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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/9/2012 8:14:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

With the provision that an even trade is a sure victory for the Allies, it looks like Jocke probably won this battle.



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A 1:1 loss in CVs is a no win for Japan. If he can get either Yorktown or Enterprise back to Suva and is able to salvage her, then you will have even a great loss than you have now. But, not till '44.


Exactly my feelings! hard to handle, but it's the game. Only a few well aimed torpedoes could make this a tactical victory, but strategically it's surely a loss. I feel at least it's late enough in 42 that it will keep him from launching anything before the Essex's get online anyway, considering he also had losses. But yes, for later 43 onward, it's a big loss for the Japanese.

I'm getting used to that!

PS - The one caveat is that I have already bought Soryu's zero group back, and will buy all others back immediately if and when they go under. It can't replace the mobility of CVs, but my centers of LBA are at least becoming very well established in South and Central Pacific. The 4Es will have their say, but I might be able to still fight with some tools into 44 and delay the inevitable collapse until 45. That is the goal.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/9/2012 8:41:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Americans in "Servere Storms" and the IJ in "light/heavy rain" .. it seems the weather favored the Allies in this clash resulting in an even trade it looks like .. with the exception of the Essex class CV's now in queue ..

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/9/2012 8:47:13 PM   
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A little bit more sure about the Big E after today.

subs: The Gato puts Shokaku out of her misery. Zuikaku also went under in spite of my hopes that her fires would go out and she could make it.

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Submarine attack near Efate at 124,154

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gato

CV Shokaku is sighted by SS Gato
SS Gato launches 6 torpedoes

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The I-176 nearly made the day a lot better, but I have had terrible luck with subs actually following through and hitting capital ships.

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Sub attack near Nadi at 130,160

Japanese Ships
SS I-176, hits 3

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales
DD Nepal
DD Foxhound


SS I-176 launches 6 torpedoes at BB Prince of Wales
DD Nepal fails to find sub and abandons search

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The I-20 nails a DD. Not what we were looking for either!

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Sub attack near Nadi at 130,161

Japanese Ships
SS I-20

Allied Ships
DD Bailey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Stuart

SS I-20 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Bailey
I-20 diving deep ....
DD Stuart fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stuart fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stuart attacking submerged sub ....
DD Stuart fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Stuart fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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This was fun. The escorts forced the KVII to surface and nailed her with gunfire!

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Submarine attack near Ambrym at 122,151

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
CLAA Tatsuta
CLAA Tenryu
CS Chiyoda
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS KVII, hits 13, and is sunk



SS KVII is sighted by escort
KVII diving deep ....
DD Suzukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yamakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yamakaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Yamakaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Yamakaze is out of ASW ammo
SS KVII forced to surface!
DD Suzukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Suzukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Suzukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Suzukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves


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So Pac: Finally, in an 8 hex attack, our Kates made the exchange a little more bearable. If the Big E can survive this, she is truly as lucky as her real life counterpart.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Yasawa Islands at 127,157

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 37
B5N2 Kate x 50



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Bomb hits 1
CA Quincy, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Atlanta, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD McCalla
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Craven, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Cushing, Bomb hits 1, on fire



Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
5 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring an Allied BB
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Patterson

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All in all, not a bad day, and subs are moving to pick up any more pieces that fall too slowly back to Suva. Even after that, these heavily damaged ships will not be able to be repaired much here, and will have a long journey to the nearest shipyard big enough to handle them.

Can Auckland be built big enough, or would he have to take them to Sydney?

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/9/2012 8:50:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

The Americans in "Servere Storms" and the IJ in "light/heavy rain" .. it seems the weather favored the Allies in this clash resulting in an even trade it looks like .. with the exception of the Essex class CV's now in queue ..


That's about it. Although, the reaction by Tamon Yamaguchi also changed things up a lot. It split the CAP and probably made attacks come in smaller than they might have were both groups in one hex. Also, the US attack might have hit more ships, but each less hard, which would have surely been preferable. This is the biggest issue in the exchange for me. But I learned something from it, so that's fine. I'll take it and move forward.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/9/2012 11:35:32 PM   
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In spite of these precautions, the massive CV TFs were not seen on sigint or through search. His CVs were in three TFs, two in one hex and one in another. Unofrtunately for me, there were severe storms over all of his carriers and only moderate rains over mine. I'm not sure if this is why so few of my planes flew, ...

This likely accounts for 99% of it. Remember, aircraft at this time were not all weather. Storms can, and did, hide TF's. Both sides used them to their advantage throughout the war. In game, it is really hard to account for them.

