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RE: Downfall - 5/24/2012 11:39:04 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Need a play tester for the Hakko version I will take either side no issues either way and we play it out to look for bugs

p.s. not the version above I have a small mod still tomake to Japanese pilots

So if anyone is interested in test driving Hakko with me pick your side

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RE: Downfall - 5/24/2012 1:13:47 PM   
rjopel

 

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RE: Downfall - 5/24/2012 8:31:02 PM   
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RE: Downfall - 5/25/2012 12:53:28 PM   
rjopel

 

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Status: offline 		These LCU need to be updated to 1944/5 formations

ID Name Nation Type Location HQ
135 Far East USAAF US Army HQ Clark Field (79,76) Southwest Pacific
136 Seventh USAAF US Army HQ Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5002 102nd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Lahaina (182,108) Pacific Fleet
5003 103rd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Dutch Harbor (171,50) Pacific Fleet
5009 109th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Hilo (183,111) Pacific Fleet
5026 125th USAAF Base Force US Army Engineer Spokane (215,48) West Coast (R)
5028 127th USAAF Base Force US Army Engineer Pendleton (215,53) West Coast (R)
5032 131st USAAF Base Force US Army Engineer Boise (218,55) West Coast (R)
5035 Mare USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Mare Island (218,69) West Coast (R)
5053 111th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer San Francisco (218,70) Pacific Fleet
5055 101st USN Base Force US Navy Engineer San Diego (227,78) Pacific Fleet
5063 204th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Diego (227,78) West Coast (R)
5074 95th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Aparri (82,73) Pacific Fleet
5092 198th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Legaspi (82,82) South Pacific
5096 94th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Lingayen (79,75) Southwest Pacific
5097 197th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Eniwetok (127,108) Southwest Pacific
5098 208th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Naga (81,81) Southwest Pacific
5107 1st Marine Defense Battalion US Marines Artillery Eniwetok (127,108) South Pacific
5116 77th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Naha (95,66) South Pacific
5129 93rd Field AA Battalion US Army AA Batan Island (85,70) Pacific Fleet
5130 76th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Manila (79,77) South Pacific
5131 212th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Nago (95,65) Pacific Fleet
5172 257th USAAF Base Force US Army Engineer Nago (95,65) Southwest Pacific
5176 511th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Los Angeles (225,76) West Coast (R)
5177 12th Marine Defense Battalion US Marines Artillery Batan Island (85,70) Pacific Fleet
5180 258th USAAF Base Force US Army Engineer Tillamook (211,57) Southwest Pacific
5193 611th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Clark Field (79,76) Pacific Fleet
5214 608th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) West Coast (R)
5216 612th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) West Coast (R)
5218 610th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) South Pacific
5221 607th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) Southwest Pacific
5228 70/100th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) West Coast (R)
5241 738th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) West Coast (R)
5242 207th Field AA Battalion US Army AA San Francisco (218,70) West Coast (R)
5270 17th Marine Defense Battalion US Marines Artillery Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5459 220th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer San Francisco (218,70) West Coast (R)
5460 221st USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Santa Barbara (223,76) Pacific Fleet
5461 222nd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Woleai (101,103) Pacific Fleet
5462 223rd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Port Hueneme (224,76) Pacific Fleet
5463 224th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Ulithi (98,97) Pacific Fleet
5465 226th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Babeldaob (90,97) South Pacific
5466 227th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Yap (96,97) Southwest Pacific
5467 228th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Satawal (105,105) North Pacific
5468 229th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Naha (95,66) Pacific Fleet
5469 230th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Nago (95,65) West Coast (R)
5470 231st USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Nago (95,65) North Pacific
5471 232nd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Naha (95,66) Pacific Fleet
5474 233rd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Manila (79,77) Southwest Pacific
5475 234th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Guam (106,95) Pacific Fleet
5476 235th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Manila (79,77) Pacific Fleet
5477 236th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Alameda (219,70) Pacific Fleet
5478 237th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Manila (79,77) Pacific Fleet
5479 238th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Manila (79,77) Pacific Fleet
5480 239th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Manila (79,77) Southwest Pacific
5481 240th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Clark Field (79,76) Southwest Pacific
5482 241st USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Clark Field (79,76) South Pacific
5483 242nd USN Base Force US Navy Engineer Saipan (108,93) Southwest Pacific
5503 I Corps Artillery US Army Artillery Manila (79,77) I US Corps
5504 25th Infantry Division US Army Infantry Manila (79,77) I US Corps
5505 33rd Infantry Division US Army Infantry Manila (79,77) I US Corps
5506 41st Infantry Division US Army Infantry Manila (79,77) I US Corps
5507 767th Tank Tank Battalion US Army Armor Manila (79,77) I US Corps
5512 43rd Infantry Division US Army Infantry Manila (79,77) XI US Corps
5513 Americal Infantry Division US Army Infantry Manila (79,77) XI US Corps
5514 112th Cavalry Regiment US Army Cavalry Manila (79,77) XI US Corps
5516 XI Corps Artillery US Army Artillery Manila (79,77) XI US Corps
5519 762nd Tank Tank Battalion US Army Armor Manila (79,77) XI US Corps
5523 4th USMC Tank Tank Battalion US Marines Armor Manila (79,77) V US Amphib Corps
5524 5th USMC Tank Tank Battalion US Marines Armor Manila (79,77) V US Amphib Corps
5525 6th USMC Tank Tank Battalion US Marines Armor Manila (79,77) V US Amphib Corps
5534 IX Corps Artillery US Army Artillery Clark Field (79,76) IX US Corps (R)
5535 81st Infantry Division US Army Infantry Clark Field (79,76) IX US Corps (R)
5536 77th Infantry Division US Army Infantry Clark Field (79,76) IX US Corps (R)
5537 98th Infantry Division US Army Infantry Clark Field (79,76) IX US Corps (R)
5544 40th Infantry Division US Army Infantry Clark Field (79,76) Sixth US Army
5554 Oahu Harbor Defense US Army Coastal Defense Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5555 3rd Marine Defense Battalion US Marines Artillery Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5558 251st Field AA Battalion US Army AA Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5559 298th(Sep) Infantry Regiment US Army Infantry Hilo (183,111) Pacific Fleet
5568 64th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5569 97th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5570 98th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Pearl Harbor (180,107) Pacific Fleet
5578 255th USN Base Force US Navy Engineer San Francisco (218,70) South Pacific
5608 Puget Sound Defense US Army Coastal Defense Oak Harbor (210,51) West Coast (R)
5609 Columbia R Defenses US Army Coastal Defense Astoria (211,55) West Coast (R)
5639 XX US Bomber Cmnd US Army HQ Saipan (108,93) Twentieth USAAF
5640 58th Bomber Wing US Army HQ Saipan (108,93) XX US Bomber Cmnd
5641 73rd Bomber Wing US Army HQ Tinian (108,94) XX US Bomber Cmnd
5643 XXI US Bomber Cmnd US Army HQ Guam (106,95) Twentieth USAAF
5644 313th Bomber Wing US Army HQ Guam (106,95) XXI US Bomber Cmnd
5645 314th Bomber Wing US Army HQ Guam (106,95) XXI US Bomber Cmnd
5646 315th Bomber Wing US Army HQ Guam (106,95) XXI US Bomber Cmnd
5648 VII US Fgtr Cmnd US Army HQ Iwo-jima (108,77) Twentieth USAAF
5649 301st Fgtr Wing US Army HQ Iwo-jima (108,77) VII US Fgtr Cmnd
5663 205th Field AA Battalion US Army AA Iwo-jima (108,77) Twentieth USAAF
5669 V US Bomber Cmnd US Army HQ Naha (95,66) Fifth USAAF
5670 54th TC Wing US Army HQ Nago (95,65) Fifth USAAF
5671 V US Fighter Cmnd US Army HQ Nago (95,65) Fifth USAAF
5682 XIII US Bomber Cmnd US Army HQ Clark Field (79,76) Thirteenth USAAF
5683 XIII US Fighter Cmd US Army HQ Manila (79,77) Thirteenth USAAF
5810 X Corps Artillery US Army Artillery Naga (81,81) X US Corps
5811 763rd Tank Tank Battalion US Army Armor Naga (81,81) X US Corps
5819 XIII Corps Arty US Army Artillery Pearl Harbor (180,107) XIII US Corps
5829 6th Infantry Division US Army Infantry Iba (78,75) XIV US Corps
5830 32nd Infantry Division US Army Infantry Iba (78,75) XIV US Corps
5831 38th Infantry Division US Army Infantry Iba (78,75) XIV US Corps
5832 XIV Corps Artillery US Army Artillery Iba (78,75) XIV US Corps
5838 V Corps Artillery US Army Artillery Pearl Harbor (180,107) V US Corps
5844 754th Tank Tank Battalion US Army Armor Pearl Harbor (180,107) V US Corps
5849 XVIII Corps Arty US Army Artillery Delay 242 days XVIII US Airborne Corps
5875 1st USMC Tank Tank Battalion US Marines Armor Pearl Harbor (180,107) III US Amphib Force
5876 2nd USMC Tank Tank Battalion US Marines Armor Pearl Harbor (180,107) III US Amphib Force
5877 3rd USMC Tank Tank Battalion US Marines Armor Pearl Harbor (180,107) III US Amphib Force
5884 XXIV Corps Arty US Army Artillery Manila (79,77) XXIV US Corps
5911 766th Tank Tank Battalion US Army Armor San Francisco (218,70) XVIII US Corps
5931 24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment US Army Infantry Lingayen (79,75) II US Corps
5932 37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment US Army Infantry Legaspi (82,82) II US Corps
5933 102nd(Sep) Infantry Regiment US Army Infantry San Fernando (80,74) II US Corps
5934 147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment US Army Infantry Tuguegarao (82,74) II US Corps
5937 193rd Tank Tank Battalion US Army Armor Naha (95,66) Tenth US Army
5945 I Australian Corps Australian HQ Brunei (65,87) Tenth US Army
5947 7th Australian Division Australian Infantry Miri (64,87) I Australian Corps
5948 9th Australian Division Australian Infantry Tarakan (67,91) I Australian Corps
5952 2/4th Armoured Tank Regiment Australian Armor Samarinda (65,96) I Australian Corps
5953 2/9th Armoured Tank Regiment Australian Armor Tarakan (67,91) I Australian Corps
5954 2/7th Armoured Tank Regiment Australian Armor Tarakan (67,91) I Australian Corps
5968 6th RAAF Base Force Australian Engineer Tarakan (67,91)
5969 9th RAN Base Force Australian Engineer Tarakan (67,91)
5970 16th RAAF Base Force Australian Engineer Tarakan (67,91)
5973 20th RAAF Base Force Australian Engineer Laoag (81,72)
6246 2nd RNZAF Base Force New Zealand Engineer Delay 122 days 1 Group RNZAF
6247 3rd RNZAF Base Force New Zealand Engineer Delay 122 days
6249 5th RNZAF Base Force New Zealand Engineer Delay 122 days 1 Group RNZAF
6271 13th Canadian Brigade Canadian Infantry Vancouver (209,49) Canada Command (R)
6280 18th Canadian Brigade Canadian Infantry Victoria (209,51) Canada Command (R)
6281 19th Canadian Brigade Canadian Infantry Vancouver (209,49) Canada Command (R)
6302 Eighth USAAF 1st Division US Army HQ Pearl Harbor (180,107) Eighth USAAF
6303 Eighth USAAF 2nd Division US Army HQ Pearl Harbor (180,107) Eighth USAAF
6304 Eighth USAAF 3rd Division US Army HQ Pearl Harbor (180,107) Eighth USAAF
6308 XXII US Bomber Cmd US Army HQ Delay 14 days Eighth USAAF
6512 3rd Carabiniers Tank Regiment British Armor Delay 122 days 14th Army (R)
6524 5th Indian Division Indian Infantry Delay 122 days IV Indian Corps (R)
6784 II US Fighter Cmnd US Army HQ Seattle (212,52) Pacific Fleet
6786 VII US Fighter Cmnd US Army HQ Pearl Harbor (180,107) Seventh USAAF
6787 XI US Bomber Cmnd US Army HQ Adak Island (162,52) Eleventh USAAF

