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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 3:08:07 AM   
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For the two reasons I said, I don't think India is in any immediate danger. For a sea borne invasion he needs the KB, which currently is well out of position off Alaska. He also needs to use the infantry which is currently occupied at Clark.

What I am suggesting is that once those two operations achieve their objectives and in the process free up the KB and the 8 infantry divisions, then India becomes a possibility even if Singapore remains Allied. For by that stage the health of the Allied air force at Singapore should be quite poor, and the supply stockpile diminished.

Ask yourself this simple question. Why has Japan shown no willingness to cross the causeway? For a supplementary question, why is the Imperial Guards division actually being moved away from Malaya. One answer which applies equally to both questions is because Japan has no intention to capture Singapore at this stage. If Japan controls the skies over Singapore, then it really represents no real threat to the Empire. Instead a very large POW camp is established. By not destroying the Allied units located at Singapore, the destroyed units cannot be resurrected to participate in the defence of India, or Australia, or elsewhere.

With Japanese air superiority over Singapore, how many Allied players would attempt a Dunkirk to move the units to more worthwhile locations. Or being more creative how many Allied players would consider a breakout across the causeway against what might be only skelleton Japanese forces on the other side (afterall, by not crossing the causeway you really don't know what is there)? In the interim, by employing a great economy in prison guards, the surplus forces of the 25th Army are available for operations elsewhere. All that they await is the return of the KB, and frankly the KB will soon not be required up there in the North Pacific, if it ever really was needed there at all.

Now in this posible scenario, with an enemy invasion fleet transiting the Sunda Strait and going deep into blue ocean appearing out of the blue when it reaches Karachi (or if more conservative Bombay), an Allied presence at Sabang will be meaningless. For the Sabang and Andaman island garrisons will be garnered from India. The end result is a very weakened Indian garrison which will not be able to hold. Once India is captured, the Japanese invasion force will be able to live off the Indian supply generating capacity.

Nor do I think that a strategic bombing campaign against the West Coast automatically precludes moving on India, or Australia for that matter although in the latter's case, the restricted units there which cannot be forward deployed, as can those in India after PPs are paid, means the investment of Japanese assets would be a substantial problem. The trick for Japan would be to have large Allied force concentrations tied to irrelevant locations and Japan hitting largely empty air but gaining priceless areas.

If your opponent has India in mind, I definitely don't expect him to commit the errors which previous opponent's or you have committed. You must assume, until compelling evidence to the contrary is presented, that you are playing Nemo lite, or at the very least an opponent who considers himself to be a match for Nemo.

Alfred

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 3:31:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Alfred, it appears you have read only the last few pages of the AAR. PJH has not taken all of the DEI yet and his amphib landing bonus is running out. All of CR's assessments are taking into account that he has lots of unfinished business to attend to before he can free up KB for a new offensive. Meanwhile, the massive allied buildup of ships, aircraft and ground units continues and KB's clear dominance is eroding. By the time he is ready for his next major offensive CR will have greatly improved defences and established forward bases for countermoves to interrupt his plans.
It's going to be great to watch these two duke it out!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 3:40:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steve is a very good player, but I am surprised by his commitment to the Phillipines, especially if it's costing him in other areas. In most cases, a strong commitment to the PI will cost time in Singapore.

Singapore is critical for the Japanese; you can't leave it in your rear, because it's a big base, and you can't really move beyond it. It's also astride the route to Palembang. You really can't move to Phase II without taking it.

Clark/Manila on the other hand, you can let those rot for months. What can the Allies do with them? They can refuel subs, but that's about it. Any appearance by B-17s would quickly result in bombing, and the USAFFE command can't spare the supplies anyway. Simply blockading the units in place, they will run out of supplies and be easy meat later in 1942.

I don't understand the commitment to the PI. I would leave it alone, and move on.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 4:54:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

I return and I find two ideas appear to have taken hold; ideas which appear to have been accepted by the group without a strenous analysis.