One of the faults of the game engine with respect weather is that when under severe storms TF can't be detected (absolutely correct), but they also shouldn't be able to launch (which they often do). 30 ft swells pretty much puts the damper on flight op's in this era. The only thing you can do as a player (that I know of, looking for other inputs here), is to be sure your weather in on for the hexes and just ASSUME the enemy CV's are there where they can launch, but not be attacked effectively, and plan accordingly. This adds a big twist in plotting TF movement ....

I have found that if I really push a lot of Search into a storm area I can get some visibility, but it takes a LOT.

So, this result is historically accurate in that you couldn't see him to attack effectively. However, you have to stretch here a bit and say that the enemy jumped out of the "soup", launched his attack and then ducked back into the storms again for cover. Possible, definitely possible, ... but it seems to happen a bit too frequently.

Anyway, it's happened and now you have to work with the pieces.

Good news!! you've had your mini-Midway 5 months later than historical and you aren't as bad off as history. Your losses are less, and you appear to have gotten at least one and maybe 2 allied CV's.



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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/9/2012 11:53:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Mike, stated, this set back really won't hurt you for another year.  So, your expansion stops a couple of months early.  No big deal.  Start ramping up your defensive posture.  Buy those air groups back our ASAP.  You'll need them and with Graces and Georges they will be good units for you.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 12:03:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		My thoughts exactly Pax. It is just one of those things you can't always control in the game, and I'm learning a lot more about those things! But even with those issues we also did some damage. There is still a shot to do more as these ships potentially leave the area. Subs will be concentrated near there for a long time, as well as on the approaches to Auckland and Sydney.

It doesn't really make me too upset. If I had creamed the Allied TFs and not lost mine it would have made me a lot happier, but really this game is so much about time. Almost to 43, I have several accelerated CVs coming up in early 43. The Judy (!) and A6M5 in 2/43 at least, and the Jill just after that. There is a lot to look forward to and the Allies are not in a good position to take advantage of this exchange quite yet. They have to focus now on how to save 1 and maybe 2 CVs. Build back air and pilot pools from massive losses of SBDs especially.

My defenses are getting stronger everyday. I was praying he would have come after me with the rest of his healthy TFs as there are 100 Netties in the Tulagi area plus about 80 Zeros and 30 Nicks and Ndeni. That would have been unwise. He probably wanted me to do the same.

I still hold Noumea with strength. I will try to extricate the division and brigade from Anatom and leave an SNLF there. That may have to be in dribs and drabs until I know where CVs are again. I have many of the lost CVs air groups still in partial strength units, which can augment defenses until the full strength groups arrive.

I've learned a bit, and have had some fun. Now the remains of the KB will have to go into hiding to make sure he doesn't know what I have or where it could turn up.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 4:38:07 AM   
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A few more bits of follow-up and then some picking up of pieces.

subs: The I-20 got a look at the NC, shot a spread of 8 (!) but couldn't put one on target. Again a missed capital ship! The only good thing about this is the small bit of intel that the Enterprise is not sighted with these ships. Even after taking 3 torpedoes on the first day of attacks, it stayed with it's escorts and NC. There were some anonymous sinking sounds later in this turn. There were a few Allied ships close, but none closer than Enterprise.

A trap set for subs leaving the DEI caught one today, and Pickerel looks to be done.

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Sub attack near Suva at 131,161

Japanese Ships
SS I-20, hits 1

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
CA Portland
DD Henley
DD Benham



SS I-20 launches 8 torpedoes at BB North Carolina
DD Benham fails to find sub, continues to search...

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ASW attack near Denpasar at 59,108

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 15
SC Ch 33
SC Ch 28

Allied Ships
SS Pickerel, hits 4, heavy damage



SS Pickerel is sighted by escort
Pickerel bottoming out ....
SC Ch 33 fails to find sub and abandons search
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 attacking submerged sub ....
Debris floats to surface in area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub

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So Pac: At Anatom 4Es hit the fields hard. There are about 65 engineers here though, so he'll have to work hard to shut this down consistently. I'm not planning on using the fields anyway.

All remnants of sunk CV groups are gathering at Munda to be put back together. There are some bigger useful chunks. Some planes are still caught getting repaired at Luganville, and I'm just waiting for Jocke to bomb that to dust.

One good thing is that neither the Junyo or the Ryujo will need to head to the HI to repair. The AR at Tulagi can fix both and they should be ready in less than a month.

The plan is to set lines of Glen subs South of Suva, to the West near Noumea, and to the East between the Fiji islands and Pago Pago. If conditions are right there is a chance many more could vector in.