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RE: Downfall - 5/25/2012 12:54:27 PM   
rjopel

 

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From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
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ID Name Nation Type Location HQ
176 Eastern Command Australian HQ Delay 9999 days Australia Command (R)
177 Western Command Australian HQ Delay 9999 days Australia Command (R)
178 7th Mil. District Australian HQ Delay 9999 days Australia Command (R)
6008 13th Australian Brigade Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6013 1st Australian Division Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6021 2nd Australian Division Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6026 3rd Australian Division Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6031 4th Australian Division Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6037 5th Australian Division Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6055 30th Australian Brigade Australian Infantry Inactive Southwest Pacific
6062 Port Moresby Brigade Australian Infantry Inactive Australia Command (R)
6070 10th RAAF Base Force Australian Engineer Inactive Australia Command (R)
6075 1st RAN Base Force Australian Engineer Inactive Australia Command (R)
6082 3rd RAN Base Force Australian Engineer Inactive Australia Command (R)
6085 Tasmania Base Force Australian Engineer Inactive Australia Command (R)
6103 5th RAN Base Force Australian Engineer Inactive Australia Command (R)
6206 1st NZ Brigade New Zealand Infantry Inactive
6214 3rd NZ Brigade New Zealand Infantry Inactive

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RE: Downfall - 5/25/2012 12:55:45 PM   
rjopel

 

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Joined: 12/19/2007
From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
Status: offline 		ID Name Nation Type Location HQ
6788 XI US Fighter Cmnd US Army HQ Delay 9999 days Eleventh USAAF

This should be brought onto the map at Adak to accompany XI Bomber Command.

