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Air Combat - 2.1 OUCH!!!!!! - 11/30/2002 8:49:35 PM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		This is disturbing in the extreme:

These planes were at ZERO fatigue. I have the saved file if anyone wishes to see it. The allied planes have been flying CAP
everyday. I had delibretly downed all planes waiting for a clear weather day. These were not some exp 35 student pilots.
These were veteran carrier Zeros. Note the date and the weather.

I suspect the majority of the allied losses were caused by
the bombing. The raid originated at Rabual.





AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/09/42

Weather: Clear

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 102
G3M Nell x 50
G4M1 Betty x 26

Allied aircraft
P-400 Airacobra x 9
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Kittyhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 35 destroyed
G3M Nell x 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra x 7 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra x 2 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 7 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 4 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 5 damaged
F-5A Lightning x 1 destroyed
Hudson x 1 destroyed
Hudson x 1 damaged

1LT J.Gold of 36th FS is credited with kill number 3

SLDR D.Fitzgibbon of No. 76 Sqn RAAF bails out WOUNDED and is RESCUED


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 26

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 21

Attacking Level Bombers:
5 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
18 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
15 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
5 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
20 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
7 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet

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- 11/30/2002 8:58:57 PM   
Inigo Montoya

 

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Status: offline 		This is most disheartening. I hope it was a fluke...

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- 11/30/2002 10:45:17 PM   
Deathifier

 

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Status: offline 		Hey I want those allied pilots!

The three times that kind of situation happened to me I ended up without many fighters left and downed maybe 5 or 6 zeros and a couple of bombers :/

And that was with only 30-40 zero's attacking...

Strange how there were no damaged zero's, just those destroyed.

Was FOW on or off, and did you check that you actually lost that many?

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- 11/30/2002 10:45:51 PM   
USSMaine

 

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Status: offline 		So far what I seen is very good - but I haven't seen a strike of that magnitude yet. Mostly trading around 5:1 Allied planes to Zeroes by the looks of things.

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- 11/30/2002 10:56:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Was FOW on or off, and did you check that you actually lost that many? [/QUOTE]

Yep, curious about that.

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- 11/30/2002 11:11:37 PM   
David Heath


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Status: offline 		We played many many battles and every now and then you will get a one sided result. Not every battle should be a Midway but it can happen. You will need to re-learn some of the tactics you been using in the pass.

Please note that air units getting "turning back" will not have flak attack them as was happening in older versions. The bottom line is this if we feel this is a real problem we will look into and as always correct the issue. Everyone please do us a MAJOR favor, read all the changes made and play the game. Do not base your whole feelings on one battle.

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re: David Heath - 11/30/2002 11:42:35 PM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		I post soley because I realize that I am not infallible. It is my hope that other players will give further info. Yes I am a harsh
critic at times. It is because I want the game to work that
I post.

FOW == I am not sure if its on or off

Actual Losses == 34 Zeros

33% losses is more than I can replace. It means that I cant bomb
PM at least not at 6k feet. It may also mean that I have mauled
my CV zeros.

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re: losses - 11/30/2002 11:43:59 PM   
Chiteng

 

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at Isnandwana

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- 11/30/2002 11:51:43 PM   
David Heath


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I do not mind the posts all I am saying is that I did not see those results and a few of the gamers have said the same. I also agree that it does not mean it did not happen.

Try a different tactic maybe bombing higher at first then once the base is damaged then try bombing lower.

We put our hearts into this patch and we feel you have a much balanced and enjoyable game. Remember we love this game and will do what we need to make the game better as we go.

David

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- 11/30/2002 11:51:47 PM   
Marc von Martial


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]FOW == I am not sure if its on or off [/QUOTE]

Well that is very crucial to know before you say "OUCH" when reading combat results ;)

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re: well - 12/1/2002 12:29:01 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		well the reported losses were 35 zeros
and the actual losses were 34.
Not alot of difference

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next days - 12/1/2002 12:43:32 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		After a few days I tried again.
This time the strike was at 15k and the escorts at 17k
(A suggestion from Mogami)
The idea then being that the defending CAP is less effective
at this altitude. Cant tell by me.