The Hiryu and Shoho are on their way back to the Solomons. I've been thinking about numbers, and until the Hellcat arrives, I may still have a slight advantage before any damaged Allied CV is repaired. This will only mean that I can defend my own territory more or less. Subs will have to do the hunting for wounded ships.

Hornet - 100
Saratoga - 100
Lexington- 100
CVEs? - 20-60?
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320-60

Kaga - 80
Akagi - 80
Hiryu - 65
Junyo - 52
Hiyo - 52
Ryujo - 48
Zuiho - 30
Ryuho - 30
Shoho - 30
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Burma: At Katha 25 P-40K swept to hit bleeding CAP. No planes are based there.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 11:44:42 AM   
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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 12:10:06 PM   
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subs: My subs continue to ply the channel near Nadi and Suva. Something parked in Nadi, which is new. He had no ships there previously, so I'm sure that is an injured one. I'll recon to see.

So Pac: Just getting sorted which ships get repairs first really. I keep having the thought that he could raid up here in the idea of hitting a bunch in the port at Tulagi. Then I think about the hundreds of planes in the area and realize this might not be a good choice on his part. Kind of the same as me trying to raid Suva with it's 150 P-39s!

JPC: Supply is flowing into the mountains now. From both sides. I dropped about 50k into Rangoon and Hong Kong near the same time, and that has pushed all bases out of the red and yellow flag state. Finally. Mengtze is nearly an airbase. I like the small rail network up here through Kunming to the bases on each side. If bases in Burma are crushed it gives another good option and from the bomber bases he uses currently it is out of range of the 2Es.

I'm thinking supply must still be an issue for KMT troops in the central reserve. He only has about 180 total LI points working, and no fuel to supply the Chunking HI. So almost 800k soldiers still might never get into fighting shape.

How much can the Allies bring over the hump with a concerted effort in 43-44. Maybe 150-200 supply points a day, using all available transports?

Burma: As with the mountains all bases in Burma now have supply to go our of the red/yellow stage. Forts are getting into the level 4 range for most bases. Some higher. The oil at Magwe is down to 43 after the recent bombing, but amazingly is still churning out some of the stuff. I'll let the fuel stay in Rangoon now to fuel the fleet, and try to draw some to ports along the peninsula.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 12:14:40 PM   
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Were your KB-bombers still on ASW duty when the battle happened?


I used the Hosho group as an ASW specialty group since there were no torps there. Some groups that had been around for a while and had good ASW were on Naval Bombing (torps) 10% ASW and 10% search.

During the turn I had several turning back due to weather/unable to find target kinds of things. The severe storms seemed to be the biggest factor in fewer planes attacking. I didn't even catch a glimpse of he Sara and Lex group.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 12:48:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Allies get another 3 CVEs in Dec 42 and very little until the Essex shows up in May 43. Once that happens, the flood gates are open as he will get 2 to 3 CV/CVL/CVE a month for some time. So, another 6 months before the tide changes for good.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 10:29:48 PM   
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The Allies get another 3 CVEs in Dec 42 and very little until the Essex shows up in May 43. Once that happens, the flood gates are open as he will get 2 to 3 CV/CVL/CVE a month for some time. So, another 6 months before the tide changes for good.


Just considering all of this makes me think as long as there are no more catastrophes before this time next year, we would be running to about even until maybe September or October, when he will pull away quickly in CV strength. If I can keep pushing back hard until then, it will be a long road to Tokyo at least.

Also, the George will be around, and I'll have those three extra groups flying it. Whether I'll have bases to fly from with the 4Es around will remain to be seen.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) -... - 6/10/2012 10:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		He doesn't get that many 4E's until later in '43 also.  So, you have time here to get all of your defenses in place. 

If you're still thinking offense at this time ... well read Greyjoy/rader's AAR amoung many others.  IJ players pursuing offense in '43 have a long history of demise.  Every offensive naval action is a gamble with the odds against you.  A defensive action with proper intel is your opportunity to edge the odds in your favor.  Read PzB's AAR to see how effective that is.  And note that he went on defensive after a decisive naval victory in '42 and stayed on defensive.  He had his boundaries set and did not cross them, did not overexpand his defensive perimeter.

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 6/11/2012 10:39:41 AM   
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He doesn't get that many 4E's until later in '43 also.  So, you have time here to get all of your defenses in place. 

If you're still thinking offense at this time ... well read Greyjoy/rader's AAR amoung many others.  IJ players pursuing offense in '43 have a long history of demise.  Every offensive naval action is a gamble with the odds against you.  A defensive action with proper intel is your opportunity to edge the odds in your favor.  Read PzB's AAR to see how effective that is.  And note that he went on defensive after a decisive naval victory in '42 and stayed on defensive.  He had his boundaries set and did not cross them, did not overexpand his defensive perimeter.