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RE: Downfall - 5/25/2012 1:52:18 PM   
rjopel

 

Posts: 614
Joined: 12/19/2007
From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
Status: offline 		The following CV Airgroup resizes need to be checked.


Object Name Alert Type Value
VF-1 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-3 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-6 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-7 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-9 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-10 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-11 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-12 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-13 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-14 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-16 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-18 Group size changed New size is 18
VB-80 Group size changed New size is 32
VT-80 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-81 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-82 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-83 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-84 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-85 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-86 Group size changed New size is 18
VF-93 Group size changed New size is 18

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RE: Downfall - 5/26/2012 12:35:21 AM   
rjopel

 

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From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
Status: offline 		Recommend moving an RAAF or Dutch fighter SQD to 731 Miri to protect the base which gets hammered on Day 1 by the AI. The base has a lvl 2 AF and enough AvnSpt on Day 1 to support operations. The Dutch forces need to be upgraded from the planes they start with before game start.

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RE: Downfall - 5/26/2012 5:55:29 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Joined: 5/12/2004
From: Alexandria, Scotland
Status: offline 		Thanks Rjopel

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RE: Downfall - 5/28/2012 1:02:02 AM   
rjopel

 

Posts: 614
Joined: 12/19/2007
From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
Status: offline 		Base 1168 Samarinda has air units present at Start but no Base Force to support them. Recommend adding/or moving a RAAF Base Force.

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RE: Downfall - 5/28/2012 2:47:16 AM   
rjopel

 

