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Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 5:31:23 PM   
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Putin is spending some money on their air force by the looks of it..

http://www.rt.com/news/air-force-renovation-putin-459/



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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 6:40:29 PM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 8:57:28 PM   
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Undetected Russian nuclear sub 'patrolled Gulf of Mexico'

http://www.rt.com/news/mexican-gulf-russian-sub-740/

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 9:05:49 PM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 10:14:36 PM   
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Well the russian learned the hard way. If u can "force" other side to spend more money than the have, u win the war....

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Yes. But it was MORE than spending. They crumbled because their system was inherently flawed.

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 10:31:40 PM   
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Well the russian learned the hard way. If u can "force" other side to spend more money than the have, u win the war....

Rasmus


Yes. But it was MORE than spending. They crumbled because their system was inherently flawed.


True, that ofc raises the question what is inherently flawed. Guess time will tell, long after we are not here any more.

Rasmus

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 10:55:49 PM   
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True, that ofc raises the question what is inherently flawed. Guess time will tell, long after we are not here any more.

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Like historians still theorize why the Roman Empire fell...

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/15/2012 10:58:37 PM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 8:28:09 AM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:02:27 AM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 2:06:04 PM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 3:09:31 PM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:18:07 PM   
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Yeah and the there is this breaking news:

Undetected Russian nuclear sub 'patrolled Gulf of Mexico'

http://www.rt.com/news/mexican-gulf-russian-sub-740/


The plot thickens

Pentagon denies reports of Russian Sub

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:22:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: parusski

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True, that ofc raises the question what is inherently flawed. Guess time will tell, long after we are not here any more.

Rasmus


Like historians still theorize why the Roman Empire fell...



According to Ambrose, the Roman Empire fell apart because the rest of the world wore pants instead of togas.

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:24:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: parusski

Yeah and the there is this breaking news:

Undetected Russian nuclear sub 'patrolled Gulf of Mexico'

http://www.rt.com/news/mexican-gulf-russian-sub-740/


The plot thickens

Pentagon denies reports of Russian Sub



Now, now. Read the American government statement carefully:


Pentagon denied on Thursday media reports that a Russian nuclear powered submarine cruised unnoticed for several weeks in the Gulf of Mexico near the shores of the United States.

“I don't know what that information was based on, but it was not correct,” Wendy Snyder, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon, said.

So, what have you learned. What word sticks out in that statement??

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:37:53 PM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:47:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: parusski

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True, that ofc raises the question what is inherently flawed. Guess time will tell, long after we are not here any more.

Rasmus


Like historians still theorize why the Roman Empire fell...



According to Ambrose, the Roman Empire fell apart because the rest of the world wore pants instead of togas.


Yes, and the downfall began when Brutus, wearing black market jeans, pulled out a revolver and shot Caesar.

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/16/2012 11:51:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: parusski

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ORIGINAL: redcoat

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ORIGINAL: parusski

Yeah and the there is this breaking news:

Undetected Russian nuclear sub 'patrolled Gulf of Mexico'

http://www.rt.com/news/mexican-gulf-russian-sub-740/


The plot thickens

Pentagon denies reports of Russian Sub



Now, now. Read the American government statement carefully:

Pentagon denied on Thursday media reports that a Russian nuclear powered submarine cruised unnoticed for several weeks in the Gulf of Mexico near the shores of the United States.

“I don't know what that information was based on, but it was not correct,” Wendy Snyder, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon, said.

So, what have you learned. What word sticks out in that statement??




I understood the article perfectly. You have just repeated the POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. There was no UNNOTICED sub.

What I am suspicious about is the so-called Washington Free Beacon. Why did they post a story about an ‘undetected’ Russian sub? Do they have an agenda?

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/17/2012 12:14:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: redcoat

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ORIGINAL: parusski

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ORIGINAL: redcoat

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ORIGINAL: parusski

Yeah and the there is this breaking news:

Undetected Russian nuclear sub 'patrolled Gulf of Mexico'

http://www.rt.com/news/mexican-gulf-russian-sub-740/


The plot thickens

Pentagon denies reports of Russian Sub



Now, now. Read the American government statement carefully:

Pentagon denied on Thursday media reports that a Russian nuclear powered submarine cruised unnoticed for several weeks in the Gulf of Mexico near the shores of the United States.

“I don't know what that information was based on, but it was not correct,” Wendy Snyder, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon, said.

So, what have you learned. What word sticks out in that statement??




I understood the article perfectly. You have just repeated the POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. There was no UNNOTICED sub.

What I am suspicious about is the so-called Washington Free Beacon. Why did they post a story about an ‘undetected’ Russian sub? Do they have an agenda?



UUUHHH, just being sarcastic, no offense meant.

I love government speak.

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/17/2012 2:09:58 AM   
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True, that ofc raises the question what is inherently flawed. Guess time will tell, long after we are not here any more.

Rasmus


Like historians still theorize why the Roman Empire fell...



According to Ambrose, the Roman Empire fell apart because the rest of the world wore pants instead of togas.


Yes, and the downfall began when Brutus, wearing black market jeans, pulled out a revolver and shot Caesar.


Hoodie and baseball cap on sideways. Baggie jeans around his knees. Etc.



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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/17/2012 3:15:23 AM   
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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/17/2012 3:51:03 AM   
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This is more a move in my opinion to counter China than anyone else. Russia might be rich with oil money but their economy is still far to small to counter Europe and NATO. They might try power plays there but the reason the upgrades are for land and army but not navy point pretty clearly to an Chinese focus. IMHO. China is actively encouraging Chinese civilians to colonize Siberia. Russia wants to keep Siberian resources. IMHO if another major war is to happen it will be there, but right now China and Russia are fairly close because Russia has needed Chinese money and military orders to maintain their defensive infrastructure and China has needed Russian expertise. It reminds me eerily of the German Russian relationship in the years leading up to WW2 when Germany had the knowledge but couldn't use the equipment because of Versailles and Russia had the equipment but no modern combat knowledge.

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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/17/2012 4:00:38 AM   
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Not worried at all. Russia will be building 600 modern fighters and 1000 helos. Their helo force is ridiculously small and we have almost 200 F-22's alone, not to mention the vast numbers of JSF that will EVENTUALLY show up.

This is more a move in my opinion to counter China than anyone else. Russia might be rich with oil money but their economy is still far to small to counter Europe and NATO. They might try power plays there but the reason the upgrades are for air-force and army but not navy point pretty clearly to an Chinese focus. IMHO. China is actively encouraging Chinese civilians to colonize Siberia. Russia wants to keep Siberian resources. IMHO if another major war is to happen it will be there, but right now China and Russia are fairly close because Russia has needed Chinese money and military orders to maintain their defensive infrastructure and China has needed Russian expertise. It reminds me eerily of the German Russian relationship in the years leading up to WW2 when Germany had the knowledge but couldn't use the equipment because of Versailles and Russia had the equipment but no modern combat knowledge.


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RE: Russia has possible air force upgrades.. - 8/21/2012 12:39:33 AM   
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... It reminds me eerily of the German Russian relationship in the years leading up to WW2 when Germany had the knowledge but couldn't use the equipment because of Versailles and Russia had the equipment but no modern combat knowledge.


Hmmm.. remind us all again how that one turned out?

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