The Greyjoy success in hitting any late Japanese offensive is etched in my mind for good. This Anatom invasion was from the beginning meant to be my last foray in the area before pulling back, as I mentioned earlier. All efforts now will go toward hiding the CVs and building defenses. Of course I still wonder where the defenses should begin in this particular game.

I need to read more of how to us the KB as a right hook after the LBA jabs as PzB does so effectively.

I'm also pulling back in other areas. The Aleautians will have several 'fortresses,' at Adak and Attu, but I feel overextended there for any concentrated defense. If I hold Adak or Attu into the winter of 43-44 it will be a huge success in my book. That will be the goal, and other bases will be weakened so that critical units can be pulled back to the Kuriles. Cold Bay will remain an outpost to search the area and recon Kodiak, but only while he allows. If 4Es move in this will be shut down quickly.

A few questions.

1. I have two divisions South of the Solomons. Noumea and Koumac are building toward level 4 forts, but I'm feeling it would be better to have them at Milne Bay and at Ndeni. Any invasion of Ndeni will have to take on LBA in a big way, and at distance with 4E bombing lightly supported by escorts or sweeps. That would change though if I just left New Caledonia and the New Hebrides unguarded.

So the question is where do I start the fight? Should I keep the units far South, somewhat forcing him to invade there first, stalling for time while losing these valuable units? Or do I pull them back and give him the New Hebrides and Noumea, thereby bringing 4Es into range of Tulagi and the first ring of defenses?

2. If I do fight in the area South of the Solomons do I use the weakened but still strong KB supported by LBA from level 2 fields Anatom, Koumac, Luganville and Noumea? Mainly as I described, in a second punch kind of way, only if the US CVs are committed, have taken air losses and we have the element of surprise. Or do I leave this to token LBA groups only and a few surface raiding TFs?

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RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) - 6/12/2012 12:20:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is always the concern that the allies can just bypass any stronghold.  They effectively did that to Truk and then came back and trashed it.  To avoid this you have to make it such that if they bypass it the cost will be really high.  Historically, this was certainly possible.  In game, I'm not so sure you can do it.

Reviewing PzB's AAR regarding Christmas island, and Andy was able to completely demolish it with 4E's attacks even though it had very high forts (lvl 6).  This is in contrast to what befell the Marines who landed at Tarawa and Iwo.  500 lb bombs should not be able to penetrate high forts, say above level 4 or 5, but in game they do.  Oh well.  This means you cannot put high supply on an island and have it withstand attack.  So, static defense is out.  You have to go with a fluid defense, fortunately PzB's AAR demonstrates this nicely. 

He keeps a perimeter of 'trip-wire' bases behind which he is prepared to aggressively counter-attack from.  His defense of Waingapoe is a classic.  Granted, Andy had some bad luck, but I think even so PzB would have carried it anyway.  He was able to bring to bear +2000 planes and what 5 div's within a few days of spotting Andy.  Even though he lost control of Waingapoe for a few days, he was able to take it back and eject the allies from the island.  I think it mandatory reading for players.  Having a complete KB certainly helps, but do not ignore the huge LBA component of what he did.  I think with the correct planning and staging of forces, you can get the LBA where it needs to be just as fast as the KB.  This has yet to be proven ... hopefully you will!

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subs: Found this near OZ. I thought at first this could be an invasion force to take advantage of the quiet in the area, and my momentary inability to react. Then I remembered the damage to Canberra, and I think on of these DDs. I think they're just headed to Sydney to be repaired and either bringing units there or preparing to pick some up.

He's been using good escorts, but you'd think one day I'd get into one of these TFs and hit an AP. Hasn't happened yet, at all!

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ASW attack near Newcastle at 95,170

Japanese Ships
SS I-22, hits 1

Allied Ships
CA Canberra
DD Pope
DD Peary
DD Preston
AP Crescent City
AP Thomas Jefferson
AP President Monroe
AP Henderson
DD Rathburne
DD Kane

SS I-22 is sighted by escort
DD Rathburne fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Kane attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-22 eludes ASW attack from DD Kane
DD Kane cannot establish contact with SS I-22
SS I-22 eludes ASW attack from DD Kane
DD Kane attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-22 eludes DD Kane by diving deep
SS I-22 eludes ASW attack from DD Kane
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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So Pac: Another pounding of Anatom. He's not hitting the troops, yet, which makes me happy. I have no support units here, so wipe the airbase all day as far as I'm concerned. Not worried about forts really either. I'll be wanting to get most of these guys out of here anyway.

