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ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

Seems to me that many in this world have more respect for the dead, than for the living

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

Seems to me that many in this world have more respect for the dead, than for the living

Maybe that's because they are more deserving of it.

This is a plea for a moderator to lock this thread and BAN the excuse for a human who started it!

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

Seems to me that many in this world have more respect for the dead, than for the living

Maybe that's because they are more deserving of it.

This is a plea for a moderator to lock this thread and BAN the excuse for a human who started it!

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Joe Wilkerson wrote:

Since it's inception in August 2009 - I've mentioned several times to my wife that I was impressed with the AE forum and how "calm" things had been. Well that was true for about the first four months but around November 2009 things became "normal" - I suppose - and some sporadic name calling began.

I think it is time to give everyone a chance to review the rules. You all read them and acknowledged reading them when you registered, so there is nothing new in this.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/register.asp

Do not expect any more warnings. The next time we catch someone violating the rules - NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE - the rules will be enforced.

So read and heed.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

So whats the matter what happens to a corpse??Like the dead marine in somalia I guess they were just doing a little urban street cleanup with him on the end of that rope!
I know cats are'nt human but i'd rather be around my 4 cats than 50% of the human beings I deal with every day
Like the old cook in the "undefeated"said"they bury their leavin's and clean up afterwards which is more than I can say for most of us"
That artist is SICK and so is the person who did the work for him.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

It was already dead and he hadn't killed it for this use. So what's the matter what happenes to a corpse?
Turning it into a copter is bad, but taking the fur and hang it on the wall is kosher?

c'mon!

I don't give a **** what happens to my body when I'm dead. I won't feel anything, I won't care at all. Hang the corpse from a bridge and let it rot, who cares? Take care of me as long as I am alive!

Why should I take it different with animals? We have pets as well, but to be attached to my animals is to them alive and to their memory, not to a corpse!

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

Are you an organ donor?If so then you do care about what happens after your dead,if not then you really don't give a **** about yourself or anybody else.
As for my cats I have them cremated and place their ashes in an urn shaped like a sleeping cat that has the words"let sleeping cats lie".
Thats dignity and rememberance not turning them into a toy that you will eventually grow tired of and put on a shelf in the basement.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

So whats the matter what happens to a corpse??Like the dead marine in somalia I guess they were just doing a little urban street cleanup with him on the end of that rope!
I know cats are'nt human but i'd rather be around my 4 cats than 50% of the human beings I deal with every day
Like the old cook in the "undefeated"said"they bury their leavin's and clean up afterwards which is more than I can say for most of us"
That artist is SICK and so is the person who did the work for him.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

It was already dead and he hadn't killed it for this use. So what's the matter what happenes to a corpse?
Turning it into a copter is bad, but taking the fur and hang it on the wall is kosher?

c'mon!

I don't give a **** what happens to my body when I'm dead. I won't feel anything, I won't care at all. Hang the corpse from a bridge and let it rot, who cares? Take care of me as long as I am alive!

Why should I take it different with animals? We have pets as well, but to be attached to my animals is to them alive and to their memory, not to a corpse!

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

Seems to me that many in this world have more respect for the dead, than for the living

Maybe that's because they are more deserving of it.

This is a plea for a moderator to lock this thread and BAN the excuse for a human who started it!

The dead deserve more respect than the living?
Treespider in an "excuse for a human" and should be banned because he posted it?


This thread must stay open to give more users the possibility to show their inner sides...

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ORIGINAL: Miller

I like cats and dogs but I have to admit I had to laugh when I first saw that. Some people are more sensitive to things like this than others......

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Tree, I think it was an attempt at humor. At least I would view it as such independent of the intention...

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

Seems to me that many in this world have more respect for the dead, than for the living

Maybe that's because they are more deserving of it.

This is a plea for a moderator to lock this thread and BAN the excuse for a human who started it!

Wow ... I made no comment one way or the other about the nature of the content ...and I am subjected to a personal insult.

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Joe Wilkerson wrote:

Since it's inception in August 2009 - I've mentioned several times to my wife that I was impressed with the AE forum and how "calm" things had been. Well that was true for about the first four months but around November 2009 things became "normal" - I suppose - and some sporadic name calling began.

I think it is time to give everyone a chance to review the rules. You all read them and acknowledged reading them when you registered, so there is nothing new in this.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/register.asp

Do not expect any more warnings. The next time we catch someone violating the rules - NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE - the rules will be enforced.

So read and heed.

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Matrix Games is solely responsible for creating, hosting, and maintaining this message board. This is a private board and shall not be used for anyone personal causes.