The Fatigue at the start was around 10 for all units.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/11/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 95
G3M Nell x 47
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
P-400 Airacobra x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Kittyhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 11 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 2 damaged
G3M Nell x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra x 3 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 7 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 3 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 3 destroyed
Hudson x 1 destroyed
Hudson x 2 damaged

1LT J.Lopez of 36th FS is credited with kill number 3

CPT I.Bronson of 36th FS is KILLED


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 8

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 10

Attacking Level Bombers:
14 x G3M Nell at 15000 feet
20 x G3M Nell at 15000 feet
27 x G4M1 Betty at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 15000 feet
6 x G3M Nell at 15000 feet
4 x G3M Nell at 15000 feet

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My latest - 12/1/2002 1:31:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, From PBEM game with Erik R. I will most likely raise the altitude and assign another group to escort. But the air to air (fighter to fighter) was not so bad. Not enough escorts to keep him off my bombers. (your guys are doing a wonderfull job of protecting the bombers)
(what scenario gives all those bombers so early?)



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/14/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
G3M Nell x 34
G4M1 Betty x 11

Allied aircraft
P-400 Airacobra x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 22
P-40E Kittyhawk x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed
G3M Nell x 7 destroyed
G3M Nell x 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra x 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 5 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 9 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 3 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 5 damaged
B-25D Mitchell x 1 destroyed
B-25D Mitchell x 6 damaged

LTJG H.Nishiura of F1/Tainan Daitai is credited with kill number 3

LCDR K.Nishiura of G2/Genzan Daitai is KILLED


Allied ground losses:
Men lost 4

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Attacking Level Bombers:
10 x G3M Nell at 11000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 11000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty at 11000 feet
2 x G3M Nell at 11000 feet
12 x G3M Nell at 11000 feet

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re: Mogami - 12/1/2002 2:05:38 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		The Zero became ineffective above 20k so I dont really wish to assign an alt higher than that. The scenario is 19

I cant tell if the losses you show are by bombing or air-to-air

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Scen 19 - 12/1/2002 3:00:35 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, Wow I'm doing a scenario 19. Blasted variable arrival dates. I have yet to recieve any bomber groups.

The allied fighters are air to air the bombers were hit on the ground.

17k is about the highest I go. I just want the irondogs to have to climb to fight.

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Much better so far - 12/1/2002 4:39:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've only played the mini-Coral Sea battle so far, but from what i've seen, compared to the somewhat anemic 2.0, air to air combat just got alot more intense. I am seriously liking what i am seeing so far. My Coral Sea was downright vicious with many many individual plane attacks, claimed hits and damages.

Both sides did well and ironically, the battle was in many ways very close to the historical occurance. FlaK and heavy USN CAP took a nasty toll of Shokaku's air group, reducing total effectives to under half her original complement. Zuikaku fared better but recieved two 1000ILB'ers that badly damaged her flight deck and caused fires (small FLT damage whoo hoo! )

Shoho took one bomb that only appeared to cause SYS damage and a few fire levels....eventually put out but not immediately(whoo hoo x 2...like to see more of those hits on flight/armor decks/upper hull areas)

USN bombers suffered heavily, by my deliberate decision to hold back over 80% of my fighters for defence and the IJN CAP did well when they were in position to intercept. I like the flAk reduction too against bombers.....it had seemed a bit much even for light TF's in earlier incarnations but I'd kept silent on it as i wasn't sure it needed addressing.

Port Morosby.

Chiting may find this interesting. I had forgotton to turn FOW off, and i moved the Tainen Air group to Lae and set them to sweeping Port at 20000 feet, knowing that there were as of yet few P-40's and the rest Le' Iron Dogs.

The combat reports were rather stunning at first......the 39's appeared to more than hold their own and i was perplexed at first, as i'd rested Tainen as well as adjusted their attack altitude. This went on for three attacks.

However in reality instead of half a dozen Zero's shot down.....it appears only one fell as Tainen was reduced by only one plane from 24 to 23 and their were no pilot KILLED msgs. However the same could not be said for the brave Aussies who lost several good pilots killed including the SQD commander.

Anyway, thats my initial 2.10 experience so far and I have to say i am seriously liking it! Especially as it appears to have addressed my concerns regarding unescorted or very lightly escorted bombing groups not getting knocked around a bit by angry fighters. Heck i even saw a battle royal where equal escorts and CAP battled and then elements of the CAP (USN) were still able to take some licks at portions of the bombers.