One more nice report. Usually these go the other way and come off of the list.

DD Laffey is reported to have been sunk near Suva on Oct 14, 1942

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Morning Air attack on Anatom , at 120,159

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 56
B-24D Liberator x 35
P-38G Lightning x 22


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 28
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 116

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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JPC: More reorganizatoins. Trying to actually organize Chinese divisions with the appropriate HQ. Something I've never done. Not sure it makes a difference, but it's kind of tidy. Okay, I do have a bit of OCD about certain things when I have the time. There should be a good 5k AV sitting in or near Kweiyang to stall any breakouts near there. Another 3-4k AV will head to Sian and the NW areas to sell something there. About 2k AV is in the mountains toward Burma. I've strengthened the garrisons all over the Center just to get engineers in and help build forts to 6. I'll do this all over China. If he ever does break out, there will be a lot in his way.

I'm also building several bases in the foothills of IndoChina. Lao Cai will be the main base as it's on a rail line. I can use this as troops push through Burma or for longer range bombers as the war progresses. Or just as a staging base to keep planes out of harm's way until I want to use them.

Burma: Supply is flooding in and bases are all getting into the forts level 4 area. I'd like ALL of them at 6. I need to start thinking about where to start a defensive line. Not sure if I should put it in the woods right on the the India border, or stick to the cities and plains and make the solid line behind in the Eastern jungles of Burma.

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subs: Just the Tunny dudding on a TF near the Chinese coast. There seem to be 1-2 of these a day now. I'm most likely going to pay soon when the torps work better.

So Pac: A smaller attack on Anatom today.

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Afternoon Air attack on Anatom , at 120,159

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 40
B-24D Liberator x 22
P-38G Lightning x 24


No Allied losses



Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 53

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Burma: Nothing today.

All IJNAF fighter groups have now been removed from Burma into the Andamans. Farther down the line from 4E bombing.

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subs: Lots of contacts with ASW TFs in the area around Suva. At least I'm making him nervous, which might mean the damaged ships are still in the area.

About 15 subs from other theaters are now converging toward the Solomons to be rebased at Tulagi. They're giving me nothing off of the West coast, in the North and around the islands of the Pacific. At least in this area there are ships to hit. I'll flood certain zones, especially approaches to Sydney.

I'm also sending in a midget sub. Just for kicks. I'll try to get to within 1 hex of Suva and release it to travel into the port.

If anyone has tips for better positioning sub patrols or just in how to get more contacts I'd appreciate any advice. I seem to have done well early and have now hit a dry spell. I'll try to back that up with numbers from Tracker within a few days. I usually don't position subs by using a stationary patrol, but I'm wondering if creating lines of static patrols might seal off an area better than multiple moving patrol zones.
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Sub attack near Kandavu Island at 129,167

Japanese Ships
SS RO-60

Allied Ships
PT TM-12
PT TM-14
PT TM-10

SS RO-60 cannot acquire firing solution on enemy PT
RO-60 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection

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ASW attack near Suva at 132,161

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Farenholt
DD Arrow
DD Woodworth



SS I-16 is sighted by escort
I-16 diving deep ....
DD Arrow fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Woodworth attacking submerged sub ....
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Kandavu Island at 129,167

Japanese Ships
SS RO-60

Allied Ships
PT TM-14
PT TM-10



SS RO-60 is sighted by escort
RO-60 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection


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ASW attack near Gau Island at 133,162

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Farenholt
DD Arrow
DD Woodworth



SS I-16 is sighted by escort
I-16 diving deep ....
DD Arrow fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Woodworth attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-16 eludes DD Woodworth by diving deep
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Woodworth attacking submerged sub ....
DD Woodworth cannot reach attack position over SS I-16
DD Woodworth cannot reach attack position over SS I-16
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Woodworth fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Lord Howe Island at 105,170

Japanese Ships
SS I-7, hits 1

Allied Ships
DMS Long
xAP Kedah


SS I-7 launches 2 torpedoes at DMS Long
DMS Long fails to find sub, continues to search...
DMS Long attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-7 eludes ASW attack from DMS Long
DMS Long loses contact with SS I-7
DMS Long fails to find sub, continues to search...
DMS Long fails to find sub, continues to search...
DMS Long fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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So Pac: Recon does show multiple large TFs in the port, not disbanded, that appear to be 10 ship CV TFs. No CVs reported but the usual substitutes are shown. TK, BB, CA, AV. I'd say all is still here and some wounded are in port disbanded. There are 85 ships listed in Suva now.

HI: A new Air HQ arrives in Tokyo.I'm thinking this should go to the area around Kendari/Macassar, as it can support a 4 hex range.

