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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 4:10:26 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 4:57:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

This left the fast BB's free to bombard..which they did at night with great effect.

Night Naval bombardment of Darwin at 76,124

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 50 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 19 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-30 Ann: 7 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 3 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Indiana
BB Washington
DD Dewey
DD Benham
DD Lansdowne
DD Buchanan

Japanese ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (4 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Wow! Never saw so many aircraft destroyed or damaged in one bbdmt. Must have been wayyyy overstacked.
What kind of damage did it do to the [soon to be your] airfield and hangars?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 5:32:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

This left the fast BB's free to bombard..which they did at night with great effect.

Night Naval bombardment of Darwin at 76,124

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 50 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 19 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-30 Ann: 7 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 3 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Indiana
BB Washington
DD Dewey
DD Benham
DD Lansdowne
DD Buchanan

Japanese ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (4 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Wow! Never saw so many aircraft destroyed or damaged in one bbdmt. Must have been wayyyy overstacked.
What kind of damage did it do to the [soon to be your] airfield and hangars?



I have noticed that "damaged" claims often seem to be highly exaggerated. Perhaps they represent the same aircraft being damaged more than once (and thus more seriously) or are just highly inflated.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 6:04:15 PM   
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Young man in fine linen slacks (with Cuban cigar): <on phone> Yes, General, I completely understand. The Tojo is very expensive....


Yes, yes, and Japan has limited economic resources....


Well, General, I don't think that is quite fair. Our agreement states that we will notify you when a strike is taking off from Alice or Merauke. the US Navy was NOT in the scope of the contract....

I think you are on thin ice there General. I ran this by DC&H already.....

General, regardless, if you desire prior warning for naval bombardments we will have to negotiate a rider....

No, not that kind of rider, it is an appendix to the contract....

Very well, I will have Mr. Howe get right on it. Now, General, to help you to reduce the element of chance..and to preserve your rank, I am going to suggest you consider investing in aircraft damage futures....

No...aircraft....damage...futures. In this fashion, with a small fee, the risk to the Empire of Japan can be spread to tother investors.....

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 7:24:12 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 8:03:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wait...do you mean an option to purchase control of Darwin at price X on or before Jan 31?

I don't think we, as the Arries, are going to pay much for that.

I suppose you are speaking as a JFB investor?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 8:13:52 PM   
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<Mayan discarding small figurine with broken ankle>

She knew before you did...




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A brush with the law..... - 5/14/2012 10:46:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of my colleagues, who is about 6ft 1, kinda hunched over, maybe 140 lbs., late 50's, 2 hair comb-over and never met a photon he liked...a non-threatening physical specimen....went down the street to get himself an In-and-Out burger at lunch...finished his burger and was sitting in his 4 year old white Camry reading a paper...


So far so good, right?


That is where you would be wrong. It seems the poor bastard decided to park in front a jewelry store and the owner called the police to report someone "casing" his establishment.

Three police cars converge on his car without sirens...draw their guns and then one of them yells..."Get out of the care mother-****er, keep your hands where we can see them and put both hands on the roof of your car...NOW!"




Someboy has been watching too much television.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/14/2012 11:48:07 PM   
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 14
Wellington Ic x 10


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

Quite an effective raid...from 5000 ft no less.

Several Hurricane sweeps over Shwebo seem to break in our favor.


Somewhere (not quite sure where): Ground combat at Ansi (80,23) we lose the town. Hope it wasnt too important.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 5:58:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Somewhere (not quite sure where): Ground combat at Ansi (80,23) we lose the town. Hope it wasnt too important.

They are cutting your northern supply route to China. They'll be hell to pay when Mrs. Chang can't get her deliveries of new fashions.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 2:30:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Air losses from the 27th. The Zeroes and Wildcats and Bettys are from the furball over Darwin and Bathurst. This is why the carriers had to rest their air groups a bit.

Not sure what happened to the Helens. They may have died of embarrassment from the stupid name.

Turn has evidently not left the M40 yet. I fear the LYB commanders are suffering from some morale issues. Things are not going well in Northern Oz for them, of late. Darwin in peril. Sitzkrieg at Port Headrand while the Arries grow stronger. Yamato smashed very badly. Zereos and Tojos and Bettys burning or dented all over the prace. then there is the new (and costly) rider on the intel contract with M&M.




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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 2:31:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Somewhere (not quite sure where): Ground combat at Ansi (80,23) we lose the town. Hope it wasnt too important.

They are cutting your northern supply route to China. They'll be hell to pay when Mrs. Chang can't get her deliveries of new fashions.


The Baaahhhstards!

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 2:44:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		*******With 32th Australian Infantry Bn., 120 mi. W of Daly Waters, Dec. 29, 1942*******


Bn. HQ hanger-on: Sir, a couple of the men and me was wondering if "Thirty twoth" is really a proper name for a battalion?

Lt. Col. Ludlow: I'm not sure I follow you son.

Bn. HQ hanger-on: Well, sir, it's just that "Thirty second" sounds better.

Lt. Col. Ludlow: Hmmm. Well, I'm sure there is some historical reason. I can't imagine a man like General Blamey would permit us to go into the field unless all the "t"'s were crossed....

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 2:55:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh, it looks like you lost the entire Chinese Air Force today to ops losses. Were they by any chance at Ansi and unable to fly anywhere else?

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 3:08:46 PM   
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Uh, it looks like you lost the entire Chinese Air Force today to ops losses. Were they by any chance at Ansi and unable to fly anywhere else?