Alfred, glad to see you back and posting.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 7:06:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		What alfred said implies, imho, a very suggestive consequence: CR's opponent could be looking for this different approach, which seems strange to most of us, just to tempt CR a forwarded defence ( and the whole community knows how much cr likes the idea of Festungs) and that do exactly what his previous opponent didn't: strike deep and hard into the very heart of India, bypassing the whole defensive arc CR has created.
My only concerns is that, do succesfully invade and conquer India, Japan needs all its tank regiments....and that means that China needs to be secured before any indian gambit.... During our long talks Rader explained me what his plan about india was: he thought India could be taken only by blitzkrieging it...and to do a proper blitz you need your whole air force, all your tanks and the KB.
That's why i think that, as long as CR's positions in china are secure, he can be sure that India is more or less safe

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 10:57:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, this could be a great opportunity to utilize those subs w/good torps - because he's going to need quite a number of transports to get those 8 Divisions where-ever he needs them to go. It would make sense to flood the Philippines with your sub fleet when he tries to move them - you may just get lucky or at least force him to take a longer way around (not to mention, great intelligence as to where he is moving them next).

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 8:38:17 PM   
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Thanks for the comments, insights and suggestions, guys.  To be honest, Alfred stated the obvious.  When I then tried to explain that I got the obvious, he replied by pointing out that my reply was obvious, so that nothing much was being gained in the translation.  :)

NoPac: KB remains stationed near Anchorage.  For the third time, the Allies are embarking an infantry battalion and a combat engineer unit at Seattle to reinforce Coal Harbor.  Both previous occasions I've had to recall the TF due to threats.  I'm looking for a window to slide in while the KB is absent.  BB New Mexico and CL Raleigh can provide cover to ward of the CL Oi TF that's loitering in the area.

DEI:  Batavia will fall any day now.  Steve can then move methodically across the island, roll through the other speed bumps, and invest Soerabaja, which is lightly held.  That base likely to fall in a month or less.

Luzon:  Japanese army at Clark Field rested again, which means the Allied rienforcements will arrive prior to the next attack. 

Bay of Bengal and India:  The Allies are going to begin implementing more aggressively a forward defense on the belief that it will be many weeks before Steve could press forward and, by that point, a series of moderately strong forward bases will provide good insulation and protection against any enemy desigsn on India.  The Allies paid 550 PP today to buy 19th Indian Division at Cochin.  This unit will be divided between Diego Garcia, Attu Atoll and Socatra, as Japan probably needs to take these bases - especially Socotra - in order to successfully blockade India.  Transports begin loading tonight.  Another Indian division is on the way. When the transports return, the current plan is to buy the second division and divide it between more forward bases - probably in the Port Blair/Great Nicobars/Sumatra islands area.  The Aussie division is aboard transports SE of Colombo.  I'm still planning to commit her to Sabang or the forested base to the east, though that is under constant evaluation.

Edited: To correct date.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 10:50:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right on - how often in this game do you get a fix on both KB and mini-KB that allows you to go where they aint!
Unless he is prepared to commit major surface forces the Coal Harbour convoy should get through.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/20/2012 11:35:31 PM   
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NoPac:  KB still in place near Anchorage.  Transport TF at Seattle loaded and awaiting arrival of BB New Mexico TF, which is probably two days out.

DEI and Oz:  Batavia falls.  The 60 AV (or so) held out for weeks, showing just how weak are the enemy forces in Java.  The IJA tank unit that landed at Wyndam has moved inland to Katherine. We'll see if it can punch through the small garrison.  A reinforcing UK division will arrive at Perth in five days or less.  This force will hold Perth while some of the smaller Oz units will guard the interior rail line bases.

Bay of Bengal and India:  Did I mention that Rangoon fell a few days ago?  The garrison was about 30 AV and held for several weeks.

More about what might happen:  I think it's accurate to say that Japan has a window from the start to around August or September of 1942 in which it can go wherever it wants to (by massing force to overcome any conceivable opposition no matter how strong) but not everywhere it wants to.  After the end of summer, the Allies are strong enough to begin taking on Japan where and when needed.

So I'm trying to develop a defense that gets the Allies through this window period in good shape - shape sufficient to prevent a Japanese auto victory.  That's really my only objective at the moment.  Since PH is a very gifted, experienced and aggressive player, as Alfred noted, this is a daunting challenge.  Since PH is largely an unknown to me, I am also a bit in the dark.