Posts: 614
Joined: 12/19/2007
From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
Status: offline 		These air groups need to have their start aircraft or upgrade paths looked at:
ID Name Model PDU Off Upgrade
1670 VF-17 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1A Corsair
1674 VF-66 F6F-5 Hellcat FR-1 Fireball
1675 VC-24 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-6 Dauntless
1676 VC-26 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-6 Dauntless
1677 VC-28 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-6 Dauntless
1691 VB-1 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
1692 VT-1 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1694 VF-2 F6F-5 Hellcat F4F-3A Wildcat
1695 VBF-2 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1697 VB-2 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-3 Dauntless
1698 VT-2 TBM-3 Avenger TBF-1 Avenger
1700 VF-3 F6F-5 Hellcat F4F-4 Wildcat
1703 VB-3 SBD-3 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
1704 VT-3 TBF-1 Avenger No upgrade
1706 VF-42 F6F-5 Hellcat F4F-4 Wildcat
1707 VBF-5 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1709 VB-5 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-5 Dauntless
1710 VT-5 TBM-3 Avenger TBF-1 Avenger
1712 VF-6 F6F-5 Hellcat No upgrade
1713 VBF-6 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1715 VB-6 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-3 Dauntless
1716 VT-6 TBF-1 Avenger No upgrade
1720 VB-7 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
1721 VT-7 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1723 VF-8 F6F-5 Hellcat F4F-4 Wildcat
1726 VB-8 SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-3 Dauntless
1727 VT-8 TBM-3 Avenger TBF-1 Avenger
1731 VB-9 SBD-3 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
1732 VT-9 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1735 VBF-10 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1736 VB-10 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
1741 VB-11 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
1742 VT-11 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1744 VF-12 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1746 VB-12 SB2C-1C Helldiver SB2C-3 Helldiver
1747 VT-12 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1750 VBF-13 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1751 VB-13 SB2C-1C Helldiver SB2C-3 Helldiver
1752 VT-13 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1756 VB-14 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
1757 VT-14 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1760 VBF-16 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1761 VB-16 SBD-3 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
1762 VT-16 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1765 VBF-17 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1766 VB-17 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
1767 VT-17 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1787 VB-80 SB2C-1C Helldiver SB2C-3 Helldiver
1788 VT-80 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1790 VF-81 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1791 VBF-81 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1796 VBF-82 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1797 VB-82 SB2C-1C Helldiver SB2C-3 Helldiver
1800 VF-83 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1801 VBF-83 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1802 VB-83 SB2C-3 Helldiver SB2C-4 Helldiver
1805 VF-84 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1806 VBF-84 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1807 VB-84 SB2C-3 Helldiver SB2C-4 Helldiver
1810 VF-85 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1811 VBF-85 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1812 VB-85 SB2C-3 Helldiver SB2C-4 Helldiver
1815 VF-86 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1817 VB-86 SB2C-3 Helldiver SB2C-4 Helldiver
1820 VF-93 F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
1821 VBF-93 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
1822 VB-93 SB2C-3 Helldiver SB2C-4 Helldiver
1823 VT-93 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1831 VF-22 F6F-5 Hellcat F6F-3 Hellcat
1832 VT-22 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1838 VT-24 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1841 VT-25 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1844 VT-26 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1847 VT-27 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1850 VT-28 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1857 No.805 Sqn FAA - 1 Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1858 No.805 Sqn FAA - 2 Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1859 No.805 Sqn FAA - 3 Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1860 No.805 Sqn FAA - 4 Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1861 No.800 Sqn FAA Seafire F.XV Sea Hurricane Ib
1863 No.805 Sqn FAA - 5 Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1866 No.805 Sqn FAA Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1867 No.806 Sqn FAA Hellcat F.II Fulmar II
1868 No.807 Sqn FAA Seafire IIC Hellcat F.II
1871 No.810 Sqn FAA Barracuda II Unknown type 110
1876 No.816 Sqn FAA Firefly F.I Seafire F.XV
1889 No.832 Sqn FAA TBF-1 Avenger Avenger I
1892 No.834 Sqn-FF-2 FAA Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1903 No.884 Sqn FAA Seafire IIC Hellcat F.II
1908 No.889 Sqn FAA Seafire IIC Hellcat PR.II
1909 No.892 Sqn FAA Hellcat NF.II Hellcat F.II
1910 No.894 Sqn FAA Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1916 No.1772 Sqn FAA Firefly NF.I Firefly F.I
1932 No.1844 Sqn FAA Hellcat NF.II Hellcat I
1939 No.706 Sqn FAA Avenger II Avenger III
1940 No.722 Sqn FAA Barracuda II No upgrade
1941 No.723 Sqn FAA Seafire L.III Seafire F.XV
1968 VC(T)-20 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1971 VC(T)-21 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1973 VF-26 F4F-4 Wildcat FM-1 Wildcat
1974 VT-26 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1977 VC(T)-27 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1979 VC(F)-33 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
1980 VC(T)-33 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1982 VF-35 F4U-4 Corsair FM-1 Wildcat
1983 VT-35 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1985 VF-37 F8F-1 Bearcat FM-1 Wildcat
1986 VT-37 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1991 VC(F)-41 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
1992 VC(T)-41 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
1994 VC(F)-42 FM-2 Wildcat No upgrade
1995 VC(T)-42 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
1997 VF-60 F4F-4 Wildcat FM-1 Wildcat
1998 VT-60 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2000 VC(F)-63 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2001 VC(T)-63 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2007 VC(T)-66 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2009 VC(F)-68 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2010 VC(T)-68 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2016 VC(T)-76 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2019 VC(T)-77 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2022 VC(T)-78 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2025 VC(T)-80 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2028 VC(T)-81 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2031 VC(T)-82 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2034 VC(T)-83 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2037 VC(T)-84 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2040 VC(T)-85 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2046 VC(T)-87 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2049 VC(T)-88 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2052 VC(T)-90 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2055 VC(T)-91 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2057 VC(F)-92 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2058 VC(T)-92 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2061 VC(T)-93 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2064 VC(T)-94 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2067 VC(T)-96 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2070 VC(T)-97 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2073 VC(T)-98 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2075 VOC(F)-1 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2076 VOC(T)-1 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2078 VC(F)-3 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2079 VC(T)-3 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2081 VC(F)-4 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2082 VC(T)-4 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2084 VC(F)-5 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2085 VC(T)-5 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2087 VC(F)-7 FM-1 Wildcat FM-2 Wildcat
2088 VC(T)-7 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2091 VC(T)-9 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2097 VC(T)-11 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2100 VC(T)-13 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2103 VC(T)-14 TBF-1 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2216 VRF-1F F4U-4 Corsair F6F-3 Hellcat
2217 VRF-1B SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-5 Dauntless
2218 VRF-2F F4U-4 Corsair F6F-3 Hellcat
2219 VRF-2T TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2220 VRF-3F F6F-5 Hellcat F6F-3 Hellcat
2221 VRF-3B SBD-6 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
2222 VRF-4F FM-2 Wildcat F6F-3 Hellcat