6th Air Division arrives at Tokyo
25th JAAF AF Bn arrives at Tokyo
11th JAAF AF Bn arrives at Tokyo

Burma: Nothing.

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There is always the concern that the allies can just bypass any stronghold.  They effectively did that to Truk and then came back and trashed it.  To avoid this you have to make it such that if they bypass it the cost will be really high.  Historically, this was certainly possible.  In game, I'm not so sure you can do it.

Reviewing PzB's AAR regarding Christmas island, and Andy was able to completely demolish it with 4E's attacks even though it had very high forts (lvl 6).  This is in contrast to what befell the Marines who landed at Tarawa and Iwo.  500 lb bombs should not be able to penetrate high forts, say above level 4 or 5, but in game they do.  Oh well.  This means you cannot put high supply on an island and have it withstand attack.  So, static defense is out.  You have to go with a fluid defense, fortunately PzB's AAR demonstrates this nicely. 

He keeps a perimeter of 'trip-wire' bases behind which he is prepared to aggressively counter-attack from.  His defense of Waingapoe is a classic.  Granted, Andy had some bad luck, but I think even so PzB would have carried it anyway.  He was able to bring to bear +2000 planes and what 5 div's within a few days of spotting Andy.  Even though he lost control of Waingapoe for a few days, he was able to take it back and eject the allies from the island.  I think it mandatory reading for players.  Having a complete KB certainly helps, but do not ignore the huge LBA component of what he did.  I think with the correct planning and staging of forces, you can get the LBA where it needs to be just as fast as the KB.  This has yet to be proven ... hopefully you will!


This is my fear. If I leave the there, he just heads to Luganville and bypasses the strongpoints.

The only way this PzB style of defense can work, it seems to me, is to have strong depth in the area in question. That's not possible in the lower reaches of the New Hebrides and new Caledonia. I have to prepare to let him come to me. (I did read that AAR during the attack on Wangipoe, but I should review it for sure).

So the decision I'm leaning toward is removing the divisions from Anatom and Noumea/Koumac. Leaving SNLFs there so it's not a complete cake walk with the level 4 forts. The issue is how to remove those units. I haven't yet tried fast transport pick-ups but that seems like the best option now. It'll take quite a few trips. I could at least start this, but he'll catch on quickly I think and his CVs are in very close proximity to Anatom especially. Some combination of air transport and fast transport might be necessary. In about a month when the CVs are repaired I could risk covering an amphib TF, but I'm leaning against this further risk of engagement when we're so close to even in strength. I'd rather wait for the Ryuho and Taiyo before trying that out.

Since the runway is trashed, I'll convert the Tinas to Mavis-L and station them at Luganville to start bringing the Anatom division there. I'll also get a small quick fast transport TF to Koumac and try to bring some of the division that's in Noumea out.

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Status: offline 		I don't think a trashed runway at your point of removal will matter to transports, point of origin does matter.  Tina's are far more efficient than Mavis if they are in range, but not that big of a deal.

Noumea, I tend to agree.  The only way to support is from the Hebrides/Santa Cruz; but even then he can easily cut you off by going at the Solomons from New Guinea.  Without Naval supremacy, I don't see being able to hold them, and even then I would ask why take the risk?

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I don't think a trashed runway at your point of removal will matter to transports, point of origin does matter.  Tina's are far more efficient than Mavis if they are in range, but not that big of a deal.

Noumea, I tend to agree.  The only way to support is from the Hebrides/Santa Cruz; but even then he can easily cut you off by going at the Solomons from New Guinea.  Without Naval supremacy, I don't see being able to hold them, and even then I would ask why take the risk?


After I posted my last report I watched a replay and realized that he's been reconning a base called Ambrym, a dot base two hexes SE of Luganville. My guess is that he clicked the wrong spot and hasn't checked since. So because there have been planes consistently at Luganville it's likely he hasn't noticed the large transport group now stationed there. I left the group as Tinas because this base is still in operation. There are also Nicks LR CAPing the base, so when he figures it out he might not get a free shot anyway.

I also flew a small group of Thalias to Belep, which I'll just keep going as another steady pull from Anatom. The Emilys can pull all of the way from Tulagi, and I'll leave this on until it looks like I'm losing planes to ops too often.

I hope to make the New Guinea route tough. A division just landed in Rabaul to be sent to Port Moresby. A brigade is due to Milne Bay.

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subs: Several sub attacks. Nothing hit.


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Sub attack near Shanghai at 95,60

Japanese Ships
xAK Seian Maru
PB Naruto Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS Wahoo



SS Wahoo launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Seian Maru
Wahoo bottoming out ....
PB Naruto Maru #3 fails to find sub, continues to search...