India and Oz are the two most "compact" routes to auto victory, IMO.  But there are other ways to cobble together solid punches in an effort to score a "composite" auto victory.  A strat bombing campaign against CONUS in conjunction with some other major moves is one.  I think Steve will do the former.  As for the complimenting actions, I think China and Oz are most likely, but India is always a concern this early in the game.

The game has developed to this point that I think any conceivable move on India would be very late, so I'm preparing a more forward defense.  Rather than concentrating all my troops in India itself, the major bases that might impede and frustrate a move on India are getting attention.  I don't know how late a player might invade India, but the earlier the better.  My hunch is that waiting until summer - if the Allied player has been attending to matters - would make it nearly impossible to succeed.  With a forward defense, I think I can secure this particular "window," making a move on India very problematic and risky for Steve.

A move on Oz is much easier for him to orchestrate, so Oz will get plenty of fighter squadrons from the USA, plus some infantry and armor from both UK and USA.

I don't think I can afford to oppose an all out Japanese move on Hawaii in early 1942, so I'm not even going to worry about that.  I don't think Hawaii is a good means for IJ auto victory, so I'd rather concentrate on CONUS, Oz and India.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 7:50:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt that Japan's window to go wherever it wants is until August or September. It's May in my PBEM vs Cuttlefish and my frontline is strong enough that Japan sure can't go wherever it wants if I don't want it going there. I would say that window ends sometime in March at the latest, but not in September. Because by March you should have been able to reinforce certain areas that strongly that these areas are already one of those places where Japan might be able to go but then the question remains if Japan will be able to achive something after going there.

My last PBEM that was abandoned by my overly confident Japanese opponent saw the Japanese landing a dozen divisions in West, East and Southern Australia in March and the result was a hundred ships sunk, at least two divs sunk at Sea, total Allied airsuperiority and no chance at all to achieve anything else than taking empty bases which of course resulted in the vanishing without any notice of my Japanese opponent.

I think Allied players tend to think too much about how strong the Japanese are when they aren't really that strong. And worrying about Hawaii is the last to do as an Allied player, if you don't completely empty it, the Japanese doesn't even have the slightest chance to take it.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 12:43:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brother, you pick the right scenario, the right Japanese player, and the right Allied player, and Japan can go wherever it wants through the summer of '42.

Scenario Two against an experienced and aggressive Japanese player is a bear. At least it is for me.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 12:56:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been playing PH before and have done more than well (been WITP though - even easier for the IJ), I have knocked out the most agressive player I have seen in all the years in my last PBEM when he got overconfident. Believe me, he can't land on Hawaii, he can't land on Con US and he probably can't take Australia because you are not a noob. I know scen 2 because I have been playing it and it was a scen 2 PBEM when my opponent landed a dozen divs on Australia in March. Knowing the scenario doesn't change my oppinion about PH, your abilities and the Japanese possibilities overall. And the Japanese can only go whereever they want if a) the Japanese player is very experienced together with b) it's the first PBEM of the Allied player and he has never played the AI before.

I am not sure where all the panicking is coming from (at least that's what I think when I read various comments in this AAR) and I don't expect PH to even try on any of these three targets (I don't even mention India). If he would, he would lose and the game is over.

These PBEMs where the Japanese player actually thinks he can do whatever he wants are those that end rather soon when they wake up from their wet dream. Funnily enough, my last AAR was titled "ending an IJ wet dream" which could not have been any more spot on because the IJ player thought he could go havoc, exploiting the amphib bonus to the max landing on the whole map in the first couple of weeks while still having to find out that the Allied player can hit him hard after the first couple of weeks. That's when those ppl vanish, don't know how often I have experienced this myself already and even more often seen on the AAR forum.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 1:21:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forget India, Aus, Hawaii etc..........China is the key in Scn 2 for the japs IMO.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 2:20:36 PM   
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NoPac:  KB launches another raids vs. Anchorage.  Time for the transports to sprint (as best they can) from Seattle to Coal Harbor.  New Mexico/Raleigh TF will try to ward off the Japanese combat TF standing patrol nearby.  IJ airfield at Alliford Bay or Annette Island (I forget which) goes to level two.  Steve is building infrastructure, but it seems like he'll need fields much closer to the big targets in order to effectively use bombers.

Oz:  IJ tanks take Katherine.

Cocos Island:  My transports refuse to unload guns here, so part of Eastern Fleet (including naval support) will move here from Colombo.