Mule train accident in the Yangtzee Gorge. It's really to soon to talk about it.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 3:20:27 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 3:46:50 PM   
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..Dec 29-Jan 2...Naval bombardment runs on Darwin. Continued attacks on Darwin and Wyndham airfields. Conversion to ground attack when airfield fully destroyed. Continued artillery bombardments at Darwin. Air to grounf attacks at Katherine.

~Jan 3...Carriers (less Illustrious which will will have to go back to Sydney) return to cover landing of engineers and supplies at Bathrust and Saumlaki and support troops and supplies at Darwin.

~Jan 4-5...Gove goes to level 3 airfiled.

~Jan 8-9...Bathurst level 1 airfield

~Jan 10...Ground offensive at Darwin. Saumlaki level 1

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 3:56:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		When Darwin falls, Katherine will become indefensible and the potent forces stuck at Katherine will begin to draw supply from Darwin. We won't need both Australian divisions, the Marines and British 32nd to bottle them up in Wyndham. Probably the restricted Australian units can do that.

That brings up the question of what to do with the 3 Commonwealth divisions.


Should we push up toward the PI with everything that is in Oz now plus the USMC?

Should we land the Commonwealth divisions in Burma or Siam and unhinge the LYB defences there?

Sumatra perhaps and then take down Palembang by air?

I vote for something aggressive.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 7:24:24 PM   
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Or Maybe Sumatra - Java - Malaya-by-Sea

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 7:27:06 PM   
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Malaya-by-Sea


I think John Clese was born there.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 9:35:19 PM   
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Sumatra and then Borneo!

Or Maybe Sumatra - Java - Malaya-by-Sea


The "Western" coast of Sumatra seems safer than Burma, although Burma, with a large enough force is a catastrophe for Japan. Sumatra is not so much fun for them either.

Seems like we could just show up there with complete surprise, or more likely, be spotted one day out.

How about this? When Darwin falls, the Aus I Corps starts prepping for whatever the landing beach is to be in Sumatra. That would put the landing at least 60 days from now even if you went without British 2nd Div.

There is an RN carrier arriving at the Panama Canal in 50 days. The first Essex hull isn't till May.

If they are still extant, the two USN CV's could cover the landing. In the mean time, I will push the Marines as far North toward the PI as possible.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 9:37:09 PM   
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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 9:40:39 PM   
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although Burma, with a large enough force is a catastrophe for Japan


I was looking at Ramree Island as a landing point but the RN is all in oz now so there'd be no covering force, which would be suicide.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 9:48:45 PM   
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What about Koepang and neighbours?


I have at least one regiment prepping for Lautem. I figure Koepang is pretty well guarded. JJ has a string of level 3-4 airbases in the lesser Sundas. I was thinking along Western New Guinea, Sorong, Ambon as the best axis. Also a good way to trap the 1 1/2 divisions on Bobo.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 9:53:29 PM   
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although Burma, with a large enough force is a catastrophe for Japan


I was looking at Ramree Island as a landing point but the RN is all in oz now so there'd be no covering force, which would be suicide.


Can you walk anywhere from Ramree? On the game map, I mean.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 9:55:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, it's a river that cuts it off from the mainland. The main thing it does is unhinge any defence based around Mandalay.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 10:05:50 PM   
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Yes, it's a river that cuts it off from the mainland. The main thing it does is unhinge any defence based around Mandalay.


Also NY59Giants has remarked in my AAR that Ramree Island is a supply Gateway to all of Burma. Take and build a port here and supply is accomplished. I have not done this so I cannot verify, but it makes sense.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 10:21:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sprior

Yes, it's a river that cuts it off from the mainland. The main thing it does is unhinge any defence based around Mandalay.


Also NY59Giants has remarked in my AAR that Ramree Island is a supply Gateway to all of Burma. Take and build a port here and supply is accomplished. I have not done this so I cannot verify, but it makes sense.

Yes it is a supply gateway, but not unbridled. First off it's a lousy port so you have to build build build. Second, the first hex is a no-road jungle crossing. After that you get to a poor road (bright red). If you hold Prome the road goes there. If not, it's another no-road jungle crossing to get to the plain.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 10:30:25 PM   
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Yes, it's a river that cuts it off from the mainland. The main thing it does is unhinge any defence based around Mandalay.


Especially with two full IJA divisions sitting in blocking positions in the jungle on the Indian border and quite a large force up the Burma trail. They would have to give up their positions I think.

You would need a ton of war canoes as that would take maybe 4 or 5 divisions plus armor (JJ can get there pretty fast by rail). It would also be LBA Hell. I think you would need all the carriers or a protracted airfield suppression campaign.

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RE: Hearts and Minds - 5/15/2012 10:34:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sprior

Yes, it's a river that cuts it off from the mainland. The main thing it does is unhinge any defence based around Mandalay.


Also NY59Giants has remarked in my AAR that Ramree Island is a supply Gateway to all of Burma. Take and build a port here and supply is accomplished. I have not done this so I cannot verify, but it makes sense.

Yes it is a supply gateway, but not unbridled. First off it's a lousy port so you have to build build build. Second, the first hex is a no-road jungle crossing. After that you get to a poor road (bright red). If you hold Prome the road goes there. If not, it's another no-road jungle crossing to get to the plain.


What about Moulmein or the one further South? Seems to me you want something with an airfield pronto because there are half a dozen good sized air bases in range.

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