All in all a very intense fight

Final result: Coral Sea ala 'Nik'

sunk (two days after action)

Yorktown (fuel explosions x 2 critical hit.)
CA Australia (torpedoes)
DD Phelps

damaged

CV Lexington (moderate)(one torpedo one bomb)
CA Chigago ( severe)two or three bombs AP
CA Portland one bomb (it said 60kg!!!! for some reason)

CV Zuikaku Heavy damage (two bomb hits, heavy fires, result 57% SYS after FLT contained and eliminated)

CVL Shoho....light damage one 1000ILB, one possible 250ILB from a Hudson

DD Oite sunk

7 Transports very badly damaged, 1 or 2 sunk, 1 Minelayer sunk

Note on plane losses. Part of the reason for the heavier IJN plane losses was the AI's continued facination with PM....It staged several attacks and took some light losses....but losses that added up once the carrier clash concluded.

One sad note:

The pilot bug continues to sprout.....VT-5 diverted to Buna after Yorktown's crippling. Initial status was 7 ready, 1 damaged.

As Buna had no air support i immediately transfered them before they all went inactive. The transfer was successful but 0 pilots went with the 7 TBD's! leaving 8 pilots and 1 damaged TBD at Buna to fall to the Japanese.

Thus the 7 veteran surviving TBD's at PM recieved 7 new un-bloodied pilot.

Dont know if this bug appeared because the base had 0 aviation support or not, but it should not have mattered since the planes obviously flew (and it wasn't by remote control) and they were not damaged.

Not jumping up and down about this...Matrix has long admited that this bug is just proving harder to kill than a cockroach. Just wanted to let em know that it's still popping up in hard to reach places.

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MORE - 12/1/2002 6:51:40 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		This is from the same game:
A sweep from Lae the fatigue was at ZERO
Alt was 15k





AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/42

Weather: Overcast

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 4
P-400 Airacobra x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 4
P-40E Kittyhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway x 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 destroyed

SLDR K. Truscott of No. 76 Sqn RAAF is credited with kill number 3

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- 12/1/2002 7:13:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chiteng,

I have seen you posting horrible results in several threads now. Perhaps you are just cursed. I know I would not want to fly in any theater that you are in charge of! :D

But it occurs to me that I have seen results similar to yours when I have played against the AI with the difficulty setting set to "very hard". At that level, CAP and escort are almost a waste of time; the AI shoots down everything that moves.

Can you tell us what difficulty setting you are using, please?

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re: Cap and Gown - 12/1/2002 7:33:31 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		More of the same. I will check......

Hmmm ok it is on Very Hard...so I guess I will have eggs for dinner.

I will reset it and start over(argh)



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/06/42

Weather: Overcast

Air attack on Lae , at 9,33


Allied aircraft
P-40E Kittyhawk x 3
F-5A Lightning x 3
B-17E Fortress x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 11

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Gili Gili at 17,42

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 66

Allied aircraft
Hudson x 6
B-25D Mitchell x 4
B-26B Marauder x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson x 4 damaged
B-25D Mitchell x 2 destroyed
B-26B Marauder x 5 destroyed
B-26B Marauder x 4 damaged

PO2 K.Araki of EII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2

CPT G.Kellogg of 19th BS bails out and is CAPTURED

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CV Zuikaku
DD Ushio
CV Shokaku

Attacking Level Bombers:
0 x B-26B Marauder at 6000 feet
4 x Hudson at 6000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder at 6000 feet
0 x B-25D Mitchell at 6000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder at 6000 feet
2 x Hudson at 6000 feet

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- 12/1/2002 9:41:17 AM   
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[B]We put our hearts into this patch and we feel you have a much balanced and enjoyable game. Remember we love this game and will do what we need to make the game better as we go.

David [/B][/QUOTE]

We know David. It shows. . .

That's why we keep coming back for more. . . heh

Now you guys go get some sleep. . .

Cheers!

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DUH! - 12/2/2002 3:00:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chiteng, nothing personal mate, but DUH!, hope the eggs taste OK.

Think the new patch is superb, I wonder if a certain sniper from the hills will finally buy this game now, seeing how battle results are really starting to reflect historical results, hey Miehdl?