DEI:  IJ naval vessels sighted in the Straits of Malacca.  It's generally frowned on to sail past Singers until Japan takes it, so I'll ask Steve about this.

China:  Steve has been working units around the map edges - some coming through the Vietnamese jungles, others through the rough country bordering Mongolia/Russia.  I'm aware of these and have picket units posted to protect vital bases and roads.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 3:25:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with CT. Against another opponent that isn´t as experienced as you India/OZ might be doable as late as aug/sept. But now I think he already lost that chance by dumping 8 divisions on the Philippines. If he wants to take Oz or India he should have used all his might to grab the important stuff in DEI as fast as possible and then imediately go for Oz or India. Hawaii is out of the question imo. Its not worth the effort.

I also strongly agree with Miller. China is a perfect target for the Jap. Its seriously imbalanced. He just needs to buy out the tanks from Manchuria and set his airforce to work and its more or less a sure win. Its also very close to the HI and impossible for you to reinforce with non Chinese units. If he starts bombing your supply you will run out very fast!

I´m nowhere near as experienced as you but just look though some AARs and see how easy the Jap can grab China.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 3:44:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty confident in my ability to handle China under any kind of normal assault.  Of course, all bets are off if Steve dumps most of his divisions there....but if he does so that takes the heat off the Allies everywhere else.

I'm not buying the kind comments that a gifted IJ player couldn't "prosper" against a player of my experience.  Just two games back, Q-Ball came within a gray squirrel's toenail of taking India against me.  My deficiencies played a big part in that, but, hey, that's part of my makeup.  I don't think I've progressed all that far since then, and I know that PH is just as aggressive - perhaps moreso - than is Q-Ball.  So I'm worried.  But that's just me.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 4:56:09 PM   
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NoPac:  New Mexico and Raleigh tangled with the Oi TF, which put two torpedoes into the BB.  Later in the day Vals and Kates came calling from part of the KB positioned to ambush.  Two more TTs into New Mexico finished her off.  I don't know whether Raleigh will make it.  Oi took heavy damage, but that's small consolation.  We'll stick to air transport to reinforce and supply Coal Harbor, which currently has 135 AV behind two forts.  Part of the KB is up around Cold Bay in the Aleutians.

Oz:  More IJ activty around Darwin, Katherine and Wyndam.  Steve will be able to lock up this sector in a matter of weeks.

Clark Field:  IJ deliberate attack fails at 1:1, with Japan taking the greater casualties.  Most of his eight divisions had adjusted AVs down between 100 and 200.  I hope that this campaign frazzles them enough to require some decent R&R.


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 5:37:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'm not buying the kind comments that a gifted IJ player couldn't "prosper" against a player of my experience.  Just two games back, Q-Ball came within a gray squirrel's toenail of taking India against me.  My deficiencies played a big part in that, but, hey, that's part of my makeup.  I don't think I've progressed all that far since then, and I know that PH is just as aggressive - perhaps moreso - than is Q-Ball.  So I'm worried.  But that's just me.


Bah, you are being too modest! Sure you don´t have any swedish blood in the family?


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 6:17:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Kate/Val ambush at Coal Harbour makes me wonder if the Anchorage attacks were just maskarovka to make you think all of KB was there. It worked on me!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 6:40:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could be.  It was a nicely set trap.  I should have used my picket ships more effectively.

I might be able to use this somewhat.  I think Steve wants to draw as many assets to NoPac as possible.  He probably wants a big battle there, both to destroy major Allied assets, and possibly also to draw them away from Oz and/or India.

Feeding New Mexico (and previously Warsite, which took damage) into the vortex plays into PH's desires, if I'm reading him correctly.  But that's about it for committing major assets.  All the other ships - especially the carriers - will remain where they are.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 7:16:04 PM   
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NoPac:  No major action today, but lots of IJ shipping at several enemy bases north of Coal Harbor.  I decided to commit the five fighter squadrons retrieved from Hawaii to the defense of West Coast, deciding that is a more proximate concern than Oz.  Besides, Oz is getting five or six fighter squadrons from USA, via Capetown.

CenPac:  I-2 near LA misses BB Warspite.  Well to the south, a combat TF including CAs Louisville and Canberra ambush a small IJ TF near Ocean Island, sinking CL Katori and two PB.