2223 VRF-4T TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2224 VRF-5F F6F-5 Hellcat FM-1 Wildcat
2225 VRF-5B SB2C-5 Helldiver SBD-5 Dauntless
2226 VRF-6F F6F-5 Hellcat FM-1 Wildcat
2227 VRF-6T TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2229 VRF-7B SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
2231 VRF-8T TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2233 VRF-9B SB2C-1C Helldiver SB2C-3 Helldiver
2235 VRF-10T TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2238 VRF-12F F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
2239 VRF-12T TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2240 VRF-13F F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
2241 VRF-13FB F4U-1D Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
2242 VRF-14F F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
2244 VRF-15F F6F-5 Hellcat F8F-1 Bearcat
2245 VRF-15T TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2553 VMF-111 F4U-4 Corsair F2A-3 Buffalo
2554 VMF(CVS)-112 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1A Corsair
2555 VMF-113 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1 Corsair
2557 VMF-115 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1 Corsair
2558 VMF-121 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1D Corsair
2559 VMF-122 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1A Corsair
2561 VMF-124 F6F-5N Hellcat F6F-5 Hellcat
2562 VMF-155 F4U-4 Corsair SBD-3 Dauntless
2563 VMF-211 F4U-4 Corsair F2A-3 Buffalo
2576 VMTB-134 SBD-3 Dauntless TBF-1 Avenger
2580 VMTB(CVS)-143 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2582 VMTB-144 SBD-3 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
2590 VMF-212 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1 Corsair
2595 VMF-214 F4U-1A Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
2598 VMF(CVS)-216 F6F-3 Hellcat F6F-5 Hellcat
2602 VMF-218 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1A Corsair
2606 VMF-222 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1 Corsair
2608 VMF-223 FM-1 Wildcat F4F-4 Wildcat
2610 VMF-224 F4U-4 Corsair FM-1 Wildcat
2612 VMF-225 F4U-1A Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
2615 VMSB-231 SBD-6 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
2617 VMTB-232 SBD-6 Dauntless TBF-1 Avenger
2619 VMTB(CVS)-233 TBM-1C Avenger TBM-3 Avenger
2621 VMTB(CVS)-234 SBD-6 Dauntless SB2C-1C Helldiver
2622 VMSB-235 SBD-6 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
2623 VMSB-236 SBD-6 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
2626 VMTB-242 TBM-3 Avenger TBM-1C Avenger
2627 VMSB-243 SBD-6 Dauntless SBD-3 Dauntless
2630 VMSB-245 SBD-6 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
2635 VMD-254 F6F-5P Hellcat F7F-3P Tigercat
2636 VMF-311 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1A Corsair
2637 VMF-312 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1D Corsair
2639 VMF-314 F4U-4 Corsair F4U-1A Corsair
2641 VMF(CVS)-321 F4U-1A Corsair F6F-3 Hellcat
2646 VMSB-331 SBD-3 Dauntless SBD-5 Dauntless
2647 VMTB-332 TBM-3 Avenger SBD-5 Dauntless
2648 VMSB-333 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-4 Helldiver
2650 VMSB-343 SBD-5 Dauntless SB2C-3 Helldiver
2656 VMB-413 PBJ-1D Mitchell PBJ-1J Mitchell
2657 VMF-422 F4U-1D Corsair F4U-1 Corsair
2660 VMF-441 F4U-4 Corsair F4F-4 Wildcat
2664 VMTB(CVS)-454 SB2C-1C Helldiver TBM-3 Avenger
2670 VMF(CVS)-512 F4U-1A Corsair F4U-4 Corsair
2680 VMF(N)-533 F6F-3N Hellcat F6F-5N Hellcat
2682 VMF(N)-541 F6F-3N Hellcat F6F-5N Hellcat
2709 VPB-15 PB2Y-3 Coronado PB2Y-5 Coronado
2714 VPB-20 PBM-3D Mariner PBM-5 Mariner
2716 VPB-21 PBM-3D Mariner PBM-5 Mariner
2718 VPB-22 PBM-3D Mariner PBM-5 Mariner
2722 VPB-23 PBY-5 Catalina PBY-6A Catalina
2727 VPB-27 PBM-3D Mariner PBM-5 Mariner
2728 VPB-28 PBM-3D Mariner PBM-5 Mariner
2759 VPB-71 PBY-5 Catalina PBY-6A Catalina
2764 VPB-121 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2773 VPB-102 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2778 VPB-106 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2781 VPB-108 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2783 VPB-109 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2785 VBP-111 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2788 VPB-115 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2789 VPB-116 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2801 VPB-124 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2805 VPB-123 PB4Y-1 Liberator PB4Y-2 Privateer
2807 VPB-142 PV-1 Ventura PV-2 Harpoon
2819 VPB-152 PV-2 Harpoon PV-1 Ventura
2820 VPB-153 PV-1 Ventura PV-2 Harpoon
2841 VS-53 OS2U-3 Kingfisher SBD-5 Dauntless
2854 VS-69 OS2U-3 Kingfisher SBD-5 Dauntless
2901 1-Vl.G.I PV-1 Ventura Unknown type 157
2915 2e-1-VI.G.V Groep Spitfire VIII Unknown type 143
2916 3e-1-VI.G.V Groep Spitfire VIII Unknown type 143
2942 GVT-7 PV-1 Ventura Unknown type 148
2967 No.2 Sqn RIAF Tempest F.2 Unknown type 84
2969 No.4 Sqn RIAF Hurricane IV Tempest F.2
3002 No.11 Sqn RCAF Tempest F.2 Unknown type 235
3003 No.133 Sqn RCAF Tempest F.2 Unknown type 231
3004 No.135 Sqn RCAF Tempest F.2 Unknown type 233
3005 No.165 Sqn RCAF Tempest F.2 Unknown type 228
3025 No.1 Sqn RNZAF F4U-1D Corsair Unknown type 251
3026 No.2 Sqn RNZAF F4U-1D Corsair Unknown type 251
3028 No.15 Sqn RNZAF Kittyhawk IV Unknown type 255
3029 No.17 Sqn RNZAF Kittyhawk IV Unknown type 255
3031 No.26 Sqn RNZAF F4U-1D Corsair Unknown type 258
3032 No.22 Sqn RNZAF F4U-1D Corsair Unknown type 258
3033 No.21 Sqn RNZAF F4U-1D Corsair Unknown type 258
3075 No.87 Sqn RAAF Mosquito PR.34 Unknown type 208
3076 No.11 Sqn RAAF P-51D Mustang Unknown type 221
3090 No.78 Sqn RAAF P-51D Mustang Kittyhawk IV
3091 No.79 Sqn RAAF Spitfire F.XIV Unknown type 212
3092 No.80 Sqn RAAF Spitfire F.XIV P-51D Mustang
3093 No.23 Sqn RNZAF F4U-1D Corsair Unknown type 258
3094 No.452 Sqn RAAF Spitfire F.XIV P-51D Mustang
3096 No.5 Sqn RAAF Spitfire F.XIV Spitfire FR.XIVe
3098 No.2 Sqn RAAF P-51D Mustang Unknown type 188
3104 No.30 Sqn RAAF Beaufighter 21 Unknown type 164
3106 No.31 Sqn RAAF Beaufighter 21 Unknown type 164
3170 No.5 Sqn RAF Thunderbolt II Unknown type 101
3173 No.11 Sqn RAF Spitfire VIII Spitfire F.XIV
3180 No.28 Sqn RAF Thunderbolt II Unknown type 84
3181 No.30 Sqn RAF Thunderbolt II Unknown type 81
3190 No.45 Sqn RAF Mosquito FB.VI Unknown type 126
3199 No.62 Sqn RAF Dakota III Unknown type 63
3204 No.82 Sqn RAF Mosquito FB.VI Unknown type 126
3206 No.84 Sqn RAF Mosquito FB.VI Unknown type 126
3214 No.110 Sqn RAF Mosquito FB.VI Unknown type 126
3219 No.132 Sqn RAF Spitfire FR.XIVe Spitfire F.XIV
3225 No.152 Sqn RAF Spitfire F.XIV Spitfire VIII
3229 No.176 Sqn RAF Beaufighter TF.X Mosquito NF.XIX
3230 No.177 Sqn RAF Beaufighter TF.X Mosquito NF.XIX
3239 No.211 Sqn RAF Mosquito FB.VI Mosquito NF.XIX
3260 No.273 Sqn RAF Spitfire F.XIV Spitfire VIII
3264 No.326 Sqn RAF Spitfire F.XIV Spitfire VIII
3265 No.328 Sqn RAF Spitfire F.XIV Spitfire VIII
3291 No.615 Sqn RAF Thunderbolt II Unknown type 109
3529 6th PG/8th PRS F-4 Lightning F-5A Lightning
3531 8th PG/9th PRS F-13 Superfortress F-5A Lightning
3541 6th PG/26th PRS F-4 Lightning F-5A Lightning
3546 35th PRS F-5A Lightning F-5E Lightning
3550 43rd RS O-47A B-18A Bolo
3978 509th Bomber Group B-32 Dominator B-29-25 Superfort
3979 427th NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
3980 502nd Bomber Group B-29B Superfort B-29-25 Superfort
3981 501st Bomber Group B-29B Superfort B-29-25 Superfort
3982 331st Bomber Group B-29B Superfort B-29-25 Superfort
3983 19th Bomber Group B-32 Dominator B-29-25 Superfort
3984 29th Bomber Group B-32 Dominator B-29-25 Superfort
4000 21st Fighter Group P-51H Mustang P-51D Mustang
4001 413th Fighter Group P-47N Thunderbolt P-82B Twin Mustang
4002 506th Fighter Group P-51H Mustang P-51D Mustang
4003 507th Fighter Group P-47D25 Thunderbolt P-47N Thunderbolt
4005 550th NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
4006 41st PRS F-6D Mustang F-5E Lightning
4011 8th Fighter Group P-38L Lightning P-51D Mustang
4013 49th Fighter Group P-40N26 Warhawk P-51D Mustang
4016 475th Fighter Group P-38L Lightning P-51D Mustang
4017 418th NFS P-61C Black Widow B-25H Mitchell
4018 421st NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
4019 547th NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
4025 312th Bomber Group A-26C Invader A-26B Invader
4026 345th Bomber Group B-25H Mitchell A-26B Invader
4027 3rd Bomber Group B-25H Mitchell B-29-25 Superfort
4029 417th Bomber Group A-26C Invader B-29-25 Superfort
4030 25th PRS F-7A Liberator F-5E Lightning
4033 868th Bomb Sqn B-24D1 Liberator B-24J Liberator
4039 11th Bomber Group B-24J Liberator B-29-25 Superfort
4040 42nd Bomber Group B-25J11 Mitchell B-29-25 Superfort
4041 307th Bomber Group B-24J Liberator B-29-25 Superfort
4043 319th Bomber Group A-26C Invader B-29-25 Superfort
4045 347th Fighter Group P-38L Lightning P-51D Mustang
4048 548th NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
4049 426th NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
4051 5th Bomber Group B-24J Liberator B-29-25 Superfort
4053 44th Fighter Sqn P-38L Lightning P-51D Mustang
4054 70th Fighter Sqn P-38L Lightning P-51D Mustang
4055 12th Fighter Sqn P-38L Lightning P-51D Mustang
4205 19th TCS C-33 C-47 Skytrain
4311 549th NFS P-61C Black Widow P-61A Black Widow
4318 80th Fighter Group P-40N1 Warhawk P-40N5 Warhawk
4319 308th Bomber Group B-24J Liberator B-24D Liberator
4324 311th Fighter Group P-51D Mustang P-51B Mustang
4325 7th Bomber Group B-17G Fortress B-17E Fortress
4328 33rd Fighter Group P-40N5 Warhawk P-47D25 Thunderbolt
4333 506th Fighter Group P-51D Mustang P-51H Mustang
4339 380th Bomber Group B-24J Liberator B-24D1 Liberator
4341 508th Fighter Group P-47D25 Thunderbolt P-47N Thunderbolt


