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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/21/2012 4:28:24 PM

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5/3/42

Singapore: Fell today. This frees up seven IJA divisions to "do their thing." I'll soon know if Steve's email was maskirovka or genuine by where he deploys those units.

Victory Points/Auto Victory Meter: The fall of Singers results in a sizeable harvest of points for squads destroyed. At this point, the VP differential should be maxing out, though Steve can still shoot for points a variety of ways. Japan: 23,216; Allies - 7,712. Steve would have to have 4:1 at any point in 1943 to achieve auto victory. He'll pick up more points, especially in China and perhaps in SoPac. However, by the autumn of 1942, the Allies are usually in a position to begin to whittle at the differential pretty effectively.

India: 7th Marines just arrived at Capetown and will head to India (rather than Oz, though I can change that if a crisis develops).

China: Japan is uber bombing Chungking. An IJ para assault at Lanchow failed, because the Allies un-evacuated the city. :)

North America: Quiet. Steve is useing a Glen to recon Los Angeles. With occasional 1/0 detection levels, do you think that would give him ship totals in the port? IE, do you think he'd get sufficient info to detect the sudden reduction of shipping from 125 to about 10?

Gilberts: I like this operation more for what it gives me than what it takes from Steve. With the KB near Perth, and with two Allied CL TFs stationed just south of Tarawa for months now, I can configure my approach to Tarawa and vicinity such that a big ambush will be detected. IE, it should be safe to approach. The Allies will probably first land at Tabituea and Abemama, with a smaller scouting force landing at Tarawa. If the latter looks tough, I'll retire. If it looks promising, we'll go in and then try to extract 32nd Div. promptly.

KB: Near Exmouth. I think a Perth invasion is incoming.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/21/2012 4:56:02 PM

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I wouldn't believe for a second that he would intentionally announce his switch to strategic defense.

He might contemplate such a thing in May of 42 but to announce it would be to give up many months of uncertainty for the Allies that would tend to keep Allied assets in reserve instead of on the attack.

Isnt this this a Scenario 2 game? Honestly, it's not really even plausible that he would want to go over to defense.

He probably told you that knowing that you will see through it and then, when he really does want to go over to defense and he tells you the same thing, you wont' believe him again and you will waste months waiting for more attacks which you will then be convinced are coming.

Of course, the second time could be a spoof too. Then you will absolutely be convinced that if he tires it a third time he would have to know you wouldn't possibly fall for it again so, more likely, he is actually planning to go over to defense the third time he says it adn he will be trying to goad you into premature attack....unless, of course, that is what he wants you to think that he thinks.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/21/2012 5:00:20 PM

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I'll buy that.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/21/2012 5:04:40 PM

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Sorry. I added a triple recursive double-dare maskirovka after your post. I doubt you will really fall for that and I meant no disrepect.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/21/2012 5:10:23 PM

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None taken. I think there is considerable merit to your thoughts.

I have a weakness. I am pretty good at detecting threats here there and everywhere, but I can be pretty bad at figuring out which are real and which are chimera. However, I tend to recognize that weakness and I think I'm decent at prioritizing and allowing for many possibilities. All this means I am decent but not great at this game. And I'm okay with that. :)

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 12:07:59 AM

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Okay, maybe just decent at the game, though I'd say you're better than decent...but you are one heck of an AAR writer and I know many appreciate that talent. Carry on, soldier Canoerebel.

My 2 pesos still stands about grabbing some of those N. Pacific high VP bases back in the fall, well before the winter ice closes the opportunity.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 1:53:58 AM

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Re: that 1/0 DL at LA - it will not tell him anything about ships in port. In my current game I have DLs of 3/7 on some enemy ports and although there is an anchor symbol representing ships in port, the mouseover says "Ships detected in port - 0".

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 3:00:06 AM

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Couple things.

First, don't pay any attention to PzH's e-mail. It's psy-ops. He's good at that.

He understands the engine very well, and has played a very good tactical game as always.

I think he has made 2 very serious strategic errors, primarily around commmitment of surface troops in the SRA. He sent alot of men to Luzon, at the expense of Singapore. This is an error. Clearning Singapore in May of 1942 is bad, and sets the IJA timetable back. He can finally use those troops elsewhere, but it's late in the day to start a major invasion.

Luzon, on the other hand, is harmless. Why make extra effort to take it? It's easy enough when the supplies run out, there is no reason to overpower the large formations there, when they will wither and die if you are patient.

Singapore is a port you need immediately. Manila is a port you can live without, and is not at all critical.