Oz:  Steve is coming a little heavier now for Darwin via the back door (landing tank units at Wyndham).  I wont fight in NW Oz, so he'll take this area within the month.  Further south, a Brit division is unloading at Perth.

DEI:  Nothing of particular moment.

Clark Field:  More than 100 Bettys plus another hundred bombers hit the troops here.

China:  Steve has been committing a fair number of bombers here for quite some time, so even though he hasn't made any progress on the ground (to speak of), he's got plans for the future.


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 7:25:51 PM   
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Feeding New Mexico (and previously Warsite, which took damage) into the vortex plays into PH's desires, if I'm reading him correctly. 


Tell that the the Chiefs for Staff when they find out you lost a BB to a CL 3 weeks into the war. Although the press wrote it as a heroic victory you will be commanding the garrison at the Panama Canal......on the Atlantic Side!!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 7:55:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fortunatley, I can communicate privately with the Joint Chiefs, giving them all the reasons we can benefit from the effusion of blood occuring as a result of our calculated and our miscalculated moves.

Hey, we're more than six weeks into the war!  And anyhow, I've got to put up at least a semblance of a fight in NoPac or Steve will grow bored with the game.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 8:20:56 PM   
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NoPac: New Mexico and Raleigh tangled with the Oi TF, which put two torpedoes into the BB. Later in the day Vals and Kates came calling from part of the KB positioned to ambush. Two more TTs into New Mexico finished her off. I don't know whether Raleigh will make it. Oi took heavy damage, but that's small consolation.


Well, with luck that floating Long Lance dispenser will not be back until the USN dominates the Pacific. Did Raleigh take damage from the surface or the air action?

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/21/2012 9:11:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/22/2012 3:23:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been away from the AAR for awhile and missed how PH got Japanese land forces into the Darwin area when you had those US CVs in the area? Did he obtain a sufficient LBA presence in Timor to cover his forces and force your CVs away?

Too bad as I thought you'd bloody his nose if he tried to land in northern OZ.

My 2 cents on his future intentions.....I don't know, but, like you, I think India is not on the list But, the tell will likely be where those Divs go that are currently on Luzon. I'm certain you will keep a sharp eye on those eight Uglies. Maybe with your "advanced" torpedos, you can set a little trap off Manila Bay or other likely exit ports and let the sea swallow a couple of them.

Castor Troy, would you please release the name (computer) of your Japanese opponent that just disappeared 5 months into the game? I'd like to be sure that I do not accept a game from him. That is a very unsporting thing to do.

One thing about your AARs Canoerebel, they always produce a lot of interesting jabber and opinion. Interesting stuff. Thanks for taking the time to maintain it.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/22/2012 4:48:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The whole Timor to NW Oz region became a hive of enemy activity over the course of a month.  With Lautem in Steve's hands and the Mini KB on station (unitl it later moved into the Pacific), I thought loitering in the area would be dangerous, because it was expected, so I moved the carriers away - one to refuel at Perth, the other (plus the RN carriers) to cover Cocos Island. 

Steve waited to get his ducks in a row and then did a quick tank-unit landing at Wyndham.  I tried to intercept with combat ships, but was too late and got them coming back out from the beaches.

It's risky for the Allies to try to oppose a Japanese invasion of the Darwin area.  Usually, I'd prefer to attend to regions that are more important and more suitable for good defensive work.

I would've fought harder if he had come sooner. But he waited until he had his ducks in a row.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/22/2012 6:24:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		CR, now that I have had a look at the map again, Coal Harbour does not seem a great place to make a defensive stand because its development potential is only 3/4. Victoria and Vancouver on the other hand can go to 9/8 and are mostly there already. Maybe those troops for Coal Harbour should go to one of those locations and your B-17s should go to work on the bases PzJH is trying to build up?

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/22/2012 7:17:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: princep01


Castor Troy, would you please release the name (computer) of your Japanese opponent that just disappeared 5 months into the game? I'd like to be sure that I do not accept a game from him. That is a very unsporting thing to do.



bluebook, the AAR should still be around somewhere.


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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 6/22/2012 2:10:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Castor Troy..thank you. Blurbook.....that is a name I shall remember.

Canonrebel, thank you for the update on the developments in the Darwin area.

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