NOTE: If the FM-2 has no upgrade path and is out of service either a large replacement pool is needed or construction needs to be extended.
Recommend all TBF-1’s be upgraded at start, plane has been out of service for 2 years.
Recommend most TBM-1’s be upgraded, plane has been out of service for 1 year.
Fill out the PB2Y-5 Coronado sqd’s and give them a small replacement pool since the lane is out of production.

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RE: Downfall - 5/28/2012 3:10:41 AM   
rjopel

 

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Status: offline 		The US should have 4-6 months of production for all active devices available at start to use as replacements. If not should start to recieve monthly Convoys of replacements arriving from the US/ETO. Based on the fact all replacements of men and equipment now are headed to the PTO.

The rest of the allies should have 2-3 months worth of production for all active devices available at start to use as replacements.

Common equipmentwould be 6-9 months.

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RE: Downfall - 5/28/2012 4:13:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, Andy,
Can I ask that the allied commander be put in - Nimitz, McCarthur, Halsey, Spruance should be in place. Retire Kimmel and Ghormley

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RE: Downfall - 5/29/2012 12:48:13 AM   
LowCommand

 

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The Allies don't get enough mines for operation Starvation. I doubt that 4-6 months production would be enough. Now, the mines would probably make the blockade runner mini game much less intresting. I forget the start date for Starvation, but maybe there should already be mine fields in all the major ports.

Adding more Jap AA would make the game more intresting, but IRL Jap night defenses where rather hopless. The USAAF did pretty well did take entire cities out of the war in one or two nights. Nowever, they didn't get to attack night after night they way you can in AE. Maybe the fatage value for long range missions should get dialed up instead.

I didn't check Japanese assets in Downfall, but IRL they had somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 aircraft stashed away for kamakazi attacks on the invasion. I didn't get that kind of attack when I invaded. Then again, I pounded the place for nearly a year before invading.







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RE: Downfall - 5/29/2012 1:08:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LowCommand
I didn't check Japanese assets in Downfall, but IRL they had somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 aircraft stashed away for kamakazi attacks on the invasion. I didn't get that kind of attack when I invaded. Then again, I pounded the place for nearly a year before invading.


I haven't checked the numbers, but the one time I tried Downfall I strayed a little too close with a carrier task force a few days on from the start of the scenario and was swamped by wave upon wave of kamikazes. I don't know if there are 10,000 of them, but it sure felt that way ;)

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RE: Downfall - 5/29/2012 1:03:09 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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I will look at list more from view of allied Ai

I seem to remember quadrupling mine production for both side and adding a lot to pools but will check again tonight

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RE: Downfall - 5/29/2012 1:03:52 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Thanks guys I am now working on AI so I wil capture al these then go back when I have the AI reworked

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RE: Downfall - 5/29/2012 10:23:35 PM   
LowCommand

 

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quote:

I haven't checked the numbers, but the one time I tried Downfall I strayed a little too close with a carrier task force a few days on from the start of the scenario and was swamped by wave upon wave of kamikazes. I don't know if there are 10,000 of them, but it sure felt that way ;)


I had the same experience, but the 5 to 10 thousand were a special invasion reserve. The sources I've read "discuss" whether all of them would be used against the first invasion. There would have been problems, the aircraft were hidden so far from the airfields (up to 20 miles) that it was going to be real hard to stage the really massive attacks that might crack the US defenses. The attacks were intended to go in at twilight, against the APA's, APD's etc. using terrain masking. This was viewed as the second most powerful weapon they had left. They were also making midget subs that ranged from so-so to downright pathetic, suicide boats, swimmers, etc. The final, most powerful weapon, was to be all 100 million Japanese civilians attacking with really sharp bamboo spears. The generals making these plans seem to have forgotten that 100 million was just poetic license, there were never more than about 80 million. At the time we expected to invade, starvation would have been getting pretty bad. MacArthur had to ask for an emergency food shipment shortly after the surrender, or 30 million would have starved. Also note that starving women, children and old men are probably not going to use their spears very well. They certainly didn’t on Okinawa. There seem to have been a few civilian militia attacks, but they pretty well got lost in the noise.


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RE: Downfall - 6/4/2012 8:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just curious to the status of the AI for this scenario.

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RE: Downfall - 6/6/2012 1:56:12 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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I am working on updates and variants for when I re relase the scen

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RE: Downfall - 6/7/2012 11:44:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am discussing a PBEM with another chap. Is this mod available for a PBEM? I like the fact that you have incorporated JWE's et al efforts.
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RE: Downfall - 6/7/2012 12:15:53 PM   
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RE: Downfall - 6/7/2012 11:55:42 PM   
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RE: Downfall - 6/8/2012 12:07:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for your response. However, the opponent backed out of this game. I will wait until you are finished testing and then try to find another foe.