This was an error on his part. This, and maybe that whole Alaska thing, which I think sucked up alot of resource in a sideshow

An extra 3-4 divisions in India, while it wouldn't have conquered it, would have caused you alot more problems, or could have cleared Ceylon

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 10:49:18 AM

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I really like the move into the South Pacific at this point in the game - he's distracted with "spread-eagle" ventures across half the globe (from Alaska to India), and a move into some vitals (even if they are periphery vitals) could be a huge distraction & force him to commit the one resource he doesn't have an unlimited supply of - ships.

Plus, with working torpedoes - you can seed the line of advance that we would need to take & perhaps you'd start getting shots at his capital ships as he responds (he'll have to).

Good luck & stay committed!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 5:04:42 PM

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5/4/42

India: The main Allied carrier force will shortly put into Bombay to replenish, upgrade aircraft, etc. Small Allied armor units are beginning to close on the enemy perimiter to develop information about strength and position.

China: Tempoarily quiet as Japan continues to shift around in preparation for its next offensive.

North America: Quiet. The bulk of the Gilberts invasion force is ten hexes SSW of Los Angeles. Several advance TFs that left Hawaii a week ago with troops bound for a variety of islands are nearing their respective "Point Lucks," after which they'll close on their targets, which include Tabituea and Ndeni.

SoPac: A Kiwi brigade is aboard ships bound for Noumea. If it arrives safely, the AV there will be about 150.

Oz: The KB is not far west of Perth. I have no shipping in the area. I'm looking for an invasion, but we'll see.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 6:34:03 PM

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Updated units on what can be purchased from Kwangtung Army scenario one.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 8:01:05 PM

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I made a spreadsheet with every Japanese division listed. All 83 divisions are there(I think) even if some elements of the division don't arrive until much later in the war. I list the division, and I have a field listing the elements, and what date the last element arrives (making it possible to combine into a division). as another poster said, the Japanese have many very powerful infantry detachments and BDEs that are not divisions, but the division list should at least give you an idea of where the main bulk of his firepower is. The units are from scenario two, which I think is different from Vanilla or Ironman.

I also list the starting region, so you can sort that way to see if a division you spotted landing in India is originally from Manchukuo or something. Alternatively, it is useful for making sense of Sigint

If you're interested in the spreadhseet Dan (or anyone else), PM me, I'll send you a google docs link or the XLSx file as an attachment.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 8:08:00 PM

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Yes, pleas do send it (I'll also send an email). I have a long list of locations for Steve's various divisions, but I have no idea if my list is complete. Some divisions may well be missing from the list, so I need to attend to that.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 8:20:23 PM

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the amount of work put into this game by so many of the players is astonishing

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/22/2012 8:44:54 PM

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the amount of work put into this game by so many of the players is astonishing

All good Admirals and Generals have a competent and knowledgeable staff to provide them with decision making info. Then the Intel monkeys and FOW come along and muddy it all up ....
Seriously, the depth of the game from using all the switches and buttons to learning how to coordinate amphib landings and devising strategies promises to keep me busy for at least a decade. No wonder so many are devoted to mastering it

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 1:31:47 AM

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Better yet, post it in the war room.

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Yes, pleas do send it (I'll also send an email). I have a long list of locations for Steve's various divisions, but I have no idea if my list is complete. Some divisions may well be missing from the list, so I need to attend to that.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 9:39:23 AM

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Sorry, forum posting and PM rules don't let me attach xlsx files, I posted a link in the war room for a google docs version, if you want the xlsx version you'll have to pm me and exchange emails

Edited to say that i sent the email, forgot I had that particular account linked to the forum.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 10:48:29 AM

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Hi Canoerebel,

I just finished to read all the pages of your fantastic AAR. For a noob allied player like myself it is very instructive in learning the game mechanics.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 7:01:23 PM

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Hi guys, here's scenario 2 , day one -- artillery and armor that can be bought from Kwangtung Army.

There's many units that can be purchased here they are.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 7:27:53 PM

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Thanks, Sulu Sea, and thanks to jb123 for emailing the ocmplete list of divisions. Homework!

And I need some homework to keep me busy, for my opponent has fallen into one of those curious spells of non communication that sometimes besets a PBEM match.

Yesterday morning, I recieved this exciting dispatch from PzH:

"Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:06 am

"I think I can do a couple of turns today"

Ahah! thinks I! We will flip two or three turns during the course of the afternoon. I quickly send the turn back to him (at 11:58 a.m.). Then I wait for his next turn. And wait. And wait. And nothing comes the rest of the day. No turn. No email syaing, "Oops, sorry, I can't send you another."

