyoshio tries to exit to the West and runs into USS Kane trying to do the squat and run.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Darwin at 75,123, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Oyashio

Allied Ships
DM Kane, Shell hits 2, on fire

Don't know if the squat protion of the mission was a success. The "run" part was executed flawlessly.

Next Oyoshio is back at Darwin and USS Montgomery is trying to run East.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Darwin at 75,124, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Oyashio

Allied Ships
DM Montgomery

Just noticed it's Oyashio not Oyoshio. Maybe there are two of them. Thankfully, at least one seem out of ammo.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:28:41 PM

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Previously damaged CM is likely finished off.

Submarine attack near Koepang at 71,120

Japanese Ships
CM Wakataka, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Pike

I think these are the escorts fo the cruiser group hit off Babar yesterday and now retreating toward Kendari.

ASW attack near Lautem at 73,113

Japanese Ships
DD Tanikaze
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
SS S-46

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:30:12 PM

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Looks like damged ships fleeing Darwin.

Submarine attack near Darwin at 75,123

Japanese Ships
DD Kuroshio, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-32

This is the surface escort for the 85 ship Amphbious Group. They should have picked on the merchies.

ASW attack near Bathurst Island at 78,122

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
BC Repulse
CL Concord
CL Hobart
CL Perth
DD Sterett
DD Stack
DD Nestor
DD Encounter

USS Kane was being a good citizen, going back to port and then this happened.

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
DM Kane, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:35:01 PM

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The sun comes up and the B-24's do some damage at Wyndham.

Morning Air attack on Wyndham , at 70,127

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 58

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 9 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:39:28 PM

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Here come the LYB's. They go after the Amphibious Group. Not very good CAP bleed-over from the carriers to the N. The Beaufighters and soem the F4F's are from Gove. I suspect the attack came from Kopeang but not sure where the Oscars came from. Not sure who was aboard Rodham Coleman either.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 76,124

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
G4M1 Betty x 12
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 4
Beaufighter Ic x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AP W.A. Holbrook
AK Electra
xAK Rodman Coleman, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
BB Maryland

Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:42:25 PM

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Here come the balsa wood (impregnated with gasoline) Nells. Good escort but there is a serious CAP too. They go after Irrustrious which is supposed to be back in Gibraltar in a spell. Whew! Admiral Lord SPrior would have had some 'splaining to do.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bathurst Island at 78,122

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28
G3M2 Nell x 15

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 11
Martlet II x 18
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 8 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Illustrious

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 8:52:10 PM

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Huh? Darwin? Darwin? Hory Crap! The 8th Marine Def Bn. did not get the memo. They were in a separate TF from Horn Is. Doh! When we find out who is responsible for this there will be a very stern talking-to...I promise.

Pre-Invasion action off Darwin (76,124)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

42 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-517
xAK Somelsdijk, Shell hits 1

SC-517 fired at enemy troops
10cm T14 AA Gun battery firing at xAK Somelsdijk
75mm T90 Field Gun battery firing at xAK Somelsdijk
75mm Infantry Gun battery firing at xAK Somelsdijk

The Imperiar Command will think we did this on purpose.

Serious intel on the LYB forces at Darwin

Ground combat at Darwin (76,124)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13294 troops, 116 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 556

Defending force 104 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
38th/A Division
18th Tank Regiment
4th Engineer Co
38th/B Division
22nd Ind.AA Gun Co
53rd JNAF AF Unit
107th JAAF AF Bn
52nd JNAF AF Unit
5th Div /2

Defending units:
8th Marine Def Bn /1

So that is 2 regiments of 38th Div, an independant brigade and some Ronsons.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 9:07:00 PM

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"Paging Dr. Larry, paging Dr. Moe, paging Dr. Curly"

The Torres St. Bn Arrives at Bathurst without opposition and promptly falls onto the punji sticks set out by Fr. O'Brien.

They are so shocked by the opposition, they forget to attack. Bathurst remains in the caring hands of the Catholic Church.

Amphibious Assault at Bathurst Island (76,123)

TF 379 troops unloading over beach at Bathurst Island, 76,123

Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

11 troops of a AIF Inf Section 42 accidentally lost during unload of Torres
Strait Bn
11 troops of a AIF Inf Section 42 accidentally lost during unload of Torres
Strait Bn

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 9:10:03 PM

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Remember those poor, crazy SOB LYB's isolated and cut off near Kineko? Apparently they just LOVE shoe leather soup and did not get the memo either.

Ground combat at Kienko (78,41)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 16821 troops, 114 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 587

Defending force 3022 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Japanese adjusted assault: 918

Allied adjusted defense: 15

Japanese assault odds: 61 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
479 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2215 casualties reported
Squads: 114 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 33 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 44 (21 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 9:17:04 PM

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Burma:

JJ seems to have begun moving planes away from Mandaray but there are still damaged airframes on the ground.

Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 5000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 5 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 14

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 9:33:09 PM

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So it turns out JJ has more dedicated combat troops at Katherine than they do at Darwin. Seems to me that means the plan worked...so far*.