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Sub attack near Rambutyo at 103,120

Japanese Ships
TK Akebono Maru
SC Ch 4
TK Nissyo Maru
TK Goyo Maru
DD Hokaze

Allied Ships
SS Silversides



SS Silversides launches 4 torpedoes at TK Akebono Maru
Silversides diving deep ....
DD Hokaze fails to find sub, continues to search...


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ASW attack near Suva at 132,161

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Farenholt
DD Arrow
DD Woodworth



SS I-16 is located by DD Farenholt
I-16 diving deep ....
DD Arrow fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Woodworth attacking submerged sub ....
DD Woodworth is out of ASW ammo

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So Pac: The transports started picking up units today from Anatom. it'll be a long process. I also put together a good fast transport TF and set it just out of 20 hex search range above Ndeni. I'll just have to be very sneaky about this with CVs in the neighborhood.

The sub cordon around Suva is tightening. I just don't know if the ship I'm looking to trap is still here. Recon hasn't picked up anything that is definitely a CV in Suva.

The mini-sub carrier is nearing it's destination.

Burma: The sweep below looks bad but on the day 9 Tojos were lost to 5 Lightnings. I'll take that, as over our base only 2 pilots were lost.

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44



Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 25


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 30 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes

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What a useful plane so far in this war. I set up a factory and continued to build them after the beginning, and although it's now shut off I should have enough to take me until the bigger better Emily-L come online. I'll trade them off with Mavis as needed depending on the nature of the bases I'm pulling from and flying from.
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I'll leave this on until it looks like I'm losing planes to ops too often.


add 30% rest and you shouldn't lose any planes at all.

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I'll leave this on until it looks like I'm losing planes to ops too often.


add 30% rest and you shouldn't lose any planes at all.


Cool. I put them on 20% rest. I'll try 30%.

It seems to be pulling well. The Emilys just pick up so much. One day's run with them is virtually the same as one CL picking up troops.

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So Pac: He finally goes for the troops at Anatom. This one attack brought the disruption into the 70s for all units! That sucks. This is the first use of the B-25 in the Pacific so far. I've been wondering where they all are hiding.

No threats to the evacuation process so far.

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 120,159 (Anatom)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-17E Fortress x 33
B-24D Liberator x 26
B-25C Mitchell x 60
P-38G Lightning x 21


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
344 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Burma: The Allies hit Magwe with P-40K sweeps. They did't do so well.

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 49


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 9 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Raid is overhead
47th I.F.Chutai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
54th Sentai Det A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 24 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes


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So Pac: Another 4E raid hits Anatom. The troops are highly disrupted again. They're getting pulled out steadily nonetheless.

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 120,159 (Anatom)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 30
B-17E Fortress x 32
B-24D Liberator x 17
B-25C Mitchell x 60
P-38G Lightning x 16


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
235 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 120,159 (Anatom)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 8
B-24D Liberator x 8
P-38G Lightning x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 53rd Infantry Brigade ...
Also attacking 16th Division ...
Also attacking 53rd Infantry Brigade ...


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JPC: Helens and the few Sallys not yet replaced begin to stage near the Burma border for raids into India from Kunming, Lashio and Katha. I'll most likely just pop them in and then out every time I want to attack.

Burma: Massive bombing runs hit Magwe targeting oil again. Happily we got to the bombers today. The raids did take the oil to 28 (272) and a group of Lightings came in at the end to massacre my Tojos. Overall we were way ahead on the day though.

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 82


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 61
Wellington Ic x 42
P-40E Warhawk x 74


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 5 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington Ic: 10 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed

Oil hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
11 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
16 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
16 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(11 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 75



Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 16


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed


CAP engaged:
50th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (17 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
17 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 72



Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-17F Fortress x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-26 Marauder x 48
P-40E Warhawk x 24


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed by flak
P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed

Oil hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 51



Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 9 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31



Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 22


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
54th Sentai Det A with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.

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The Ki-56 'Thalia.' This has been the workhorse transport for the IJAAF so far. It's range makes it useful even over Pacific distances. One group is pulling from Anatom to Belep currently, and a few more are in the area to step in should they be needed.

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It's been a few days since the last update. RL happening full force these past few weeks. This weekly update will get me nearly caught up to the game.

subs: On the 28th a sub finally got into a big convoy and hit something with troops on it. That's a first in 11 months of the game.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 28, 42
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Sub attack near Nadi at 128,162

Japanese Ships
SS I-26, hits 1

Allied Ships
AP Crescent City, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CL St. Louis
DD Peary
DD Preston
DMS Long
AP Thomas Jefferson
AP President Monroe
AP Henderson
xAP Neptuna
xAP Kedah
DD Rathburne
DD Kane
DD Pope


Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


SS I-26 launches 2 torpedoes at AP Crescent City
DD Rathburne fails to find sub, continues to search...