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RE: Downfall - 6/27/2013 4:02:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Been doing a lot of research on DOWNFALL the last year or so; and here's some data I've managed to ferret out on USMC/USN aircraft conversions -- the sources were:

Location of USN Aircraft, 4 August 1945
Naval Aeronautic Organization, 23 July 1945

Basically:

VMSB/VMTB Conversions:

All existing VMSB/VMTB squadrons were to be redesignated as VMBF squadrons after re-equipping with F7F or F4Us, at the following rates: 4 to F4Us by March 1946, 2 to F7F by June 1946, 5 to F7F by September 1946.

By December 1946, six squadrons would have converted to F7Fs and six to F4Us, for a total of 12 conversions.

Marine Fighter units would have converted to the Tigercat as follows:

Day Fighter: Several land-based squadrons in addition to VMF-312 would be converting from the F4U to the F7F Tigercat – at the following rate: 1 by March 1946, 3 by June 1946 and 5 by September 1946.

Night Fighter: Several land-based squadrons in addition to VMF(N) 533 and 544 would be converting from the F6F-5N to the F7F at the following rate: 1 by December 1945, 2 by March 1945 and 4 by June 1946, until all USMC Night Fighter units were operating the Tigercat.

USN Seaplanes:

According to "Naval Aeronautic Organization, 23 July 1945":

Page 24:
"For planning purposes BBU now using OS2U as substitutes for SC are assumed to be re-equipped with SC by Oct 1945."

Page 25:
"For planning purposes CAU now using OS2U or SOC as substitute for SC are assumed to be re-equipped with SC by Oct 1945."

Page 26
"For planning purposes CLU now using OS2U or SOC as substitute for SC are assumed to be re-equipped with SC by Oct 1945."

BBU = Battleship Units
CAU = Heavy Cruiser units
CLU = Light Cruiser units.

So basically, every scouting floatplane in the USN was going to become the SC Seahawk by OLYMPIC.

< Message edited by RyanCrierie -- 6/27/2013 4:06:28 AM >

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RE: Downfall - 6/28/2013 9:21:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ryan - Thanks for the Seahawk info. Do you have artwork for the SC?

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RE: Downfall - 6/28/2013 10:12:35 PM   
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RE: Downfall - 6/28/2013 10:29:43 PM   
RyanCrierie


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Status: offline 		Here are my assumptions as for ship arrivals for DOWNFALL -- it's a bit incomplete.

Assumptions Made for Timing

Norfolk through Panama Canal to San Diego, onwards to Hawaii, and then to Buckner Bay is 11,200~ nautical miles. At a average cruising speed of 15 knots, this will take 32~ days to complete.

Hawaii to Buckner Bay is about 4,100~ nautical miles. At an average cruising speed of 15 knots, this will take 12~ days to complete.

Atlantic Fleet Cruiser Training seems to have been six weeks according to the CINCLANT War Diary.

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Carriers

CV-13 Franklin (New York NYd)

Notes: CINCLANT war diary gives Return to Sea date as 1 January 1946. Assuming 8 weeks of training, plus transit time, CV-13 Franklin would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 30 March 1946.

CV-39 Lake Champlain (Off of Cuba)

Notes: CINCLANT war diary has her departing on 4 August for Norfolk NYd. Assuming a three week availability period and travel time, she would become available at Buckner Bay around 2 October 1945, in time to execute her programmed role in TF58 during the OLYMPIC operation.

Battleships:

BB-34 New York (New York) (Pearl Harbor NYd)
VO-5 Detachment (3 x OS2U-3)

Notes: At Pearl Harbor, having her main guns relined after wearing them out during the Iwo Jima bombardments.

BB-38 Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania)
VO-2 Detachment (2 x SC-1)

Notes: Torpedoed on 12 August 1945 by a Japanese aircraft in Buckner Bay. Lost #3 shaft during cruise back home. Arrived at Puget Sound NY on 24 October 1945.

Based on the turn-around time for BB-46 Maryland after being torpedoed on 18 June 1944, and BB-55 North Carolina after being torpedoed on 15 September 1942, repairs would have taken a month in dry-dock; with possibly extra time to replace the lost #3 propeller shaft.

Assuming 1.5 months to repair, and then a further two weeks for post-repair shakedown training, BB-38 would have been ready for re-assignment to the fleet around 22 December 1945.

Furthermore, based on the travel time of BB-38 Pennsylvania when she was transiting to Alaskan waters in the Spring of 1943 (1,900 n.mi in 7 days), if her route to the combat zone had taken her from Puget Sound, Washington to Buckner Bay, Okinawa via Hawaii (6,300~ n.mi), she would have arrived in the combat zone around 16 January 1946.

BB-46 Maryland (Colorado) (Puget Sound NYd)
VO-4 Detachment (2 x SC-1)

Notes: Undergoing battle damage repair and general overhaul until 19 August 1945, at which point, she would execute post-overhaul training until 31 August 1945. She would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 25 September 1945 if transiting via Hawaii.

BB-56 Washington (North Carolina) (Puget Sound NYd)
VO-6 Detachment (2 x OS2U-3)

Notes: Overhaul/Modernization from 28 June to October 1945. Would have arrived at Buckner Bay sometime in late October 1945 or early November 1945 if traveling to Okinawa via Hawaii.

Heavy Cruisers

CB-3 Hawaii (Alaska) (NY Shipbuilding)

Notes: Launched on 13 November 1945. Based on average build times from CB-1/CB-2, she would commission around 17 September 1946. Assuming an eight week training period, and transit time to the Pacific, she would arrive at Buckner Bay around 14 December 1946.

CA-28 Louisville (Northampton) (Pearl Harbor)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: Being repaired in Pearl Harbor following Kamikaze strike on 5 June 1945. Likely would have been available in the winter of 1945 in the combat zone.

CA-68 Baltimore (Baltimore) (Pearl Harbor)
Detachment (2 x OS2U-3)

Notes: Arrived at Pearl Harbor on 12 July 1945, and remained in Hawaiian waters for Navy Yard availability/training through August 1945. If she had been directed to re-enter the combat zone, she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around early September 1945.

CA-70 Canberra (Baltimore) (Boston NYd)
Detachment (4 x SC-1)

Notes: Being repaired following aerial torpedoing on 13 October 1944. CINCLANT War diary gives her as ready for sea around 26 September 1945. Historically, she was in the yard until 17 October 1945. Based off the standard six week training time and transit time, CA-70 Canberra would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 9 December 1945.