* Except for the part about the coastal defence guns and AA troops landing a day earlier than the rest of the 85K.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 10:07:38 PM

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*********Curio Shop, Tawi Tawi Resort, Dec. 27, 1942(c)********

<A sizable line of injured men in Australian uniforms form a queue. A man with a clerical collar and black robe stands near the cash register.>

Fr. O'Brien: <he shouts> Standard field dressings $10, sulfa powder $15 per vial, we can negotiate on morphine. All donations are tax deductible and go to a good cause. God bless you all. <directs his attention to a man in line> You there! No bleeding in the curio shop. You'all have to wait outside. Thank you.

Come on lads. Don't be shy. We are here to help. Also, if you are feeling better we now offer double scoops of ice cream next door for $1. All proceeds go to the Tawi Tawi War Orphan Fund. We want to be reay in case there are any.....

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 10:40:25 PM

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Hi Cap,

There is one thing u and the Birthday child might wana consider. Cuz of the early "scouting" in Darwin and jap gets a chance to attack there next turn. That could have the consequence that if u unload in next turn, but only "partially or what ever u might be exposed to an attack with high disruption cuz of unloading. So if u get a partial unload u might get defeated in detail.

This isnt a certain thing, depending on if he tries to attack, u unload capacity and so on. There could be merit in not unloading in the next turn, but there are dangers in it too so its not a clear cut thing. It could even work too ur advantage if he attacks and u get lots of AV offloaded. Just wanted to give a heads up.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 11:24:29 PM

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Birthday child? Birthday child? <looks it up>

Why yes! You are right. Happy Cinco de Mayo compadre!

Or as President Obama calls it, "Cinco de Cuatro".

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/5/2012 11:28:45 PM

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I have experienced that invasion interruptis attack thingy. In a Marianas Scenario as Japan, the Arries were stumbling ashore chaotically (or at least it seemed that way) and had only a small number of troops ashore. I ordered a shock attack by the entire garrison but by the time of the attack there were thousands of Marines ashore and it was a disaster.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 1:05:48 AM

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I have experienced that invasion interruptis attack thingy. In a Marianas Scenario as Japan, the Arries were stumbling ashore chaotically (or at least it seemed that way) and had only a small number of troops ashore. I ordered a shock attack by the entire garrison but by the time of the attack there were thousands of Marines ashore and it was a disaster.

Hmmm...yes. Seems as I recall something like that happening too.

The invasion interruptus defense must not be defended in depth to be effective.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 1:06:37 AM

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*********Curio Shop, Tawi Tawi Resort, Dec. 27, 1942(c)********

<A sizable line of injured men in Australian uniforms form a queue. A man with a clerical collar and black robe stands near the cash register.>

Fr. O'Brien: <he shouts> Standard field dressings $10, sulfa powder $15 per vial, we can negotiate on morphine. All donations are tax deductible and go to a good cause. God bless you all. <directs his attention to a man in line> You there! No bleeding in the curio shop. You'all have to wait outside. Thank you.

Come on lads. Don't be shy. We are here to help. Also, if you are feeling better we now offer double scoops of ice cream next door for $1. All proceeds go to the Tawi Tawi War Orphan Fund. We want to be reay in case there are any.....

Better clarify pronto, Father. Is that WWIIc Australian dollars or $USD?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 1:56:42 AM

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The latest offer from the Apaches is a hot dog stand at Tempe stadium and 20 Winchester repeating rifles. Still too low. Looks like Admirar Rord Nerson will be staying with the Apache for a while longer.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 3:47:43 AM

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Hi Cap,

There is one thing u and the Birthday child might wana consider. Cuz of the early "scouting" in Darwin and jap gets a chance to attack there next turn. That could have the consequence that if u unload in next turn, but only "partially or what ever u might be exposed to an attack with high disruption cuz of unloading. So if u get a partial unload u might get defeated in detail.

This isnt a certain thing, depending on if he tries to attack, u unload capacity and so on. There could be merit in not unloading in the next turn, but there are dangers in it too so its not a clear cut thing. It could even work too ur advantage if he attacks and u get lots of AV offloaded. Just wanted to give a heads up.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

I'm thinking the opposite. If enough troops get ashore in good enough condition, plus the Imperials are disrupted by air attacks, then an Imperial attack could be disastrous for the Empire.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 8:03:39 AM

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I predict he will either pretend he didn't see the question or pretend he didn't know or pehaps use something scripted like, "Her Majesty government declines to disclose that information"

Which question am I supposed to be answering?

If you're refering to the targeting question then I worked on the launch systems, not fire control. However why would you do this if you're target wasn't defended by ABMs when both sides were only allowed one ABM site and the Russian Galosh system was around a place beginning with M?

If you're refering to your question then it's okay because:

a. Nobody likes officers and
b. We came back in 1814 and burned down the Whitehouse:

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 8:58:37 AM

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I always wondered about that "shooting the officers" thing.. So the regular soldier is allowed to be shot on but the officers are not?

Dressing up in those bright red uniforms is ASKING to be shot at...

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 9:31:16 AM

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Why do you look like Stephen Fry?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/6/2012 9:49:26 AM

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Thats Karel Doorman actually!

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