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On the 29th the mini-sub attack on Suva turned into minesweeping. Oh, well. At least it got in there. I just saw 'Torpedo Run' and thought maybe it could be as lucky as the Grayfish, but not even close.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 29, 42
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TF 181 encounters mine field at Suva (132,160)

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-16, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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On the 4th our ASW trap in the straits near Den Passar likely took out the KXV with 5 hits, three of them solid showing explosions and the like. I'm also converting more of the small 11 knot Kiso class to ACMs. These are now less effective as escorts, and I'd like more minefields on small islands like Komodo that command a point of entry to the DEI.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 04, 42
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Sub attack near Denpasar at 59,108

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 28
SC Ch 15
SC Ch 33

Allied Ships
SS KXV, hits 5


Captain of SS KXV elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
KXV bottoming out ....
SC Ch 33 fails to find sub and abandons search
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 28 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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So Pac: On the 30th near Anatom I stupidly sent in the CLAA Tatsuya to try to pick up troops. The Boise and others met the ship and sunk it. So much for that idea.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 30, 42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Anatom at 120,159, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CLAA Tatsuta, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Boise, Shell hits 1
DD Mugford, Shell hits 2
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Henley
DD Jarvis
DD Gridley

Japanese ground losses:
213 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 17 (13 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 50% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
CLAA Tatsuta engages CL Boise at 8,000 yards

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Also on the 30th he began hitting the troops at Tanna. It is only a Coy here so they will go down quickly to this kind of bombing. I started to take the unit out after this.

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Morning Air attack on 8th Indpt SNLF Coy , at 120,157 (Tanna)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 30
Hudson III (LR) x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 36


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Again, on the 30th I was incensed when 4Es took out my Tina transports, which should have been in the air on their mission to pick up troops at Anatom over 500 miles away. Nearly the entire group was destroyed on the ground. Not sure why bombing missions get the planes off the fields during raids, but transport missions do not.

Regardlesss, this meant everything was moved back to Ndeni, probably where I should have placed them earlier.

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Morning Air attack on Luganville , at 120,150

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 51
B-24D Liberator x 35


Japanese aircraft losses
L3Y2 Tina: 10 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged


Airbase hits 28
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 107

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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JPC: More garrison units heading out to the islands. One just embarking for Buna.

Burma: On the 29th I launched what was supposed to be a large attack on an under protected Akyab. Weather turned it into a pinprick raid, but it did catch him with the CAP down. I wish the other 100 Helens would have flown.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 29, 42
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Afternoon Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 73
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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On December 2nd I sent sweeps over Imphal and bombed the oil at Ledo. I won't be taking it so I thought I might as well see if I could take it away from the Allies as well. Results were not bad, and at least the bombers flew this time. After the replay the Oil shows it lost 25 points to those 7 hits. Kunming was the launch point.

The sweeps were about even against determined a few groups of Hurri IIc.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 02, 42
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Morning Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 46


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 8 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 35600.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 7 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 8 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 35600.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 30


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31080 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 101 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed



CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 35600.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 35600.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Ledo , at 65,38

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 19
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 62
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 49



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged



Oil hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
30 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Recon shows everyday that the CVs are still hanging around Suva. I'm thinking this means he's finally serious about moving out and taking some of the New Hebrides and going at either Noumea or somewhere like Ndeni.

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Ok. Now I'm back online more. Moving before you expect to by about 2 weeks throws a wrench in everything.

subs: More of the subs I've taken from other areas are arriving in Tulagi. By the time they all arrive I should have around 30 circling the Suva area and a few more on the approaches to both Auckland and Sydney. If the Yorktown is indeed badly damaged and still in port, it has to move at some point, and I'd like to be ready. Also, everything in the So Pac area seems concentrated here.

Many of the ones arriving are in some state of damage and about 5 are on pier side or getting patched up with the repair ship there.

So Pac: Anatom troops get plastered. Another big strike. At least I'm still getting them out easily every turn. No attempts to LR CAP yet.

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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 120,159 (Anatom)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 29
B-17E Fortress x 51
B-24D Liberator x 32
B-25C Mitchell x 35
P-38G Lightning x 21


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
326 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Burma: This front seems quiet as most Allied planes have been moved back. Maybe the ineffectual attack of a few days ago had some lasting effect.

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