CA-72 Pittsburgh (Baltimore) (Puget Sound NYd)

Notes: Being repaired after losing her bow on 4 June 1945 in a typhoon. Arrived at Puget Sound NY on 16 July 1945. Allowing for three months of repair, plus three weeks of shakedown, Pittsburgh would have arrived at Okinawa around late November / early December 1945.

CA-74 Columbus (Baltimore) (Boston NYd)
Detachment (4 x SC-1)

Notes: CINCLANT war diary gives her as ready for sea on 29 August 1945. Assuming a six week training period and transit time, she would have been available at Buckner Bay around 11 November 1945. 1/3d of Cruiser Division 21 (CRUDIV 21), which was programmed for the PTO.

CA-130 Bremerton (Baltimore) (Casco Bay, Maine) (CHECKED)
Detachment (2 x SC-1)

Notes: Carried out experimental work at Casco Bay until 2 October 1945; arrived at Pearl Harbor on 15 December 1945 for duty with the 7th Fleet. Assuming transit time, she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 30 December 1945. Half of Cruiser Division 19 (CRUDIV 19).

CA-131 Fall River (Baltimore) (Philadelphia NYd)
Detachment (4 x SC-1)

Notes: Under construction at Philadelphia NYd. CINCLANT war diary gives her as Ready For Sea around 13 August. Assuming a six week training period and transit time; she would arrive at Buckner Bay around 9 November 1945. However, since she was half of Cruiser Division 19 (CRUDIV 19), it is likely her departure would have been delayed so that CRUDIV 19 could arrive for service together around 30 December 1945.

CA-132 Macon (Baltimore) (Camden NJ)
Detachment (4 x SC-1)

Notes: She commissioned into the fleet on 26 August 1945. Assuming a ten week interval for training and shakedown along with transit time, she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 6 December 1945. 1/3d of Cruiser Division 21 (CRUDIV 21), which was programmed for the PTO.

CA-135 Los Angeles (Baltimore) (Philadelphia NYd)
Detachment (4 x SC-1)

Notes: CINCLANT war diary gives her as ready for sea on 27 August 1945. Assuming a six week training period along with transit time, she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 9 November 1945. 1/3d of Cruiser Division 21 (CRUDIV 21), which was programmed for the PTO.

LIGHT CRUISERS

CL-46 Phoenix (Brooklyn) (Enroute to Pearl Harbor)
Detachment (2 x OS2U-3)

Notes: Enroute to Pearl Harbor to enter a planned Overhaul/Refit period when Japan capitulated.

CL-47 Boise (Brooklyn) (San Pedro, CA)

Notes: Arrived in San Pedro, CA for a Overhaul/Refit on 7 July 1945. Was in the San Pedro area until 3 October 1945. If she had been ordered to the PTO, she would have arrived in very late October or early November 1945.

CL-48 Honolulu (Brooklyn) (Norfolk NYd)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: Torpedoed on 20 October 1944. She arrived at Norfolk NYd on 20 December 1944. CINCLANT war diary gives her as ready for sea by 2 October; and in real life, repairs were complete by October 1945. Based off six weeks of training standard for cruisers, and travel time to the PTO, CL-48 Honolulu would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 15 December 1945.

CL-64 Vincennes (Cleveland) (Mare Island NYd)

Notes: Undergoing overhaul/refit at Mare Island NYd, having arrived there on 8 July 1945. Her post-overhaul shakedown trials began on 29 August 1945. With three weeks of trials and then transit time to Buckner Bay figured in, she would arrive at Okinawa around early October 1945.

CL-81 Houston (Cleveland) (New York NYd)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: Torpedoed on 14 October 1944. Due to a lack of shipyard space on the West Coast, she was assigned to be repaired at New York NYd, arriving there on 24 March 1945. The CINCLANT war diary gives her as ready for sea on 30 September 1945. In real life, this occurred on 11 October 1945. Assuming a six week training period and transit time back to the PTO, CL-81 Houston would arrive at Buckner Bay around 13 December 1945.

CL-82 Providence (Cleveland) (Boston NYd)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: Under construction. CINCLANT war diary gives her ready for sea date as around 12 August 1945, with orders to report to TF69. Half of Cruiser Division 20 (CRUDIV 20). Programmed for the PTO, so after an extended ten week period of training and transit time, she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 25 November 1945.

CL-89 Miami (Cleveland) (San Francisco NYd)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: Being overhauled/refitted at San Francisco when the war ended. After the end of the war, she arrived at Pearl Harbor on 25 August 1945 – which means she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around early to mid September 1945.

CL-92 Little Rock (Cleveland) (Shakedown cruise off Cuba)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: CINCLANT war diary gives her as having orders to depart on 27 August 1945 for Philadelphia NYd. She was programmed for the PTO as half of Cruiser Division 20 (CRUDIV 20), so it is likely she would have been “held up” so that she could depart in company with CL-82 Providence so they could arrive at Buckner Bay together around 25 November 1945.

CL-96 Reno (Oakland) (Charleston NYd)

Notes: Torpedoed on 3 November 1944 by I-41. Arrived at Charleston NYd on 22 March 1945 for repairs. CINCLANT war diary gives her return to sea as 11 October 1945. Assuming six weeks of training and then transit time, she would have arrived at Buckner Bay around 7 January 1946.

CL-102 Portsmouth (Cleveland) (Shakedown cruise off Cuba)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: CINCLANT War Diary gives her as training off Cuba with orders to depart on 5 September for Norfolk NYd. Assuming three weeks of post-training availability, and travel time, she would arrive at Buckner Bay around 2 November 1945. Half of Cruiser Division 22 (CRUDIV 22), which was programmed for the PTO.

CL-106 Fargo (Fargo) (Camden, NJ)
Detachment (3 x SC-1)

Notes: Under construction at NYSB. Commissioned on 9 December 1945. Assuming seven weeks of training and availability, along with travel times, she would arrive at Buckner Bay around 28 February 1946. Half of Cruiser Division 22 (CRUDIV 22), which was programmed for the PTO.

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RE: Downfall - 6/28/2013 10:40:46 PM   
RyanCrierie


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http://www.alternatewars.com/WW2/Downfall/OOB/Hula_Transfers.htm

EDIT:

Here's a sample image from Fold3.com which has the war diary for BATDIV4 circa August 1945:

http://www.alternatewars.com/WW2/Downfall/OOB/BATDIV4_AUG-45_WD.png

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quote:

Did art for the SC a long time ago; here it is in PNG format for all three sides.

Thanks. Great stuff. I probably downloaded it before but could not find it.

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