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Guess its time to hold Mr. Wilkerson's feet to the fire. PM sent.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

Are you an organ donor?If so then you do care about what happens after your dead,if not then you really don't give a **** about yourself or anybody else.
As for my cats I have them cremated and place their ashes in an urn shaped like a sleeping cat that has the words"let sleeping cats lie".
Thats dignity and rememberance not turning them into a toy that you will eventually grow tired of and put on a shelf in the basement.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

So whats the matter what happens to a corpse??Like the dead marine in somalia I guess they were just doing a little urban street cleanup with him on the end of that rope!
I know cats are'nt human but i'd rather be around my 4 cats than 50% of the human beings I deal with every day
Like the old cook in the "undefeated"said"they bury their leavin's and clean up afterwards which is more than I can say for most of us"
That artist is SICK and so is the person who did the work for him.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

It was already dead and he hadn't killed it for this use. So what's the matter what happenes to a corpse?
Turning it into a copter is bad, but taking the fur and hang it on the wall is kosher?

c'mon!

I don't give a **** what happens to my body when I'm dead. I won't feel anything, I won't care at all. Hang the corpse from a bridge and let it rot, who cares? Take care of me as long as I am alive!

Why should I take it different with animals? We have pets as well, but to be attached to my animals is to them alive and to their memory, not to a corpse!

I am a donor, especially because I don't care whether I'm burried "complete" or not, and because the living are important and not my corpse.

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

In one respect yes, the dead deserve more respect. Like children and animals, they can't defend themselves. We are (or at least should be) judged on how we treat others, dead and ALIVE. It seems that if you show no respect to the dead (a crucial tradition in most societies) you probably don't show much to the living. Hence society degenerates into a "me-first" society. Just my personal belief , for what ever (if anything) it's worth.

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

In one respect yes, the dead deserve more respect. Like children and animals, they can't defend themselves. We are (or at least should be) judged on how we treat others, dead and ALIVE. It seems that if you show no respect to the dead (a crucial tradition in most societies) you probably don't show much to the living. Hence society degenerates into a "me-first" society. Just my personal belief , for what ever (if anything) it's worth.

I think society always oscillates between a 'me first' and a 'society first' attitude. Might be true that it currently again swings to 'me first'. Until the end of the next global catastrophy that is.

You might be correct about the connection between the respect for the dead and the respect for the living within a society. Although I would prefer if the focus lies on respect for the living, independent of any general relation.

And I might also point out that there are many examples of societies where there was an unbelievable exaggerated respect for the dead while the life of the average human being counted next to nothing. Ancient Egypt, the Azteks to name only two. So this depends on many other factors as well.

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
"Moderation in all things".

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

Well then...

You may care bout the dead, I care about those alive. I see practical examples in German policy that would be political and are thus not allowed here- but that show me that I seem to be rather alone with that point of view.

Sad, but again: I care about people to have a good live, not a respectfull grave. But hey, our culture includes "De mortuis nihil nisi bene" - so dare you talk bad about a dead dictator or mass murderer...

Well, I am propably not part of your moral code and ethic society. I can live with it, as I have good reasons for it (as stated above).

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment?

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

American "Cowboy actor" Roy Rodgers had his dog "Bullet" stuffed and displayed in his museum upon the dogs death. Then he did the same to his horse "trigger". Rumor has it, his wife, Dale Evans was very nervous.... fortunately , he predisposed her!

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment?

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment?

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment?

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

Notably saying NOTHING about the actions this guy took or my PERSONAL feelings about them, I would only add, as I don't think it's been mentioned, that news reports I've seen report the guy intended this to be a tribute to the cat, who was named Orville in honor of the Wright brother and in recognition of his owner's love of all things aviation.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

American "Cowboy actor" Roy Rodgers had his dog "Bullet" stuffed and displayed in his museum upon the dogs death. Then he did the same to his horse "trigger". Rumor has it, his wife, Dale Evans was very nervous.... fortunately , he predisposed her!

Freudian slip?

"Predeceased" maybe?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment?

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

Notably saying NOTHING about the actions this guy took or my PERSONAL feelings about them, I would only add, as I don't think it's been mentioned, that news reports I've seen report the guy intended this to be a tribute to the cat, who was named Orville in honor of the Wright brother and in recognition of his owner's love of all things aviation.

I know that some people, not just artists, sometimes have a beloved pet stuffed to preserve their remains and memories. And that such is a loving, caring tribute to the deceased.

I still think that a mouse would get a kick out of flying a cat.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

I wasn't adressing you. Lheonard

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

I wasn't adressing you. Lheonard

You are the master of subtletey, THorsten. Took me a bit.
I will stuff the H and let it fly.