Then I get this note this morning: "Sorry about yesterday, the plans were changed with short notice."

Okay, thanks for apologizing, but how about telling me if you're going to send a turn at any point today insttead of leaving me hanging?

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 8:15:40 PM

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Well, you can't blame him. An amphib landing in San Fran takes lots and lots of planning! ;)

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 8:20:07 PM

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Drat! I'd better expedite that "division analysis" homework to see just what he might have available!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/23/2012 11:46:21 PM

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Thanks, Sulu Sea, and thanks to jb123 for emailing the ocmplete list of divisions. Homework!

And I need some homework to keep me busy, for my opponent has fallen into one of those curious spells of non communication that sometimes besets a PBEM match.

Yesterday morning, I recieved this exciting dispatch from PzH:

"Wed, Aug 22, 2012 11:06 am

"I think I can do a couple of turns today"

Ahah! thinks I! We will flip two or three turns during the course of the afternoon. I quickly send the turn back to him (at 11:58 a.m.). Then I wait for his next turn. And wait. And wait. And nothing comes the rest of the day. No turn. No email syaing, "Oops, sorry, I can't send you another."

Then I get this note this morning: "Sorry about yesterday, the plans were changed with short notice."

Okay, thanks for apologizing, but how about telling me if you're going to send a turn at any point today insttead of leaving me hanging?

Your welcome.

On the surface that seems like poor ettiquette PH has a good reputation so hopefully it's an isolated incident resulting from events that prevented a change of plan email.

Sadly you probably could have used the spare time to do some housecleaning, focus on pilot training or a host of other things.

Best of luck going forward.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/24/2012 7:31:37 AM

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Thanks SuluSea.

I am lucky I can almost tell you when Koniu will send me a turn. Were like an old married couple. We have pretty good commo between us.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/27/2012 2:37:27 AM

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5/5/42 to 5/7/42

North America: Steve has bucket-loads of aircraft at Alliford Bay, Annette Island and Juneau. He executed a couple of raids vs. Vancouver (knocking out one PBY production point) and Prince Rupert (one ship repair point). The Allied airfield at Prince Rupert just went to level five. DD Sims is far into the Gulf of Alaska on picket duty, but might raid one of the Japanese ports in hopes of picking off some merchant vesels.

Pacific: The Gilberts Invasion Group is about 28 hexes south of Los Angelese and about 90 NE of Tarawa. All quiet thus far.

Oz: KB is just off Geraldton. I like knowing she's there.

India: American carriers and escorts are upgrading at Bombay. Both sides are kind of feeling around in the no-man's-land west of Calcutta. Allied engineers are building the airfields at Patna and ???? (forget the name, but it's not far west of Asenol).

China: No major changes, though I continue to expect a sudden Japanese offensive from a new vector soon.

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/27/2012 3:25:56 AM

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/27/2012 3:33:58 AM

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Steve seems to have dangled KB out there where you can see it - a most curious strategem. Could he be planning something else with the rest of the fleet far away from India - maybe an ambush with a large cruiser force or BBs?? Big amphib landing deep in your "Indian Country"?

Now a statement like that, BBfanboy, is sure to initiate heartburn, night sweats, worry warts. general fretting, hand-wringing and sleepless nights for Canoerebel. You should know better than to issue such a worrisome and foundless conjecture. Shame on you:).

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/27/2012 4:06:57 AM

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Steve seems to have dangled KB out there where you can see it - a most curious strategem. Could he be planning something else with the rest of the fleet far away from India - maybe an ambush with a large cruiser force or BBs?? Big amphib landing deep in your "Indian Country"?

Now a statement like that, BBfanboy, is sure to initiate heartburn, night sweats, worry warts. general fretting, hand-wringing�and�sleepless nights�for Canoerebel.� You should know better than to issue such a worrisome�and foundless conjecture.� Shame on you:).�

It could have been worse. When I first read your reply I thought you had written "...sure to initiate..." "...general farting..." Now that would been cause for alarm!

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/27/2012 4:37:31 AM

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I fart in your general direction!

Ahh, Monty Python...

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RE: War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A) - 8/27/2012 7:37:15 AM

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I fart in your general direction!

Ahh, Monty Python...

Now if we could just find some killer bunnies for CR to release on his opponent ....

As for the worry and cold sweats - CR usually has very good search plans to give warning of sneak attacks. My conjecture was intended to find out if there are any holes in his search areas he is concerned about, or his thoughts on why KB is demonstrating its position, and why there has not been much mention of IJN cruisers lately.

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