Ps Beer is good:D

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heh - 12/2/2002 3:41:28 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Still it is **** hard to play on Very Hard.

So far I have not had the chance to try a naval rumble.

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- 12/2/2002 5:48:04 PM   
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you wrote that wrong

Still it is **** HARD to play on Very HARD

you know better :)

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opps, never could spell right :)

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- 12/2/2002 6:01:01 PM   
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"It is **** hard to play on very hard."

**** = very

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- 12/2/2002 6:07:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
[B]Ahhhh.... I see.

"It is **** hard to play on very hard."

**** = very [/B][/QUOTE]


no he means hard = HARD

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- 12/2/2002 7:37:58 PM   
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escorts not showing up? - 12/2/2002 7:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had in my most recent game (camapign # 17, beginning of may '42) twice that in an attack on Pt Moresby my escorts didn't show up. Twice the Betty's and Nell's went in without escort and were chewed up badly, even by P-39's and P-400's (losing 23 bombers in the first raid, 10 in the second).

The fact that I lose that many is not so strange (both structurally very weak aircraft), but it is strange that my Zero's didn't show up. I had 25 of them available, with only 20% CAP over Rabaul, so between 15 and 20 should have flown with the bombers.

I haven't saved this (or the combat report), but checked available aircraft the next day and saw that I had lost 8 aircraft per squadron bombers.

Has anyone seen this happen? I don't know if this was just a quirk, or "intentionally" by the programm. This way, I am not sure I can send out my bombers again. The Jap bombers really [B]need[/B] escorting fighter to keep damage as low as possible.

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- 12/2/2002 7:48:38 PM   
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[QUOTE]Still it is **** hard to play on Very Hard. [/QUOTE]


Well it´s supposed to be so ;)

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- 12/2/2002 8:11:04 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/09/42

Weather: Overcast

Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
A6M3 Zero x 37
G3M Nell x 13
G4M1 Betty x 18
J1N1-R Irving x 1

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 53
P-40E Kittyhawk x 25
P-39D Airacobra x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 25 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 14 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged
G3M Nell x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 5 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra x 25 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 11 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 13 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 4 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 5 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged
A-20B Havoc x 1 destroyed
A-20B Havoc x 3 damaged

CPT C. King of 39th FS is credited with kill number 4

CDR Y. Kozono of F1/Tainan Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6

Attacking Level Bombers:
5 x G4M1 Betty at 8000 feet
12 x G3M Nell at 8000 feet
7 x G4M1 Betty at 8000 feet

ahhh, a shame, Cpt King must of Crashed on landing, as he is KIA now, thinking that raid was suppost to hit the landing froce at Luga, but bad weather in the area, so turned to PM instead, the 39/40's had Alt, but the Zeros were able to protect the bombers

the 2 P-40's squadrons were just moved in the other day
75 RAAF got 7 kills
76 RAAF got 17 kills

HARD_Sarge

ROFLMFA, thanks for the replies to the other post

edit
expect some FOW on that report, I "only" lost 10 P-40's at the end of the day

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Re: escorts not showing up? - 12/2/2002 11:26:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by baskreuger
[B]I had in my most recent game (camapign # 17, beginning of may '42) twice that in an attack on Pt Moresby my escorts didn't show up. Twice the Betty's and Nell's went in without escort and were chewed up badly, even by P-39's and P-400's (losing 23 bombers in the first raid, 10 in the second).

The fact that I lose that many is not so strange (both structurally very weak aircraft), but it is strange that my Zero's didn't show up. I had 25 of them available, with only 20% CAP over Rabaul, so between 15 and 20 should have flown with the bombers.

I haven't saved this (or the combat report), but checked available aircraft the next day and saw that I had lost 8 aircraft per squadron bombers.

Has anyone seen this happen? I don't know if this was just a quirk, or "intentionally" by the programm. This way, I am not sure I can send out my bombers again. The Jap bombers really [B]need[/B] escorting fighter to keep damage as low as possible.

Bas [/B][/QUOTE]

I have had it happen a disasterous number of times. I have also had attacks where 60-70 Zeros escorted 6 Bettys while 40-50 Bettys stayed home (good morale and low fatigue). While this might seem great, the fatigue of all those Zero pilots (plus the pasting they got from P-39s) means I have to ground the 40-50 Bettys so they don't fly off without escort.:(

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